The Truth About The AIDS Virus

[Jose Collado]

The "truth" about the AIDS virus?

Truth?

So I'm guessing you have evidence of the allegations being made here? By evidence I don't mean YouTube videos and Wikipedia references.

The problem with stating things like "The Truth About The AIDS Virus" is you actually need some solid proof to back the "truth" part. Otherwise this topic should be renamed "The Alleged Truth About The AIDS Virus".

Man oh man

 

[Anubis]

5.) AIDS is a Syndrome, not a Disease as I constantly hear it being refered to as.

Is that an important distinction or just words? I'm not trying to be flippant, I'm really asking. I imagine someone dying of AIDS isn't correcting anybody so why does it matter?

A disease is a single condition that causes malaise in the body. A syndrome is a series of maladies and/or infections that cause a common set of symptoms. Acquired immunity deficiency syndrome creates an environment within the body that allows 30+ fairly rare conditions that would normally be fought off by a healthy immune system, to wear down and eventually kill the host.

That being said, this is going to seem like throwing a can of gasoline on a fire, but this IS a conspiracy thread, after all....

Let me start by saying I do not subscribe to the conspiracy mindset. This is not to say that I do not believe in any conspiracy theories, but I don't believe that everything is a conspiracy to the point many people think today. IMO, that many people would never be able to keep their mouths shut to keep it a secret, but I digress.

The so-called AIDS conspiracy is a bit of an interesting topic for me. As a child of the 80's, I grew up through the early days of the so-called "epidemic" where it seemed to be killing mainly homosexuals and IV drug users. As the decade progressed, we were told that HIV/AIDS did not just kill homosexuals and drug users, but middle-class white people like my family was. Hell, I remember the dark days of AIDS misinformation where it was rumoured that since HIV mutates every time it infects someone else, it was only a matter of time before it became airborne and we were all doomed. This culminated about 10 years ago when my father (reading an article on AIDS awareness) asked, "if AIDS is so prevelant in society and such a danger to us all, how come you don't know anyone who has died from it?"

We have all seen pictures of rail-thin AIDS patients infected with Kaposi's sarcoma on television and the 'net, but why not in real life? If someone had the equivalent of a modern-day plague, would you not think you would have seen *someone* with this disease? And if this disease really isn't killing off the middle class as fast as it supposedly wipes out Johannesburg slums, why is the government lying to us?

That, my friends, is the $1,000,000 question.

Dr. Kary Mullis won the Nobel Prize in chemistry in 1993, has publically stated on several occasions that there is no link between HIV infection and AIDS. Now, why would one of the world's best blood doctors make such a controversial claim? How can he say such a thing when millions of people in Africa are dying of this deadly plague?

To quote Dr. Mullis:
If HIV has been here all along and it can be passed from mother to child, wouldn't it make sense to test for the antibodies in the mothers of anyone who is positive to HIV, especially if that individual is not showing any signs of disease?... If an HIV-positive woman develops uterine cancer, for example, she is considered to have AIDS. If she is not HIV-positive, she simply has uterine cancer. An HIV-positive man with tuberculosis has AIDS; if he tests negative he simply has tuberculosis. If he lives in Kenya or Colombia, where the test for HIV antibodies is too expensive, he is simply presumed to have the antibodies and therefore AIDS, and therefore he can be treated in the World Health Organization's clinic. It's the only medical help available in some places.

Canadian journalist Barbara Amiel (wife if disgraced Canadian media baron Conrad Black) wrote an article for Canadian newsmagazine McClane's on this exact topic. The article (which I will repost when I get home) claims that the figures for AIDS infection are inflated. The question is not whether or not people in Africa are dying, the question is what are tehy dying from. In many places, there simply is no funding for an HIV test. As such, many health agencies are resorting to simply testing the level of antibodies in a given sample of blood. If the antibody count is below a certain threshold, the patient is assumed to be suffering from HIV infection or AIDS. Unfortunately, white blood counts can be lowered by many factors including parasitic infection, malnutrition, drug use and disease, and the tests they are using do not determine root cause of the patient's illness. Obviously, you can see the fundamental flaw in this tsting process, yet these inaccurate figures are used to determine the rate of HIV infection in Africa.

So what is the truth? Is AIDS really the epidemic they claim it to be? If so, why are some of the greatest blood doctors on Earth claiming that there is no link between HIV and AIDS?

Obviously, someone isn't telling the whole truth.

 

[Kieran]

There is no conspiracy behind Aids , All diseases develop for no particular reason" Such examples in our history is the black plague . It all depends on the environment variables of the given country in which the disease develops . ("Aids came from Africa") OF course There is a number of ways in which Aids can be transferred" One such way that was common place in Africa was sexual contact withount the use of protection' (BASCIALLY BECAUSE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DID NOt APPROVE PROTECTION BECOMES IT STOPS THE NATURAL PROCESS OF CONCIEVEING CHILDREN) First known case through study by scientists was in 1969 The person who had the disease originated from the republic of Haiti

 

[dissent]

I honestly feel that there is truth to this "statement".
Haven't read through the entire thing on this forum, but I have been taken pointers from Boyd Graves' work.

On radiorbit.com check out the podcasts featuring Boyd Graves.
He HAS investigated it ever since he was infected in the 80's.

Suppose it's true...

More info:

www.boydgraves.com
http://dragger2k.powweb.com/community/index.php?topic=1443.0
http://dragger2k.powweb.com/community/index.php?topic=2027.0
http://www.mikehagan.com/radiOrbit_Archives.htm (search for boyd graves podcasts)

I was skeptical at first too...

 

[dissent]

The History of the Development of AIDS
Chapter Excerpt from “State Origin: The Evidence of the Laboratory Birth of AIDS”
by Boyd E. Graves, J.D.
​

The true history of the origin of AIDS can be traced throughout the 20th Century and back to 1878. On April 29 of that year the United States passed a “FEDERAL QUARANTINE ACT”.

The United States began a significant effort to investigate “causes” of epidemic diseases. In 1887, the effort was enhanced with the mandate of the U.S. “LABORATORY OF HYGIENE”. This lab was run by Dr. Joseph J. Kinyoun, a deep rooted-racist, who served the eugenics movement with dedication.

Two years later, 1889, we were able to identify “mycoplasmas”, a transmissible agent, that is now found at the heart of human diseases, including (AIDS) HIV.

In 1893, we strengthened the Federal Quarantine Act and suddenly there was an explosion of polio.

In 1898, we knew we could use mycoplasma to cause epidemics, because we were able to do so in cattle, and we saw it in tobacco plants.

In 1899, the U.S. Congress began investigating “leprosy in the United States”.

In 1902, We organized a “Station for Experimental Evolution” and we were able to identify diseases of an ethnic nature.

In 1904, we used mycoplasma to cause an epidemic in horses.

In 1910, we used mycoplasma to cause an epidemic in fowl/birds.

In 1917, we formed the “Federation of the American Society for Experimental Biology” (FASEB).

In 1918, the influenza virus killed millions of unsuspecting. It was a flu virus modified with a bird mycoplasma for which human primates had no “acquired immunity”.

In 1921, lead eugenics philosopher, Betrand Russell, publicly supported the “necessity for “organized” plagues” against the Black population.

In 1931, we secretly tested African Americans and we tested AIDS in sheep.

In 1935, we learned we could crystallize the tobacco mycoplasma, and it would remain infectious.

In 1943, we officially began our bio-warfare program. Shortly thereafter, we were finding our way to New Guinea to study mycoplasma in humans.

In 1945, we witnessed the greatest influx of foreign scientists in history into the U.S. biological program. Operation Paperclip will live in infamy as one of the darkest programs of a twisted parallel government fixated on genocide.

In 1946, the United States Navy hired Dr. Earl Traub, a notorious racist biologist.
A May appropriations hearing confirms the existence of a “secret” biological weapon.

In 1948, we know that the United States confirmed the endorsement of “devising a scheme” in which to address the issue of overpopulation in certain racial groups. State Department’s George McKennan’s memo will forever illuminate the eugenics mendacity necessary for genocide of millions of innocent people.

In 1949, Dr. Bjorn Sigurdsson isolates the VISNA virus. Visna is man made and shares some “unique DNA” with HIV. See, Proceedings of the United States, NAS, Vol. 92, pp. 3283 - 7, (April 11, 1995).

In 1951, we now know our government conducted its first virus attack on African Americans. Crates in Pennsylvania were tainted to see how many Negro crate handlers in Virginia would acquire the placebo virus.. They were also experimentally infecting sheep and goats. According to author Eva Snead, they also held their first world conference on an AIDS-like virus.

In 1954, Dr. Bjorn Sigurdsson publishes his first paper on Visna virus and establishes himself as the “Grandfather of the AIDS virus.” He will encounter competition from Dr. Carlton Gajdusek.

In 1955, they were able to artificially assemble the tobacco mosaic virus. Mycoplasmas will forever be at the heart of the U.S. biological warfare program

In 1957, future U.S. president, Rep Gerald Ford and others gave the U.S. Pentagon permission to aggressively deploy offensive biological agents. There are no recorded cases of AIDS prior to the 1957 creation of “Special Operation-X.” (The SOX) program served as the immediate prototype program for the Special Virus program to begin in 1962.

By 1960, Nikita Kruschev had been let in on the biological weapon. His 1960 statement will long reflect the arrogance of the secret blend of communism and democracy. The two countries would go to a November 1972 agreement to cull the Black Population.

In 1961, scientist Haldor Thomar publishes that viruses cause cancer. In 1995, he and Carlton Gajdusek informed the National Academy of Sciences that “the study of visna in sheep would be the best test for candidate anti-HIV drugs.”

In 1962, under the cover of cancer research, the United States charts a path to commit premeditated murder, the “Special Virus” program begins on February 12th. Dr. Len Hayflick sets up a U.S. mycoplasma laboratory at Stanford University. Many believe the “Special Virus” program began in November 1961 with a Phizer contract.

Beginning in 1963 and for every year thereafter, the “Special Virus” program conducted annual progress reviews at Hershey Medical Center, Hershey, PA. The annual meetings are representative of the aggressive nature in which the United States pursued the development of AIDS.

In 1964, the United States Congress gave full support for the leukemia/lymphoma (AIDS) virus research.

In 1967, the National Academy of Sciences launched a full scale assault on Africa. The CIA (Technical Services Division) acknowledged its secret inoculator program.

In 1969, Fort Detrick told world scientists and the Pentagon asked for more money, they knew they could make AIDS. Nixon’s July 18 secret memo to Congress on “Overpopulation” serves as the start of the paper trail of the AIDS Holocaust.

In 1970, President Nixon signed PL91-213 and John D. Rockefeller, III became the “Population Czar.” Nixon’s August 10 National Security Memo leaves no doubt as to the genocidal nature of depopulation.

In 1971, Progress Report #8 is issued. The flowchart (pg. 61) will forever resolve the true laboratory birth origin of AIDS. Eventually the Special Virus program will issue 15 reports and over 20,000 scientific papers. The flowchart links every scientific paper, medical experiment and U.S. contract. The flowchart would remain “missing” until 1999. World scientists were stunned. The flowchart will gain in significance throughout the 21st Century. It is also clear the experiments conducted under Phase IV-A of the flowchart are our best route to better therapy and treatment for people living with HIV/AIDS. The first sixty pages of progress report #8 of the Special Virus program prove conclusively the specific goal of the program. By June 1977, the Special Virus program had produced 15, 000 gallons of AIDS. The AIDS virus was attached as complement to vaccines sent to Africa and Manhattan. However, because of the thoroughness of authors, like Dr. Robert E. Lee, we also learn the Stanford Mycoplasma Laboratory issues one of the first papers with AIDS in the title. “Viral Infections in Man Associated with Acquired Immunological Deficiency States.” The primary scientist, Dr. Thomas Merigan, was a “consultant” to the Special Virus program.

Progress Report # 8 at 104 - 106 proves Dr. Robert Gallo was secretly working on the development of AIDS with full support of the sector of the U.S. government that seeks to kill its citizens. Dr. Gallo can not explain why he excluded his role as a “project officer” for the Special Virus program from his biographical book. Dr. Gallo’s early work and discoveries will finally be viewed in relation to the flowchart. We now know where every experiment fits into the flowchart. The “research logic” is irrefutable evidence of a federal “Manhattan-style project” to develop a “contagious” cancer that “selectively” kills. Dr. Gallo’s 1971 paper is identical to his 1984 AIDS announcement.

Progress Report #8 at 273 - 286 proves we gave AIDS to monkeys. Since 1962, the United States and Dr. Robert Gallo have been inoculating monkeys and re-releasing them back into the wild. Thus, even government scientists are baffled that both HIV-1 and HIV-II would “suddenly emerge” from two distinct monkey ancestral relatives during the last 100 years. A 1999 Japanese study will ultimately prove the Man to Monkey origin of Monkey AIDS. The monkey experiments summary definitively proves Monkey AIDS is also man-made.

In 1972, the United States and the Soviet Union entered into a biological agreement that would signal the death knell for the Black Population. The 1972 agreement for collaboration and cooperation in the development of offensive biological agents is still U. S. policy.

In 1973, we find that world scientist, Garth Nicolson reports on his project, “Role of the Cell Surface in Escape From Immunological Surveillance.” His report is accompanied by seven published papers. Dr. Nicolson worked in conjunction with the Special Virus program from 1972 until 1978. Dr. Nicolson is considered by some to be Dr. Gallo’s “West Coast” counterpart. It is strongly held that because of Dr. Nicolson, Dr. Robert Gallo and Dr. Luc Montagnier would secretly meet in Southern California to coordinate what they would and would not say about the special virus development program.

In 1974, Furher Henry Kissinger releases his NSSM-200 (U.S. Plan to Address Overpopulation). It is the only issue of discussion at the World Population Conference in Bucharest, Romania.  The men in the shadows had won, the whole world agrees to secretly cull Africa’s population. Today it is Africa and other undesirables. Tomorrow it may be you.

In 1975, President Gerald Ford signs National Security Defense Memorandum #314. The United States implements the Kissinger NSSM-200.

In 1976, the United States issues Progress Report #13 of the Special Virus program. The report proves the United States had various international agreements with the Russians, Germans, British, French, Canadians and Japanese. The plot to kill Black people has wide international support. In March, the Special Virus began production of the AIDS virus, by June 1977, the program will have produced 15,000 gallons of AIDS. President Jimmy Carter allows for the continuation of the secret plan to cull the Black Population.

In 1977, Dr. Robert Gallo and the top Soviet Scientists meet to discuss the proliferation of the 15,000 gallons of AIDS. They attach AIDS as complement to the Small pox vaccine for Africa, and the “experimental” hepatitis B vaccine for Manhattan. According to authors June Goodfield and Alan Cantwell, it is Batch #751 that was administered in New York to thousands of innocent people. This government will never be able to repay the people for the social rape, humiliation and out right prejudice people with HIV/AIDS face on a daily basis. The men in the shadows of the AIDS curtain accurately calculated that you would not care if only Blacks and gays are dying. In fact you don’t care that nearly a half million Gulf War veterans are encumbered with something contagious. Soon there will be no more Black people and a confused military, older White people will start suddenly dying and you still won’t get it. Be here now for us, give us a chance to be there for you.

Suddenly, just as President Nixon had predicted, there was explosive death. On November 4, 1999, the U.S. White House announced,.... “Within a period as short as five years, all new infections of HIV in the United States will be African American....” At some point our experts must be allowed to begin the interface process of allowing the history of this virus program to count. It is ludicrous and preposterous to fail to review the U.S. virus program in which to elucidate the etiology of AIDS.

More of the history of the secret virus program can be found in the archives of Dr. John B. Moloney. A review of the files under Dr. Moloney’s name would further pinpoint additional dates and records consistent with one of the greatest hunts, capture and proliferation of disease in the history of the human race. We have found the missing link. It is the guts of the research logic of a federal program that seeks to kill. We have found a curtain of AIDS. We can identify some of the people who work in the shadows of the curtain. Dr. Robert Gallo and Dr. Garth Nicolson must lead us in review. In light of the attack mechanisms available in which to inhibit AIDS, it is time that not another person be stricken with this relic, synthetic mycoplasma chimera.

Help those of us who are still here to realize full and contributory lives. We are all one people.

On September 28, 1998 I filed suit against the United States for the “creation”, “production” and “proliferation” of AIDS. On November 7, 2000, the appeals court agreed with the lower court and held AIDS bioengineering as “frivolous.” The world continues to wait for the court to rule on the resubmitted issues. The court can not continue to simply brush aside our experts and the government’s flowchart.

Source: http://www.boydgraves.com/timeline/

 

[Anubis]

As promised here is Barbara Amiel's article written for Mclean's in Jan/Feb 2007:

ARE AIDS STATS REAL?
If we're to 'solve' the suffering in Africa, we need to know the truth

LAST WEEK, George W. Bush had a working lunch with rock star Bono. They discussed debt relief, AIDS, malaria and world trade. Whatever.. Senators Joseph Biden and Richard Lugar had done even better. They got Angelina Jolie. The UN's goodwill ambassador for refugees was in town for the Sept. 28 Global Business Coalition on HIV/ AIDS, where "solutions" for ending Third World poverty were debated. "I don't have an answer;' Miss Jolie (annual income three trillion) said modestly, "but it's hard for me to accept we can't do it." , With tsunamis, hurricanes, earthquakes and the much anticipated avian flu pandemic claiming government attention, the AIDS lobby is concerned they will get left behind. Living with the disease in Georgetown, D.C., is nightmarish enough. Millions of emaciated Africans with flies crawling across their barely focused eyes and a bit of hard ground as their "hospice" can only be compared to Dante's seventh circle.

Africa and AIDS are a mystery. You pour money in and matters get worse. For 20 years or so, this epidemic has been swallowing funds, medicine and attention and only getting bigger. Why? I don't see any convincing evidence that Africans are more sexually promiscuous than the sexually promiscuous West. They don't have more heroin addicts, probably far fewer. They may not have had condoms and safe-sex education 20 years ago, but once the pandemic was announced, the hills were alive with the sound' of Trojans.

A few people here and in Africa-scientists, journalists and observers-think it is because the statistics and the media reporting are false. AIDS in the sub-Sahara may not be as big a killer as it is made out to be. The American Spectator's Tom Bethell has been banging this drum, and on the face of it he makes a lot of sense. I want to know, because you can't help Africa until you have a proper diagnosis.

Bethell's case is straightforward. The World Health Organization organized a meeting in Bangui, Central African Republic, in 1985. At that meeting, the rules for diagnosing AIDS in Africa were established. Tick off two of the following major signs: weight loss of at least 10 per cent, a month's worth of chronic diarrhea or fever and add in just one minor sign such as a history of herpes zoster, generalized itchy skin rashes, chronic progressive or disseminated herpes virus infection. No HIV test needed.

One assumes that this methodology was used because it was impossible in 1985 to get HIV testing done in any meaningful way. Twenty years later, the only systematic HIV testing in Africa is done at prenatal clinics on pregnant women, which probably accounts for why statistics show HIV spreading among women. In 'fact, since the bacteriological diseases endemic in Africa can cause "false positives", those statistics aren't that helpful.

To bolster his case, Bethell cites the population figures of sub-Saharan Africa, where millions are estimated to be dying from AIDS, not to mention tribal slaughter and famine. The population of sub-Saharan Africa has increased by 70 per cent since 1985 and is the fastest-growing region in the world.

The motive behind the distortion of African AIDS reporting, if distortions there are, baffles me. Bethell sees it as political. Countries that once had some proper sanitation under colonial rule now give their citizens something akin to sewage to drink. Political correctness forbids laying the blame for this and resulting diseases on African independence. Heterosexual AIDS suits Western egalitarian fashions, I suppose. Meanwhile, pandemics in the Third World are building blocks for expanding public-health budgets at agencies like the World Health Organization. And, hell, it can't hurt to chin-wag with Angelina.

If you die prematurely, it is academic whether you die of AIDS or anyone of the diseases that mimic many of its symptoms and are caused by drinking foul water. If you are donating money for humanitarian reasons, you want to save lives, not worry about diagnostic niceties. Anyway, there's no doubt that AIDS is very much present in Africa. But if, like Bono, Bob Geldof, Angelina, all the senators, parliamentarians, governments, charities-and me-you have a genuine ambition to "solve" the problem of suffering in that blighted continent, you need to know the truth.

Possibly the explanations are straightforward. Paradoxical population growth in Africa may be due to hidden or unexpected factors. Possibly the truth is that African AIDS cases are considerably fewer than repotted. Just why, I couldn't say, except to note that the UN and its agencies like the WHO and UNAIDS, have rarely found a bandwagon they didn't hop on and an issue they didn't distort. Orphans, for example, are commonly defined as children who have lost both parents. In what seems to be a UNAIDS' affirmative orphanhood program, an African AIDS orphan is anyone under 18 who has lost one parent.

African governance is almost exclusively horrible: corrupt rulers fostering disease and death. Still, self-government is better than good government, and you can't justify any system but self-government-even one that saves more lives. But truth, whether about Africa or AIDS, is a precious commodity in itself. Monkeying with it, deliberately or negligently, as Angelina, Bono and Co. will eventually find, is not going to give them any "solution" at all.

 

[Astroboy]

Dr. Kary Mullis won the Nobel Prize in chemistry in 1993, has publically stated on several occasions that there is no link between HIV infection and AIDS. Now, why would one of the world's best blood doctors make such a controversial claim? How can he say such a thing when millions of people in Africa are dying of this deadly plague?

Why is there no mention of this outlandish claim on his website? http://www.karymullis.com

Maybe because he realized it was wrong and wants to back away from it?

He also doesn't believe Global Warming is caused by humans despite overwhelming evidence and scientific consensus to the contrary.

He also doesn't believe that CFC causes damage to the Ozone Layer again despite overwhelming evidence and scientific consensus to the contrary.

He also believes in Astrology.

He also believes he learned more by taking LSD than any courses he took in college. It's all there in his autobiography called [FONT=verdana, arial][FONT=verdana, arial] "Dancing Naked in the Mind Field. " [/FONT][/FONT]I guess he didn't need classes in Chemistry to win a Chemistry Nobel Prize.

Again this proves smart people can be dumb.

 

[Anubis]

Mullis made his controversial claim at a speech in 1994 the year after he won the Nobel Prize, and was labelled as one of the world's leading researchers in the field of biochemistry. I won't lie... His peers laughed him offstage when he made the claim that there was no proof of a link between HIV and AIDS. However, in all fairness, no on was able to provide said proof either.

As for global warming, there are just as many meteorologists and authorities on environmental change that also dispute the so-called evidence that the average temperature of the Earth's atmosphere is increasing (in fact, many of them say that evidence does not exist in the first place). Unfortunately, it is difficult to get funding to prove your theory when your hypothesis goes directly against the beliefs of the status quo. I personally think global warming is a load of BS myself. I guess that makes me "dumb" as well.

 

[Astroboy]

By 1960, Nikita Kruschev had been let in on the biological weapon. His 1960 statement will long reflect the arrogance of the secret blend of communism and democracy. The two countries would go to a November 1972 agreement to cull the Black Population.http://www.boydgraves.com/timeline/

Really? Wow, I guess the whole Cold War thing really was just a cover for the real agenda which was a genocidal war against Blacks. Why not just use nukes and create a false flag war in Africa? Why would the Russians care about culling the Black population, as opposed to Jews, since there aren't any in Russia or the former Soviet Republics.

Understand that Boyd Graves is an African American HIV positive individual who is out to prove that the White Man is out to get the Black Man. While I don't disagree entirely with this view the whole artificially created AIDS agenda against Blacks is ridiculous.

By the way, he believes Tetrasil is a one time use cure for AIDs. Tetrasil is a skin ointment made largely of Jojoba oil. Oki Doki. Tell that to all the HIV positive people of the world.

http://www.iiasa.ac.at/Research/LUC/Papers/gkh1/chap1.htm

According to statical projection by scientists:
Despite a projected increase in mortality due to AIDS, we cannot expect a significant slowing down of population growth in Africa. This continent will contribute 1.3 billion people to the world population between 1995 and the middle of the next century - almost twice as much as its current total population. Fertility is still so high in Sub-Saharan Africa that it can offset the effect of rising mortality.

In other words AIDS is failure as an instrument of racial culling if it ever was one. If one were to design a virus to kill lots of people why pick one that is difficult to spread compared to let's say an airborne disease or one that can be spread by contact alone?

 

[Astroboy]

As for global warming, there are just as many meteorologists and authorities on environmental change that also dispute the so-called evidence that the average temperature of the Earth's atmosphere is increasing (in fact, many of them say that evidence does not exist in the first place). Unfortunately, it is difficult to get funding to prove your theory when your hypothesis goes directly against the beliefs of the status quo. I personally think global warming is a load of BS myself. I guess that makes me "dumb" as well.

You're wrong. There is lots of funding trying to prove that Global warming doesn't exist. It's called the George Bush administration and the Republicans. If you'd been paying attention at the very lease you would have realized that they are the status quo not the scientists trying to prove it is a problem. I guess you really haven't done your homework.

You are not dumb, just extremely wrong.

 

[Experiencer7]

More guns, more meth, less education; it's a three part plan.

 

[Anubis]

You're wrong. There is lots of funding trying to prove that Global warming doesn't exist. It's called the George Bush administration and the Republicans. If you'd been paying attention at the very lease you would have realized that they are the status quo not the scientists trying to prove it is a problem. I guess you really haven't done your homework.

You are not dumb, just extremely wrong.

I don't want to hijack this thread discussing the myth of global warming. However, I would suggest watching this counter to Al "I invented the internet" Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth":

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+great+global+warming+swindle#

Seriously, I am supposed to believe the dire predictions of environmental weather disasters 10 to 20 years from now made by a group of people that cannot come close to telling me what the weather will be like in three days time with any accuracy whatsoever. That in itself is utterly absurd.

I can go further and explain that CO2 is a primary component of photosynthesis and by extension, an increase of CO2 should lead to an explosion of new plant growth keeping the atmospheric balance in check, but this should have been taught to you in high school.

I am more than willing to discuss the Global Warming Conspiracy with you, however this is my last post on the topic in this thread. If you want to continue to debate, please quote this post in a new thread, as not to hijack this one.

Cheers,

Anubis

 

[Astroboy]

I can go further and explain that CO2 is a primary component of photosynthesis and by extension, an increase of CO2 should lead to an explosion of new plant growth keeping the atmospheric balance in check, but this should have been taught to you in high school.

Whew! Thanks for clarifying this issue for me.

I am so relieved that the future of mankind requires science no more sophisticated than what I learned in high school.

You didn't happen to be a science advisor to Ronald Reagan by chance?

 

[Anubis]

I am so relieved that the future of mankind requires science no more sophisticated than what I learned in high school.

Seeing how CO2 is allegedly the root cause for this fantasy about the earth heating up, I would like to see someone explain to me why this excess carbon dioxide is not being used by the plant life on the planet, or how planting trees would not reverse this process. However, it is difficult to sell such a blatant tax grab to the public if they are aware of such a simple solution to the alleged problem. It also doesn't sound quite as dramatic as tornados, tsunamis and an uderwater Florida, either.

Dodging questions with lame attempts at sarcasm is typical of every debate I have ever had about this subject. It is quite telling when people cannot back up the claims they make with any kind of fact whatsoever. Where I come from, we call that "parroting".

"The future of Mankind" is only at stake if you believe the lies they are telling you about global warming. The math simply does not add up.

 

[digigeek]

...
Something that all people should be aware of, is that AIDS was created in 1974 at Fort Detrick, Maryland, which is now called NCI - The National Cancer Institute. Officially, it was called the Fort Detrick Biological Warfare Center, which was an integral part of the National Cancer Institute.

Incorrect. Fort Detrick is not "now called" NCI. NCI is part of Fort Detrick. It is merely located there. The biological research is still happening there. It is a fairly good-sized military installation.

http://www.detrick.army.mil/

Most conspiracy theories start to unravel with little factual errors like this. It suggests a lack of research and thoroughness. I am not a major skeptic, but I do insist on factual information.

 

[Astroboy]

Seeing how CO2 is allegedly the root cause for this fantasy about the earth heating up, I would like to see someone explain to me why this excess carbon dioxide is not being used by the plant life on the planet, or how planting trees would not reverse this process. However, it is difficult to sell such a blatant tax grab to the public if they are aware of such a simple solution to the alleged problem. It also doesn't sound quite as dramatic as tornados, tsunamis and an uderwater Florida, either.

Dodging questions with lame attempts at sarcasm is typical of every debate I have ever had about this subject. It is quite telling when people cannot back up the claims they make with any kind of fact whatsoever. Where I come from, we call that "parroting".

"The future of Mankind" is only at stake if you believe the lies they are telling you about global warming. The math simply does not add up.

The only thing lame here is your layman's understanding of planetary weather systems. Your "just plant more trees" solution is laughable. We have some thing call North and South Poles. The ice there plays an important part in regulating temperatures by reflecting the suns radiation and controlling the ocean's temperatures. But this is far more sophisticated than high school science so it is beyond your explanation of things.

The debate that is happening now is not whether global warming is happening. It is. It is how much man's impact is having and to the degree in which this will effect the planet in the future. Apparently you've taken a completely different track in the debate by saying that trees will take care of everything.

If you insist that planting trees is the only thing that needs to be done then I do not need to discuss this further as it is apparent you haven't done the most basic research on this subject and are just trolling. You are welcome to start a new thread entitled "The Global Warming Myth and How Trees Will Save Us". I'm done with this subject here.

Now let get back to something slightly less ridiculous like man-made AIDS.

 

[Anubis]

The only thing lame here is your layman's understanding of planetary weather systems.

Interesting... If such a theory did in fact exist, why does every meterologist at The Weather Network agree that global warming is a complete falsehood (before you ask, a good friend of mine was a broadcast engineer there, and this was a regular topic of conversation). The fact remains that the Earth's average temperature has not changed in eight years, which is why the eco-nazis have started calling it "climate change" as opposed to "global warming". Why do you think that is?

You claimed in an earlier post that the status quo does not blieve that global warming exists, so if it such an easy theory to prove, why hasn't the scientific community at large been won over by said proof? Why is it that qualified meterologists state that weather patterns and trends are far too chaotic to understand or predict, yet you state that anyone who does not concur that this is happening is "lame".

I have heard these claims that the polar ice caps are allegedly receding and that polar bears are allegedly going extinct as a result. Unfortunately, such claims directly contradict the experience of the people who live in these areas. On a recent trip to Newfoundland's east coast, I was told they have had more pack ice (not to be confused with the sacred glacial ice) in the last two years than they have had in the last 20. In fact, there was enough pack ice present that they had 4 polar bears on the island that certainly didn't swim there. I have pictures of the one on the east coast if you want to see them. How can this be when this ice is allegedly next to non-existant due to a rise in global temperatures, and in direct contradiction of what we have been told about the world's polar regions? How can it be possible that more sea water is freezing every year when the atmosphere is allegedly warming up?

I won't begin to explain (once again) that CO2 is used by plants as food during photosynthesis, that a single tree can consume 48 lbs of CO2 a year, that CO2 is the gas that the purpetrators of this myth DIRECTLY attribute to the (alleged) rise in the Earth's temperature, nor that planting enough trees can (theoretically) reduce the ambient CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere. It is obvious at this point you believe that your superior intellect has a better grasp on this than any scientific source I have, or can, cite as proof.

http://www.garagetv.be/video-galeri..._Global_Warming_Swindle_Documentary_Film.aspx

http://www.lavoisier.com.au/papers/articles/BobCarterUSSenate2006-2.pdf

http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/farabee/BIOBK/BioBookPS.html

 

[Astroboy]

Anubis,

Just start a new conspiracy thread and I'll address each one of your points directly. Let's not bore the man-made AIDS people.

 

[Astroboy]

Mullis made his controversial claim at a speech in 1994 the year after he won the Nobel Prize, and was labelled as one of the world's leading researchers in the field of biochemistry. I won't lie... His peers laughed him offstage when he made the claim that there was no proof of a link between HIV and AIDS. However, in all fairness, no on was able to provide said proof either.

Let's get back on track here.

Again I ask, why does Mullis not say anywhere on his site that HIV does not cause AIDS? Why has he not submitted research papers for peer review on an alternate theory? Do you have a quote or written piece from him restating this position that is not 14 years old?

Like a lot of other previous AIDS deniers he has probably backed away from his position like former deniers Joseph Sonnabend and Walter Gilbert who have changed there minds. Why? Because of the effectiveness of antiretroviral drugs. Now why would we have drugs that are effective in saving the lives of HIV positive patients if we didn't understand the link between HIV and AIDS. Because we understand how the HIV virus works to cause AIDS.

Here are several sources explanating of how it works:

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/howhiv.htm
http://www.thebody.com/index/whatis/hiv_illustrations.html
http://www.albany.edu/sph/AIDS/aids101_1.html

I could go on and on forever with sources but you get the idea.

The discovery of the link between the HIV virus and AIDS was a simultaneous accomplishment by an American researcher, Robert Charles Gallo, and a French team. Look it up.

Mullins mistake is that he couldn't get a simple answer when he asked around to the original source of research linking HIV and AIDS because their were in fact multiple sources.

The weird and tragic thing is that unlike most conspiracy theories which are largely harmless and don't ruin people's lives AIDS deniers actually causes people to die unnecessarily. They convince people that HIV does not pose a danger and that the drugs that may help them are dangerous. Many AIDS deniers who were HIV positive are now dead and their supporters still blame their deaths on other factors other than HIV. AIDS deniers who seek the latest treatment of antiretroviral drugs are often ostracized by their peers.

This makes me very sad and angry. The more I look into this the more I feel AIDS deniers are the most dangerous of all conspiracy minded people.

Gene and David, I would like to ask an extraordinary request of both of you. Please ban all future posts of anything supporting the denial of HIV as a source of AIDS. I wish I could keep an open mind about this but spreading this nonsense is highly dangerous and far more harmful than allowing a Billy Meier supporter on the forum.

 

[Anubis]

I understand your position as far as HIV/AIDS deniers goes. However, I was simply trying to illustrate that the figures in regards to HIV infection worldwide are skewed based on the testing methods and the socio-political agenda of some groups that lobby for funding for the disease. Additionally, AIDS simply does not kill enough people in North America (or more specifically, Canada) to justify the funding demanded for HIV/AIDS related research. Here is the stats for deaths caused by influenza vs. AIDS in Canada in the 1990s:

From: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17306052

The number of deaths attributable to influenza is believed to be considerably higher than the number certified by vital statistics registration as due to influenza. Weekly mortality data for Canada from the 1989/1990 to the 1998/1999 influenza seasons were analysed by cause of death, age group, and place of death to estimate the impact of influenza on mortality. A Poisson regression model was found to accurately predict all-cause, as well as cause-specific mortality, as a function of influenza-certified deaths, after controlling for seasonality, and trend. Influenza-attributable deaths were calculated as predicted less baseline-predicted deaths. In summary, throughout the 1990s there were on average just under 4000 deaths attributable to influenza annually (for an influenza-attributable mortality rate of 13/100,000 persons), varying from no detectable excess mortality for the 1990/1991 influenza season, to 6000-8000 influenza-attributable deaths for the more severe influenza seasons of 1997/1998 and 1998/1999.

By contrast, between the years 2000-2004, there were a total of 749 deaths attributed to AIDS, with an average of 150 per year. (source: HIV and AIDS in Canada, Public Heath Agency of Canada, 2005).

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/aids-sida/haic-vsac1204/pdf/april_2005.pdf

IMHO, an underestimated average of 4000 deaths per year from influenza infection, compared to an average of 150 deaths per year from complications derived from AIDS should mean that a lot more money should be slotted to fund further influenza vaccinations, rather than AIDS research. Unfortunately, due to the fearmongering by various special interest groups, people fear AIDS is more likely to kill them than the flu, which is obviously an incorrect assumption. Additionally, I could also list the annual mortality rate for diabetes as well (which is considerable higher than influenza), but I believe you get my point.

This is why I question the various "doomsday prophecies" circulating in the media. Once these issues become political agendas, they suffer the same twisting of factual information that all politics contain by their very nature.