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The Ummo Affair, don't classify it as a hoax too quickly

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It would be interesting to have more than a sentence with the word "crap" in a comment. Now I know someone with such a statment only knows limited amount about this case, you probably read about it on wikipedia and made an opinion about it in a hurry.

There are 2 debunking theories that I know of, now I wonder which one you bought into?

1: Jose Luis Jordan Pena pretending he sent the letters himself. Are you aware that the scientific content of those letter could only have been written by a scientist? There are many aspect in this complex case that one person only could not have done. This is the job of a team of people with a lot of resources (sending letters from all over the world, access to a vocoder in the 60's, hacking into a computer which is not connected to internet).

2: KGB, except that USSR started falling apart in 1990, and letters were still arriving in 1995. Why would the ex-KGB continue sending letters when their country is falling apart. Don't you think they would have bigger fish to fry?

Now I am not saying those letters can only be extra terrestrial in nature. But the Ummo case hasn't been resolved as you seem to believe. This is a very complex case, that lasted for more than 30 years.
There is one alternative explanation I just can't dissmiss.

Who would have the mean and motives to send letters pretending to be ET, with an overall coherence in all letters, with avanced scientific content, with access to a vocoder in the 1960's to modify their voice on the phone (tape that has been analysed), with the technology to spy on a computer that is NOT EVER connected to the internet in any way (JP Petit could write questions on his journal on his Mac and get answers in the next letter sent by the so called Ummites).

Some US agencies would have the mean to create such an eloborate hoax. But why?
I read on many consipiracy site that in order to control the american people, the US governement controls with fear (which is so obvious when you look at how the US is working right now). First the cold war, then terrorist, (include a little economical catastrophy to maintain the fear) and the next one is to stage a alien attack.
If this is true, the plan have been thought through a long time ago, say the 1950's... what better way to convince everyone that there are alien attacking other than having letter sent by so called ET since the 50's...

This theory is a little far fetch, I'll give you that? But the only other alternative I can think of is that those letters were really sent by alien living on earth...
That is why I think this case is still worth keeping in mind and I attach links about it on the paracast forums.
 
You are very good at very short answers, l would be curious to see something a little more elaborate.
Since you have known this case since you were a child, you must know very well what I am talking about, yet you haven't answered any point mentioned in my previous message.
You apparently read something that explained all the weird parts of this case and I can't believe that Jose Luis Jordan Pena confession would convince you and as I explained the KGB theory doesn't make sense.
Why is this case "crap", is there another more recent explanation that I don't know about?
 
I found the message recorded of a so called Ummite that I was mentionning earlier
http://www.ummo-sciences.org/enregistrement.mp3

JP Petit got it analysed in the laboratory of phonetics of his University in Aix-en-Provance. They made a sonograme.
This is the conclusion of the specialist in charge of this analysis:

- This is not a human voice. Look at the frequencies, they are quite stable in time. We call it "recto tono". The frequency spectrum is quite flexible, and a man can't keep stable frequencies when he pronounces vowels. Here, this constancy is very remarkable.

Of course, when he says not human voice... it could be a human talking through a vocoder. Did vocoder existed in 1969 ( I finally found the exact date for this)

I would be curious to have someone else analyse this recording and see if they come to the same conclusion
 
Aaron LeClair said:
Throw in a confession on top of that.

Here's some info. on this Ummo business.
Ummo
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Reading dragons post further up the page I got a real sense of a Meier vibe.

The old "we have a recording that experts said could not have been a human voice blah blah blah", we all know how much truth is associated with statements like that from the Meier camp.

Its just not convincing at all.
 
WOW, I came to this forum thinking that I could have an educated conversation with intelligent people on a subject that I think is still of interest and I get THAT?

GSB, you've been so traumatized by Meier that you see Meier vibes everywhere? Meier is a moron that created a cult in order to have fame and make money. Me on the other hand, I don't have a website on the subject, I don't sell anything on the subject, I am not part of Ummo-science.org, I don't personnaly know Jean Pierre Petit and I think all those sect created based on the Ummo case is completely ridiculous. I am a person interested in the whole UFO that stumbled on a book written by Jean Pierre Petit (former-research director at the CNRS) years ago and got intrigued by the UMMO affair.
I didn't say "we have a tape" but I said, "I found this recording on the net". I was hoping that someone that knows how to analyse a voice could analyse this recording and tell me if they find the same conclusion as what the University of Aix en Provence found.
I didn't say "Ummites are Extra terrestrial", but I was just exploring another explanation since the official debunking still has a lot of holes, not completely exluding the ET option, but NOT saying that Ummites are ET for sure....
So I don't know where you got the Meier vibe... Cause Meier is pretty clear on that... he met aliens and still talks to them....right?

I was just trying to start a debate on this affair because there are still many loose ends around the whole thing. I guess I knocked on the wrong door.
 
Your first sentence talks about your expectation of finding intelligence here. Well, I submit that any intelligent person is not going to think too highly of a contactee case where the story starts out with people being contacted by an intelligent non-human race through the mail.

With that said, I will confess that I havent read the entire thing. Actually I stopped reading after the "contacted through the mail" business.

Maybe I should take the time to read it, but I do trust Aarons assessment.
 
dragon376 said:
I have found this text, apparently written by JP Petit:
UFOacontact from ummo
the ummo-case, history and life on .

where he goes in depth on this ummo story, what happened to him, etc...
Hoax or not, this text will make you think twice before classifying it as a hoax immediately.
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I dont know you personally dude, and i dont wish to get into a slagging match.But the details of the story seem made up.Could i be wrong? maybe.

it probably is a dead case this one Dragon.
Maybe you have other cases that are more compelling?:)
 
Aaron that apparently knows the case doesn't care about the loose ends, and some other like GSB runs as soon as he reads "contacted through the mail". But I guess I can't blame you it is a pretty wierd story. I am still trying to make up my mind about it because I gave it a chance.
Acctually, I suggested to David and Gene to have JP Petit as a guest on the paracast since he recieved letters after Pena's confession. I know that they would ask the tough question that other host don't ask. This story would either fall apart like the one we shall not mention, or it would thicken the plot...

Anyway, if I stumble on something more "compeling" I'll send it this way...
 
GSB said:
Reading dragons post further up the page I got a real sense of a Meier vibe.

The old "we have a recording that experts said could not have been a human voice blah blah blah", we all know how much truth is associated with statements like that from the Meier camp.

Its just not convincing at all.
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Sorry mate but that is just such a poor bit of reasoning. What's this got to do with Meier? Nothing at all.

What it comes down to are our rigid perceptions of how we think ETs should contact us. Why is it "patently absurd" for them to write a letter when letter writing was one of the primary forms of human communication?

Rich
 
rpjmartin said:
Sorry mate but that is just such a poor bit of reasoning. What's this got to do with Meier? Nothing at all.

What it comes down to are our rigid perceptions of how we think ETs should contact us. Why is it "patently absurd" for them to write a letter when letter writing was one of the primary forms of human communication?

Rich
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I know what you are saying dude. But was is going on, is not human. E.T writeing letters seems absurd in my view.I Think if they want to get in contact, you will know about it, and it wont be through a letter my friend!:)
 
OK the skeptics, you presented your side of the story with your strongest arguments which are mainly: "I have a Meier vibe, E.T writting letter is absurd and there is a confession". I thank you for sharing and nothing obligates you to keep looking at my posts...
Now for the others, I wish to add:
When 100's of people sees a huge triangle craft over Phoenix and the governement only concentrate on the light later that night talking about flares, most of us are not convinced with the the official explanation because there are enough information to make us doubt. It doesn't mean that we know it was a UFO, we just wonder.
When 100's of people see a object poke a hole in the cloud cover over O'Hare and the official story talks about whether phenomena, we also wonder.
When 100's of people tell a similar story about being abducted and missing hours that they can't explain, we do wonder.
So when Pena officially confesses that he was sending the letters from the beginning but doesn't explain how he could include scientific information that only a scientist could have come up with, I wonder. Just like I wonder about all the UFO sightings, and all the official claims from the governements.
For all I know, this confession could very well be disinformation which have been regularly part of the Ummite affair. If it was disinformation, just look at the previous couple of posts, you can see for yourself, it worked...
So for those that didn't make up their mind yet, try to read more about this case and you will see there are some missing link, stuff that just don't add up.
 
rpjmartin said:
Sorry mate but that is just such a poor bit of reasoning. What's this got to do with Meier? Nothing at all.

What it comes down to are our rigid perceptions of how we think ETs should contact us. Why is it "patently absurd" for them to write a letter when letter writing was one of the primary forms of human communication?

Rich
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Forgetting my opinion that the idea of ETs engaging in a postal campaign to contact certain Humans (which I still find BEYOND absurd), I think my reasoning is perfectly valid.

Whats this got to do with Meier? Michael Horn has often talked about the so called recording of the beam ship. He has had this analysed and apparently the experts at some audio facility have declared that there is no way this sound could have been produced using a synth that would have been available at the time.

That was the comparison I was making with dragons audio 'evidence'.
 
GSB said:
Whats this got to do with Meier? Michael Horn has often talked about the so called recording of the beam ship. He has had this analysed and apparently the experts at some audio facility have declared that there is no way this sound could have been produced using a synth that would have been available at the time.
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Well that just confirms that you don't read before replying
Because I said
Of course, when he says not human voice... it could be a human talking through a vocoder.
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hence using a synth.
And I am not claiming that the analysis is correct, I am asking for a counter expertise
I would be curious to have someone else analyse this recording and see if they come to the same conclusion
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There are some really weird things about the Ummo stuff.

Mostly because when I was a kid, from time we'd get these weird phone calls too.

Seriously.
 
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