Troops Ordered To Kill All Americans Who Do Not Turn In Guns?

[stonehart]

Juts saw this surfing.

Cant say I ever watch Alex Jones or the Info wars people as a norm but if what he is saying is even partly true then is scary as hell.

 

[Muadib]

It's pretty ridiculous imo. The guy talks about the UN kicking peoples heads in, anyone remember the Rwandan Genocide? How come they weren't kicking heads in there, if the UN is this big global war/gun repression machine? What better excuse would you need than a giant genocide to come in and disarm the African population? Yet it never happened. The document is from 1961, which should tell you something. In my opinion, anyone attempting to disarm US citizens is going to have an extremely hard time.

They've been fear mongering about this for a long time. Bill Cooper was talking about how imminent this was in the 70's, Alex Jones has simply picked up the ball and kept running with it. Just like all the false flag attacks that he's said were imminent and have never happened, just like the nuclear exchange with Iran that was supposedly imminent and never happened, this will probably never happen. The fact is he makes damn good money spreading fear amongst his audience. "Hey, the world is gonna end guys, so buy my DVD, book, survival gear, water filtration system, non perishable food supply, and anything else I can come up with to take advantage of the serially paranoid"

 

[pixelsmith]

I would love to see them try and take a gun from a Minnesotan. Not gunna happen. No way.

...Just like all the false flag attacks that he's said were imminent and have never happened,...

he got 9/11 right.

 

[Muadib]

I would love to see them try and take a gun from a Minnesotan. Not gunna happen. No way.


he got 9/11 right.

Did he really though? I'm not saying it's impossible, I just have trouble buying the whole false flag scenario thing. He definitely got the fact that the government's story is bullshit right, I'll give him that much.

 

[pixelsmith]

yes he nailed 9/11. some false flag ops are not a secret anymore. gulf of tonkin, northwoods, oklahoma bombing... false flag ops are mentioned in military training manuals. they are a military tactic used for centuries.

 

[Wade]

You might even add to that list the withholding of information on the pearl harbor attacks ( wanted a LEGAL reason for entry into ww II) and the bombing of the maine (we wanted in on the phillipines) although on the former, in addition to having a u.s. oil embargo on them, we were also setting up to illegally block their oil access from the dutch east oil fields...in my opinion..as we had moved ships from san diego to honolulu.so given that, why not just paint a giant bulls eye on pearl harbor, as we knew the newly empowered hideki tojo was a war hawk and a nationalist, although those attributes probably go hand in hand

 

[pixelsmith]

there are many.. some say every war we have been in started with a false flag op.

war is BIG business. ask dick(head) cheney.

 

[Muadib]

yes he nailed 9/11. some false flag ops are not a secret anymore. gulf of tonkin, northwoods, oklahoma bombing... false flag ops are mentioned in military training manuals. they are a military tactic used for centuries.

Actually, I used to think that too, until I did some reading on it and found out that wasn't the case, and Northwoods was a document, not an attack, and the guy who wrote it was fired by Kennedy for suggesting such a crazy idea. As far as I know, it was never carried out. Conspiracy theories thrive on outdated or partial information being presented as fact, more often than not when you actually look into them you find they're either wrong or not telling the entire story. Give this a read though, it might change your mind, the guy who wrote it claims to be a professional historian specializing in American History, though I don't know if that's been verified or not. Just so we're clear, I'm not saying false flags aren't a military tactic, of course they are, just that you're wrong about Tonkin and Northwoods was never carried out.

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[Angel of Ioren]

Nut job conspiracy theories.

 

[Bob Watson]

here is the so called 9/11 prediction: you listen you decide!

 

[trainedobserver]

It used to be that if you were a nut with conspiracy theory you typed your rants and either mailed them out to whomever or stuck them under windshield wipers in parking lots. (See Francis E. Dec) Now, for next to nothing, you can produce multimedia presentations and distribute them instantly to people all over the world. Every paranoid delusion of any person functional enough to use a computer now has world-wide exposure and an audience.

 

[Bob Watson]

I would love to see them try and take a gun from a Minnesotan. Not gunna happen. No way.


he got 9/11 right.

besides 9/11 we wisconsin dwellers join you in resisting taking guns

 

[Muadib]

besides 9/11 we wisconsin dwellers join you in resisting taking guns

Yeah, they aren't gonna be taking any guns here in Ohio either. Disarming the American public just is not going to happen imo.

 

[Muadib]

It used to be that if you were a nut with conspiracy theory you typed your rants and either mailed them out to whomever or stuck them under windshield wipers in parking lots. (See Francis E. Dec) Now, for next to nothing, you can produce multimedia presentations and distribute them instantly to people all over the world. Every paranoid delusion of any person functional enough to use a computer now has world-wide exposure and an audience.

The upside is, if you're willing to give weight to evidence that doesn't fit your preconceived notions of the world, you can use the internet to actually learn what happened, often first hand from people who were themselves involved, and see most conspiracy theories for what they are based on, which is: incomplete, incorrect, overly simplistic, and partial information.

 

[Muadib]

here is the so called 9/11 prediction: you listen you decide!

He does mention the WTC at the end so he did in a way predict it, but he was wrong about a couple of things. First, millions did not die, second there was no nation wide martial law. So even giving him the benefit of the doubt on that one, he's about 1 for 1000. Not a very good batting average imo.

 

[Muadib]

For anyone reading this thread who's wondering what a false flag attack is, here's the definition:

"False flag (aka Black Flag, also the name of one of the greatest punk bands of all time ) operations are covert operations designed to deceive the public in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is flying the flag of a country other than one’s own. False flag operations are not limited to war and counter-insurgency operations, and can be used in peace-time."

So Pearl Harbor doesn't fit because, whether we knew before hand or not, nobody disputes the fact that it was the Japanese that actually carried out the attack. Some examples of false flag operations are the Gleiwitz attack, and possibly the Reichstag Fire, though historians are divided on whether or not it was a false flag attack perpetrated by the Nazis to stir up the public against the Communists.

 

[nameless]

 

[Wade]

For anyone reading this thread who's wondering what a false flag attack is, here's the definition:

"False flag (aka Black Flag, also the name of one of the greatest punk bands of all time )

agreed, several years ago i talked up henty rollins at a BUS STOP if you can believe that, i still see him walking around quite a bit in santa monica, he isn't easy to miss



So Pearl Harbor doesn't fit because, whether we knew before hand or not, nobody disputes the fact that it was the Japanese that actually carried out the attack. Some examples of false flag operations are the Gleiwitz attack, and possibly the Reichstag Fire, though historians are divided on whether or not it was a false flag attack perpetrated by the Nazis to stir up the public against the Communists.

well, whether it is a nut job conspiracy theory or not, if true would not pearl harbor still qualify. i know that at the end of the day, there are no simple answers and there are machinations going on by all and many people with agendas. Furthurmore we know nothing, only what we read .. we were not first hand witnesses. BUT it always struck me as incongruous that the embryonic u.s.fleet would have be holded up in hawaii at the time, it was much safer in san diego at the time, ceratinly aside from a few fugu balloons japan would be in no position to attack the mainland, furthurmore it's unlikely they had designs on hawaii, otherewise they would have invaded the islands right after the attack. Granted hawaii was closer by probably by two-three days (?) but if i were a tactician i would give up the extra sailing days for the safety of the u.s. mainland. again i know that there were many chiefs involved with many conflicting opinions. The u.s. fleet was quite vulnerable in hawaii, we didn't really have a whole lot of firepower to protect it and the only reason why it probably should have been there is that we were that much closer to se asia, we did have intrests in the phillipines which the japanese probably considered their backyard, and they knew it would be easier for us to disrupt their fuel supplies from the vantage point of hawaii as opposed to the mainland

the way i have framed it in my mind was that, we were all but sticking our jaw out at the japanese, we had to know, because the japanese were certainly feeling cornered, they would come at us and while the u.s. congress would never have authorised the use of force to protect a country we didn't really have a right to be in (phillipines) hawaii at the time was certainly a major us outpost and almost a colony and therefore an attack on it was an attack on us, therefore ensuring a green light to engage in a war with japan.

so whether one considers this a conspiracy theory or not, if this was a viable sceanrio, would this not be a false flag operation ?

one of my favorite things that i like to dwell on and something that i like posting about is cause and effect and unitended consequences. i mention this because i was thinking that if the above was a viable scenario...the importence of protection of u.s. interests in s.e. asia...one could argue that hiroshima and nagasaki were as much a victim of einstein as they were william randolph hurst, an avowed imperialist


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[Muadib]

so whether one considers this a conspiracy theory or not, if this was a viable sceanrio, would this not be a false flag operation ?

The short answer to your question is no. The only way it would qualify as a false flag is if it was American planes dressed up as Japanese that did the attacking, and we know that's not what happened. Whether it was just bad judgement or intentional, it's still not a false flag attack by definition.