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Hello All,

Just wondered if any of us all had a final opinion on what if anything happened to Travis Walton? It is probably the most vetted fourth kind contact in modern times. What say you paracasters?
 
I believe Mr. Walton had a true experience. Whether that be an experience with extraterrestrials or something else, I have no idea...yet his story, his companion's stories, and the actual events documented add up to an extraordinary experience. I read his book years ago, thought the film was ok, but really enjoyed SYFY's Paranormal Witness episode with his story earlier this year. I think it is most certainly a bona fide UFOlogical classic.
 
Anything is possible. But when you have so many people involved in the stunt, there is always a weak link. These young men had EveryOne breathing down their necks for truth, even after Walton showed up. If there is anything I personally question, it's the length of time he was missing. Generally speaking, an abductee is missing for maybe several hours- not several days.
If hoax is the answer, I just find it hard to believe nobody from his camp hasn't cracked after all these years. Lord knows Klass tried everything in his power(wallet$) to get to what he might have believed to be the weak link.
 
Stagger Lee said:
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If hoax is the answer, I just find it hard to believe nobody from his camp hasn't cracked after all these years. Lord knows Klass tried everything in his power(wallet$) to get to what he might have believed to be the weak link.
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Yea, I see your point. I commented on it here, though it's just speculation on my part, since there's no real documentation to latch on to: Kathleen Marden and Denise Stoner | Page 4 | The Paracast Community Forums

OP, check out that thread, there's already a fair amount of chatter about the Walton case in that thread.
 
I always come back to the lie detector. The very experienced operators said that they had no doubt the witnesses sincerely believed they saw a lighted disc hovering in the trees and that Travis was hit by some kind of beam.

Skeptics sometimes claim that it was an elaborate hoax intended to get them out of some contractual obligation in their tree-felling. I can't think of a much more ridiculous idea. They had the worlds media camped out in their little town and lives. I think someone would have cracked if that was the reason.
 
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I always come back to the lie detector. The very experienced operators said that they had no doubt the witnesses sincerely believed they saw a lighted disc hovering in the trees and that Travis was hit by some kind of beam.

Skeptics sometimes claim that it was an elaborate hoax intended to get them out of some contractual obligation in their tree-felling. I can't think of a much more ridiculous idea. They had the worlds media camped out in their little town and lives. I think someone would have cracked if that was the reason.
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My understanding is that evidence collected using a "Lie Detector" is not valid in court (in the UK definitely).
I have a feeling that they (lie detectors) only work if the person being tested "believes" that they do, I am pretty certain that it is possible to train ones self to beat these devices.

One thing about this case that raised my suspicion is the way that Mr Waltons "friends/colleagues" abandoned him/ left him for dead after he had touched the "UFO".
If that is what his "friends" do I would hate to meet his enemies!
I admit that my "knowledge" of this case is base solely on a "reconstruction" I saw on a documentary.
 
Actually, that detail of the crew leaving Walton behind caused a riff in the friendship between Mike Rogers(driver) and Walton himself.
The crew found themselves in a situation that caused a sort of "fight or flight" reaction- after warning Walton to stay in the truck, then witnessing this sci-fi beam of light from a saucer take Walton to the ground, who wouldn't choose the option of getting out of there while the going was good? It's easy to sit back now and say "I would never leave a friend behind" but picture yourself in a pitch dark forest with this craft from God knows where, hanging just above the area you spent all day cutting and clearing wood. The bigger question really.. Who, under those circumstances, have the balls to exit the vehicle and approach such a craft?
 
Jimi H. said:
Isn't the problem that there's no documentation for anything?

Personally, I think it was a stunt pulled by that whole group of friends.
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Sorry when I said "documention", I meant to point out the Sheriff's involvement, the lie detector tests, and the fact Walton was truly missing and given up for dead before he reappeared.
 
Goggs Mackay said:
I always come back to the lie detector. The very experienced operators said that they had no doubt the witnesses sincerely believed they saw a lighted disc hovering in the trees and that Travis was hit by some kind of beam.

Skeptics sometimes claim that it was an elaborate hoax intended to get them out of some contractual obligation in their tree-felling. I can't think of a much more ridiculous idea. They had the worlds media camped out in their little town and lives. I think someone would have cracked if that was the reason.
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The Lie Detector tests are a very unique aspect of this case for me as well. Not that one person passed but all the men did. Save for the one test that was "inconclusive". Additionally, the fact that Mr. Walton was actually missing while a police investigation was taking place. I don't think any other abduction case has that peculiarity.
 
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This is where it stands for me: [URL='http://ufopages.com/Content/Reference/Walton-01a.htm[/quote']http://ufopages.com/Content/Reference/Walton-01a.htm[/URL]
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I have a problem with this rebuking of the story.

As far as researching goes It's interesting how much speculation was done under the guise of skepticism. The below paragraph alone is filled with rumor. I allege rumor since no actual correlation can be gleaned from the siting of movie ticket sales. Unless this hillock of text would have people believe that Walton and crew, successfully planned (to the point of doing a financial price point) and carried out, without fail a hoax of P.T. Barnum proportions. Then, walked through life without a single member recanting from the least of this group.

"Given the circumstances above it is natural to suspect a hoax, but there is even more. Walton and the crew stood to gain up to $100,000 for submitting their story to the National Enquirer. The Enquirer only paid them out $5000, but the movie, Fire In The Sky, went on to gross $19,885,552 in ticket sales during its 4 week run in theatres. Then in 1994 a VHS home video version was released and in 2004 a DVD version was released. Book reprints, movie posters, interviews and countless retellings in ufo literature have also sustained the story over the decades. As of 2012, Walton was still signing books and making appearances at ufology gatherings. So there is no doubt that the Fire In The Sky franchise has been successful. How much Walton and his crew have personally gained remains unclear, but it is reasonable to surmise that it has probably provided some modest returns over the years."
 
Myself said:
I have a problem with this rebuking of the story.

As far as researching goes It's interesting how much speculation was done under the guise of skepticism. The below paragraph alone is filled with rumor. I allege rumor since no actual correlation can be gleaned from the siting of movie ticket sales. Unless this hillock of text would have people believe that Walton and crew, successfully planned (to the point of doing a financial price point) and carried out, without fail a hoax of P.T. Barnum proportions. Then, walked through life without a single member recanting from the least of this group.

"Given the circumstances above it is natural to suspect a hoax, but there is even more. Walton and the crew stood to gain up to $100,000 for submitting their story to the National Enquirer. The Enquirer only paid them out $5000, but the movie, Fire In The Sky, went on to gross $19,885,552 in ticket sales during its 4 week run in theatres. Then in 1994 a VHS home video version was released and in 2004 a DVD version was released. Book reprints, movie posters, interviews and countless retellings in ufo literature have also sustained the story over the decades. As of 2012, Walton was still signing books and making appearances at ufology gatherings. So there is no doubt that the Fire In The Sky franchise has been successful. How much Walton and his crew have personally gained remains unclear, but it is reasonable to surmise that it has probably provided some modest returns over the years."
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There is no rumor in that paragraph. The numbers were not simply made up, books and films were made and are easily verifiable. Videos and updated books were also released and easily verifiable. Walton has also been doing appearances. It took about 10 seconds to find that he was doing one at the MUFON PA East Coast Conference held on October 4-6. As for "speculation", how is it unreasonable to surmise that from all that, some "modest returns" have been generated from the Fire In The Sky Franchise over all these years? Certainly something must have come Walton's way don't you think? Do you really think it's reasonable to believe nothing has? I make no claims of dump trucks full of money. I state in no uncertain terms that, "How much Walton and his crew have personally gained remains unclear." How exactly is that unreasonable? Sorry if the article bursts your bubble on Walton. Please try to be a little more objective. Only certain parts of the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest Incident have been verified with any degree of certainty, and Walton being onboard an alien craft isn't one of them.
 
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interesting case no doubt about it.

I really do think something happened to him and his friends/workmates witnessed the very start of it. There has been to much time and heat on these people for it to have been an out and out hoax so I tend to take the story at face value at this stage.
And as for financial gain from the "experience", personally I am not sure what little they may have gained from it over the years offsets the heat and ridicule received.
 
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