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For me it would be.

1. Sylvia Browne (I really hate this woman)
2. Rael
2. Sean David Morton (I admit he had me fooled with his charisma)
4. Billy Meier (Even though he's a fake, I do get a kick out of the pictures)
5. Michael Horn (Great speaker. What a shame to waste it on dishonest acts)

OK now it's your turn.
 
It can't be narrowed down to 5. Here's some as they enter my mind, in no certain order, and I'll try and stop at 5.

Morten, Dames, S.Brown, "Johnathan Reed", Santilli.


I actually think Horn is sincere. Sincerely wrong, but sincere like a zealot. I don't think he is selling or endorsing what he considers bunk. Only other person I know of that thinks the same as me is Paul Kimball, so I know I'm kind of a minority with that view. Many I respect think he's consciously involved in something he knows is bunk. I don't think he's that clever and believes to an extent the BM crap. BM is a con, but I am not aware of him making loads of money or really going out of his way to be on tv etc.

Crap, hard to believe Korff didn't come to mind first. Oh well, maybe next time.
 
These may not be the biggest cons or loonies in the game, but they're the ones who bother me the most.

Rick Doty:

This jerk dumped an enormous amount of disinformation into the UFO research community sometime in the early 80s. He's partly responsible for the Bennewitz tragedy, probably for starting the MJ12 affair, that entire stupid mythology about Dulce, NM, and the much hated Project Serpo. Probably much more than that. His phony-baloney nonsense permiates a vast amount of UFOlogy these days. He caused Stan Friedman, a wonderful individual, at least publicly, to go bonkers about the MJ12 fiasco. He deserves a nasty dirty-sanchez from all of the dedicated people whose good names he has besmirched.

Sean Morton:

I don't like anyone who pretends to be psychic. This asshole takes advantage of weak, defenseless, and desperate people for money. What a dick.

Richard C. Hoagland:

My hate for him and the Enterprise Mission is a fever that burns with the fire of a thousand suns. He is the very standard of banality and mediocrity in paranormal reserach these days.

Rael

I don't like people who start religions, even if he only does it to get laid by superfoxy Playboy bunnies. What an asshole.

Philip Klass

For his informed tone of superiority combined with his extremely stupid ideas about UFOs.

Why am I always so nasty? I don't like spewing so much hate like that. Therefore I'll throw in my top five favorite paranormal researchers. Forgive me if they're all UFO related. I'm still breaking out into this whole field. Why, just a year or two ago, I was a good little academic twit who dismissed all of this stuff without ever having researched any of it.

Peter A. Sturrock

His "The UFO Enigma" should be required reading for all astronomers and suchlike, if for no other reason than that he clearly has an excellent grasp on how and why science should be conducted.

Richard Dolan

I like his book a lot.

Richard Hall

He is a terrific writer, researcher, and an all around swell gentleman.

Stanton Friedman

His work kindled my interest in the subject.

David Jacobs

I like the book he wrote way back when, 75 or so, for his PhD thesis. "UFO Controversy in America."

Moses

For following a cloud throughout the desert for 40 years and never wavering.
 
Chuckleberryfinn said:
Peter A. Sturrock

His "The UFO Enigma" should be required reading for all astronomers and suchlike, if for no other reason than that he clearly has an excellent grasp on how and why science should be conducted.
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Thanks for the recommendation, I haven't read that book but it sounds like something I'd really enjoy.

Chuckleberryfinn said:
Moses

For following a cloud throughout the desert for 40 years and never wavering.
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HA! I completely agree.
 
Here's mine in no particular order:

1. Sean David Morton
Out and out liar and a fraud

2. Ed Dames
Egomanic, jumped up prick

3. Sylvia Browne
Did us all a favour and outted herself while on the air with Snoory.

4. Michael Horn and Billy No Mates
We all know why.

5. John Lear
Mr No Evidence
 
Number One is Doty... it's criminal the stuff he's done.

in no other particular order, they are:

Alfred Webre - Because he insists the Towers fell on 9/11 due to the U.S. government's incinerating them with alien beam technology. In other words, he's insane.

Stephen Greer - Because he's Stephen Greer and some of my friends believe his BS. But really, how do you trust anyone who refuses to use a hand-held mic because he needs to gesticulate like an infomercial host?

Nancy Burson - Granted, she's conning herself but she photographs orbs and has a small Virgin Mary statue that dances in her bathroom, which is the location of a vortex through which the light beings who create crop circles step to give her messages. Messages she channels. Messages like, "Tell Jeremy his biggest problem in life is that he needs to learn to laugh more."

I laughed more. She turned on "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun." The statue didn't dance. I laughed more again.

The Clueless One - Because he came to the Paracast forums in response to a thread whining that he sucked and somehow won the hearts and minds of the people on there with the same lack of evidence and annoying laugh he began with.
 
1. Steven Greer, the UFO Gadfly and Mothra aficionado who tries to horn into every sighting and incident.

2. John Lear, condescending old man who thinks the ability to fly airplanes while color blind makes him an authority on everything.

3. Above Top Secret, whose motto of Denying Ignorance is the exact opposite of what they do.

4. Richard Hoagland, the hype-meister who turned a sandbox on Mars into a regular paycheck.

5. Dan Burisch, the bankrupt homemaker and parole officer who can be a casino guard, get a PhD (or is it a Doctor of Science?) while simultaneously working for Area 51.
 
Oh man I forgot about Burisch. Horn/Meier is too cliched at this point. Like the Lennon/McCartney of snake oil sales.
 
Have to agree with most of the people named here so far. Burisch is just the newest clown with the newest twist. Reading his devotees is like trying to keep up with a sappy soap opera. It's all about melodrama, but it even fails at that. Phew!

I'm still wondering what people think of Timothy Good, however.

http://www.timothygood.co.uk/

I found Above Top Secret, his book and not related to the internet site, quite interesting though I haven't followed up with any of his writing since that time. After hearing him on a recent Coast interview, I'm not so sure I want to take the time because, though he didn't necessarily support any researcher on the lists in this thread, he sounded rather supportive of a lot of theories I haven't been able to give much credence to so far. Some I have, but he seemed all over the place.

So, anyone?
 
valiens said:
Oh man I forgot about Burisch. Horn/Meier is too cliched at this point. Like the Lennon/McCartney of snake oil sales.
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I thought of Burisch, but didn't want to take up two slots with him. I didn't want to mention him without his wife.

I'm surprised no one mentioned Lazar yet. Many consider him a con.

I really need to say I really really HATE Santilli. There, I feel a little better. The nerve of that piece of shit. IF you're going to lie a lot, at least come up with good ones, damn.
 
Schuyler said:
1. Steven Greer, the UFO Gadfly and Mothra aficionado who tries to horn into every sighting and incident.

2. John Lear, condescending old man who thinks the ability to fly airplanes while color blind makes him an authority on everything.

3. Above Top Secret, whose motto of Denying Ignorance is the exact opposite of what they do.

4. Richard Hoagland, the hype-meister who turned a sandbox on Mars into a regular paycheck.

5. Dan Burisch, the bankrupt homemaker and parole officer who can be a casino guard, get a PhD (or is it a Doctor of Science?) while simultaneously working for Area 51.
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ATS has the dumbest posters of any site I've been on. I'm in total shock of the woowoos there. They take it to a new level. One of the reasons I hang here instead.
 
I think ATS need to get rid of John Lear. It would increase their credibilty rating. The guy is not happy having his own bullshit section, he likes to hijack the other threads with his inane rubbish.

He hijacked the Meier thread and was on the side of Horn, telling everyone the case was true, the pics and vids were real, even the ray gun pics and the wedding cake photo. When I pointed out he was making himself look more stupid than he already was I got suspended for a while.
 
Aspie said:
I think ATS need to get rid of John Lear. It would increase their credibilty rating. The guy is not happy having his own bullshit section, he likes to hijack the other threads with his inane rubbish.

He hijacked the Meier thread and was on the side of Horn, telling everyone the case was true, the pics and vids were real, even the ray gun pics and the wedding cake photo. When I pointed out he was making himself look more stupid than he already was I got suspended for a while.
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Interesting. I never read Lear's stuff, so I missed that one.

I was over at ATS last week and saw a thread where many people seemed to think the Alien Interview was real..... :confused:
 
I just became aware that there was another SERPO release recently. (I thought it was dead back in March or so, and I watched Bill Ryan give what certainly appeared to be a "postmortem" interview -- of sorts -- on video.) I'm tempted to name anyone else associated with SERPO (Doty has already been nominated here), but there are even worse offenders than that crowd.

I think if we had the sense as a community to ignore these frauds, they'd go away.

Thanks to Gene and David for being two of the few candles in a very dark room.

Here's to sense.
 
Poi said:
I'm still wondering what people think of Timothy Good, however.

So, anyone?
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His new book is finally shipping after a 6 month delay. So will hold fire until we can get hold of it. I thought his last book was right up here with 'UFOs and the National Security State' as a good read. Good's new book is "Need to Know: UFOs, the Military, and Intelligence"
 
DanielBrenton said:
I just became aware that there was another SERPO release recently. (I thought it was dead back in March or so, and I watched Bill Ryan give what certainly appeared to be a "postmortem" interview -- of sorts -- on video.) I'm tempted to name anyone else associated with SERPO (Doty has already been nominated here), but there are even worse offenders than that crowd.

I think if we had the sense as a community to ignore these frauds, they'd go away.

Thanks to Gene and David for being two of the few candles in a very dark room.

Here's to sense.
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I worry that ignoring them will make them louder.
 
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