UFO "experts"?

[skunkape]

Yer Mama.
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[bobheck]

(Cough) First, you have to pass the Official UFO Quiz: http://www.scribd.com/doc/13586254/The-Official-UFO-Quiz Oh, boy. I'm in trouble now!

Holy Crap!

 

[atomic_annie]

Having seen UFO's on multiple occasions, and having read volumes of the literature available on the subject, I can honestly tell you that I am less of an expert now than when I began.
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Hmmm, it sounds like protracted case of inverse delayed reaction syndrome but don't fret, there's still hope for you!

Here's a suggestion.
First gather the following supplies:
construction paper
crayons and or paint
cotton balls
popsicle sticks
glitter
different shaped macaroni, sand, etc.. you name it...
and elmers glue
Then take Schuyler's UFO Quiz
and then sit in a chair at a table and use those supplies mentioned above and draw out or finger paint a scene from memory of one of your UFO sightings on construction paper.
Use the other supplies to jazz things up a bit if you want to but go easy on the glitter ok?
Then tape it on your refrigerator and keep it up there for the next year or so.
Don't ask me why I'm suggesting you to do this ... just trust me ok?

 

[atomic_annie]

Wellll​

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, how do I put this gently? Michael

Salla​

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heads up the

Exopolitics​

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Institute which grants certificates in Galactic Diplomacy (http://www.exopoliticsinstitute.org/certificates/index.htm.) In other words, you can study to be an ambassador to extra-terrestrials, who will be here any minute. He is very involved in the 'Disclosure Movement,' which itself is a Cargo Cult (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult) that is just short of building a UFO landing strip for the vanguard party of diplomats from Orion. The Disclosure Movement, in all its incarnations, is not well thought of here, I think it is fair to say.

Oh, that's good to know.

It's too bad though that most in the UFO community have been going another direction that's a total departure from reality and is instead based on pure fantasy.

If they could only acknowledge that there is an intelligence, apart from our own, that's

paraphysical​

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in nature that can manifest to us in any way they choose; when ever they want. An intelligence that likes to play games with us because chaos and humor gives them an "in" to our consciousness in overt as well as in subliminal ways.. but only to notify us and get our attention to warn us in one way or another what we are doing wrong and what we need to correct either on a personal one-on-one basis or on a national and or global level; and we're talking about a whole range of extraordinary phenomena that most are too fearful to acknowledge i.e UFOs,

ETs​

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, spirits, ghosts,

bigfoot​

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, the

mothman​

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, fairies, elves, the

jin​

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,

gaurada's​

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, etc..
Most of these

otherwordly​

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manifestations by this intelligence portray themselves as neither angels nor demons (as in good vs bad) ; and by doing so, they are conveying the message that all that is expected of us is The Middle Way and nothing more. In other words, they know that humanity, at the Middle Way, is the best that they can hope for. When we sway to the left of the mid-point that's holding up that arch that goes from a continuum of one extreme to the other, they intervene as messengers of caution, condemnation and even doom. It's up to us to recognize those messages for what they really are. I prefer to go on the side of optimism that eventually humanity will take off their blinders and see things for how things really are.

Until​

then, I continue to be in awe of humankind's stupidity.

The bottom line is that for all our technological advances, we are still behaving as a "cargo culture" in regards to the UFO phenomenon and other paraphysical phenomenons too... I find it hilarious but soooo tragic too. God have mercy on us. Time for a new kind of Disclosure that's based on fact and not fiction.

 

[bobheck]

Oh, that's good to know.

It's too bad though that most in the UFO community have been going another direction that's a total departure from reality and is instead based on pure fantasy.

If they could only acknowledge that there is an intelligence, apart from our own, that's

paraphysical​

in nature that can manifest to us in any way they choose;
... blah blah blah
... prating continues
... more prattle
...

Until​

then, I continue to be in awe of humankind's stupidity

So we finally get to the nut. You have it all figured out and you are here to tell us that we are wrong and dumb to boot.

Thanks, sister. I'll file that right away.

Now [clapping hands, then making a shooing gesture] -- Away with you! You please me no more.

 

[Schuyler]

Now [clapping hands, then making a shooing gesture] -- Away with you! You please me no more.

Well, sigh, we gave her a shot, anyway. I was hoping it was your turn, Bob. Thanks.

 

[atomic_annie]

So we finally get to the nut. You have it all figured out and you are here to tell us that we are wrong and dumb to boot.

Thanks, sister. I'll file that right away.

Now [clapping hands, then making a shooing gesture] -- Away with you! You please me no more.

8)
RIP John Keel and don't worry, there are still those of us in the UFO community who have some common sense left even though the majority seem to have lost their way. The truth will prevail!

 

[atomic_annie]

(Cough) First, you have to pass the Official UFO Quiz: http://www.scribd.com/doc/13586254/The-Official-UFO-Quiz Oh, boy. I'm in trouble now!

Excellent quiz Schuyler and thanks for sharing! I was surprised to find that you included some names and cases that I previously have never thought were that important but I'm taking your word for it that those cases too warrant more research on my part in order to become familiar with them.

 

[David Biedny]

Actually, Folks, I think Atomic Annie is kinda cute. Annie, don't let Bob or Schuyler scare you, they're good folk.

Everyone needs to go out and enjoy the sun.

And totally on topic, I had lunch with Budd Hopkins yesterday, we spent some time chatting, what an absolutely delightful man - and very cool artist.

He gave me a copy of his latest book, "Art, Life and UFOs":

Amazon.com: ART, LIFE and UFOs: Budd Hopkins: Books

I'm 60 or so pages in, and I can tell you all that it's a great read, and I'm finding out that he is what I would consider to be a true mensch. I HIGHLY recommend this book, especially if you're a fan of modern art - I sure am - Budd has some truly precious stories, he's hung around a lot of the greats of our age. If I ever write an autobiography, I hope it's half as good as this treasure.

dB

 

[atomic_annie]

Actually, Folks, I think Atomic Annie is kinda cute. Annie, don't let Bob or Schuyler scare you, they're good folk.

Everyone needs to go out and enjoy the sun.

And totally on topic, I had lunch with Budd Hopkins yesterday, we spent some time chatting, what an absolutely delightful man - and very cool artist.

He gave me a copy of his latest book, "Art, Life and UFOs":

Amazon.com: ART, LIFE and UFOs: Budd Hopkins: Books

I'm 60 or so pages in, and I can tell you all that it's a great read, and I'm finding out that he is what I would consider to be a true mensch. I HIGHLY recommend this book, especially if you're a fan of modern art - I sure am - Budd has some truly precious stories, he's hung around a lot of the greats of our age. If I ever write an autobiography, I hope it's half as good as this treasure.

dB

Wow! Budd Hopkins! I'm a huge fan of his and I've read all of his books. Good to know that he's got a new one out now; will check it out.

As for Bob and Schuyler, thanks for your concern but I think I can handle them. -- piece of cake....

 

[bobheck]

8)
RIP John Keel and don't worry, there are still those of us in the UFO community who have some common sense left even though the majority seem to have lost their way. The truth will prevail!

Ok, Annie, I was a little quick on the draw. Sorry for that. But, when someone spouts cult/religious dogma it kinda gets my goat.

Peace...

 

[Schuyler]

Wow, Annie! So you are a fan of Budd Hopkins. Great! Do you consider him an expert?

 

[atomic_annie]

Ok, Annie, I was a little quick on the draw. Sorry for that. But, when someone spouts cult/religious dogma it kinda gets my goat.

Peace...

Hi Bob,
I think you might have misinterpreted what was saying in that one post of mine but before I say anything further, I need to point out that I am a religious agnostic. Having said this though, I personally, from time to time, have witnessed a plethora of paranormal phenomena especially since the early 90's and I have been a serious experimenter and researcher in spirit communication for many years now. However, I prefer to analyze my experimental results (and others) in this area without having to fit those results and interpretations into any pre-existing paradigm, belief system or opinion that's held and expressed -- and more often than not, imposed upon, by the directors/leaders of any group involved in such research onto the members of their respective organizations.

Also, just because I am an experimenter in the area of spirit communication, do not assume that I am an advocate of the Survivalist Hypothesis. One of the reasons why I question those tenants of that belief system has much to do with my own UFO sighting and other experiences that I feel are related to that.

So because of all of those experiences I've had that I've mentioned above, I have been entertaining the notion that there are unseen intelligence's out there who are basically shape shifters who can portray themselves in any way they choose in any given situation.
And just like spirits, who may also be a manifestations of those same unseen intelligence's who are also responsible for the UFO/ET phenomenon, have the ability to manifest into our physical plane where they can even appear in very concrete and solid forms -- sometimes even to the touch (research the history of physical mediumship), the same goes for what is often cited by many witnesses of UFO related phenomena. The UFO we saw, for example, did not in any way look "ghostly". It ostensibly looked as solid and concrete as any object seen in our physical world.

It also should be noted that these intelligence's have the ability to read our minds and even "mine our brains" for whatever information they are searching for to use for whatever purposes they so choose. They also have the ability to telepathically and even electronically communicate to us.

So who is to say that that a spirit who claims herself to be Aunt Rosie either via mental mediumship or via electronically through a recorder or radio is really who she says she is? And even if the medium or recorder asks questions to the spirit to confirm that she is really that person, we still don't know with any absolute certainty that she is "Aunt Rosie" because we already know that so-called spirits can already "mine our brains" to find out any information they are searching for. The same goes with those Grey's who are encountered during abduction experiences. They too can read the "experiencers' mind too. John Keel's Mothman could do the same thing and the list goes on and on in regards to the mind reading abilities of those paranormal entities written about throughout time and in all cultures.

But are these entities demons? Well, though many call them that I think those writings in the Koran about the Jinn give a more correct interpretation about their general nature in that for the most part they are just like us... some are devious, some seem good but most are somewhere in between that continuum.

The intelligence who claims to be Aunt Rosie could not possibly be evil if she's warning her nephew that he needs to quit smoking. The ET who is telling the experiencer that we humans need to take care of our environment or heals that person of some disease certainly does not seem to be evil, right? The apparition who appears as the Virgin Mary to some peasant children in Portugal somewhere and tells them that war between nations needs to end does not seem evil either.

On the other hand, those Greys who abduct humans to extract sperm and eggs certainly seem to be anything but friendly. Or what about those cattle mutilations? And what about ghost haunting's and poltergeists.. or so-called demonic possessions? Such events cannot in any way be described as positive, right?

But regardless how these intelligence's choose to show themselves, and regardless that they sometimes give messages of concern or cheer or behave in ways to scare the living daylights out of us, the one thing they all have in common is that they are tricksters.

What I am presenting here is the notion that we are not talking about separate entities and that in fact, it's just one type of intelligence that resides in the unseen world who show themselves to us in any way they choose. If it's a ghost hunter checking out a so-called haunted house such an intelligence will say something horrifying over the tape recorder. If it's a medium trying to contact Aunt Rosie, one of those intelligence's will telepathically communicate to her and tell her that that's who she is (even though she's not) and those same kinds of intelligence's will create objects that look like UFO's, manifest in semi-solid form as spirits at seances or will abduct someone from their bed and take them to their "spaceship" and then erase that person's memory of the entire event afterwards-- but the bottom line is that they are all the same kind of intelligence; not many.

We don't have a name for these intelligences but I'm in agreement with Jacque Vallees' conjectures that they seem to operate ostensibly as some kind of a control mechanism. So when we observe the overall behavior of the Greys, for example, we see that they are showing themselves to be anywhere on the continuum between good and devious. Because of this, I'm seeing their behavior as a metaphor -- that perhaps they are telling us that we need to keep things in balance and when we sway too far over into the negative and become, for example, destructors of our environment, they intervene to remind us that we and even the universe will suffer because of it. In that last post of mine in this thread, I was just saying that in my view, these intelligence's seem to giving us the message that's very similar to what Buddha was telling us.. that the best way is the Middle Way.

I suppose I should come up with a better reason why I think that's a good part of their message but let's just say that on an intuitive level, this is what I'm picking up not only from my own research in this area but also from my own personal experiences and communications with unseen intelligences who, in my case, claim to be spirits of the deceased friends and relatives. In retrospect though, I should not have even gone into any of that last night when I was writing that post and next time I will try to restrain myself from making any unfounded observations on my part as to what the BIG MESSAGE is. But I will say that I find the topic fascinating and will continue to privately analyze such material to search for a common thread in regards to any kind of message that may or may not be there that they are trying to convey to us.

Peace to you too!

 

[skunkape]

We don't have a name for these intelligences but I'm in agreement with Jacque Vallees' conjectures that they seem to operate ostensibly as some kind of a control mechanism.

It may be what some of the Jewish mystics have labeled "Qliphoth."

Gnostic texts like the Nag Hamadi call them Archons.

I have my own words for them. Some of them not nice.
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[bobheck]

Hi Bob,
I think you might have misinterpreted what was saying in that one post of mine but before I say anything further...

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[atomic_annie]

Wow, Annie! So you are a fan of Budd Hopkins. Great! Do you consider him an expert?

Yep, Budd Hopkins is definitely on my "expert" list and so are you Schuyler.

 

[atomic_annie]

It may be what some of the Jewish mystics have labeled "Qliphoth."

Gnostic texts like the Nag Hamadi call them Archons.

I have my own words for them. Some of them not nice.
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Just came up with this one... how bout "Liminal Memes"?

 

[atomic_annie]

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But just remember this Bob, even though a mind like mine is rare... at least it's "choice".

 

[Schuyler]

Yep, Budd Hopkins is definitely on my "expert" list and so are you Schuyler.

Hmm, but in your earlier posts that started this thread, you proclaimed that one had to have seen a UFO to be considered an expert. Neither Budd Hopkins nor I have ever seen a UFO. How do you explain this contradiction? (Thanks, though. 'Preciate it, though I'm no expert--just interested!)

I'm sorry but when it comes to topics like this, I can't see how anyone can believe that UFOs exist (or aliens, for that matter) unless they themselves have seen one on a first hand basis.

In short, I think that it's the kind of thing that one has to experience themselves to truly believe in and anyone out there who's trying to pass themselves off as an expert in this field who does not indicate that they themselves have even seen one is... in my humble opinion, a literary opportunist of one sort or another.

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[atomic_annie]

Hmm, but in your earlier posts that started this thread, you proclaimed that one had to have seen a UFO to be considered an expert. Neither Budd Hopkins nor I have ever seen a UFO. How do you explain this contradiction? (Thanks, though. 'Preciate it, though I'm no expert--just interested!)



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Prove to me that Budd Hopkins has not had either a paranormal experience or something related to UFOs.