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stphrz said:
Ha ha!;)
I just finished playing with my cat. I was shining a flashlight on the floor getting a kick out of watching her chase the light around.

Makes me wonder if someone might be doing something similar to us.
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This exact scenario is one of the first things Mac Tonnies wrote about in his last book. We discussed it (while he was alive of course) and speculated that our ideas about and interaction with the dancing lights might be just as important as what might be directing it. Our interpretation usually gets left out of the equation.
 
trainedobserver said:
Truth be told, I lean toward the ETH myself. Regardless of how tired of it we are or how "boring" someone might find it to be,
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What's so "boring" about advanced ETs coming here??

it remains in my book (and many others) the most probable explanation for some sightings.
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Most, or the phenomenon generally.

Although I think some percentage of sightings are human devices like UAVs and advanced aircraft designs, that doesn't explain the sightings around nuclear facilities in my book....
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Nor many others involving occupant sightings or abductions.
 
Trajanus said:
Not even footprints, injuries of abductees and implants? Maybe not conclusive proof but still something.:)
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The problem with the implants is that none of them have been shown to be anything that is not available on this planet. I've never heard of foot prints being found.
 
Trajanus said:
Not even footprints, injuries of abductees and implants? Maybe not conclusive proof but still something.
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I am unaware of actual "footprint" cases. Could you reference? Lear's reports on the implants are interesting, particularly about the specific radio freq. apparently used. I still don't really know what to make of it though. If alien abductions are happening at the freq. and magnitude indicated then I don't see how we have failed to capture something on one of the millions of surveillance cameras out there. The film we do see is pretty crappy like "alien" walking in guys yard that was on Fact or Faked. To me I see a egret or something similar. And the fact the guy has supposedly lost the original video throws that out in my book for even any serious consideration. The whole alien abduction business is baffling in that regard.
 
trainedobserver said:
I am unaware of actual "footprint" cases. Could you reference?
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Lorenzen claimed they were at Socorro. I'm sure there are other cases.

Lear's reports on the implants are interesting, particularly about the specific radio freq. apparently used. I still don't really know what to make of it though. If alien abductions are happening at the freq. and magnitude indicated then I don't see how we have failed to capture something on one of the millions of surveillance cameras out there....
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There is surveillance film showing a guy walking out of a building and disappearing. Actually most abductions occur in private homes or places where there aren't surveillance cameras e.g. the Hill's car, the car with the three KY women in '76 or the boat at Eagle lake later that year.
 
Trajanus said:
Lorenzen claimed they were at Socorro. I'm sure there are other cases.




There is surveillance film showing a guy walking out of a building and disappearing. Actually most abductions occur in private homes or places where there aren't surveillance cameras e.g. the Hill's car, the car with the three KY women in '76 or the boat at Eagle lake later that year.
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Wait a second - there's video of a guy disappearing? Please post a link to that.
 
Trajanus said:
There is surveillance film showing a guy walking out of a building and disappearing. Actually most abductions occur in private homes or places where there aren't surveillance cameras e.g. the Hill's car, the car with the three KY women in '76 or the boat at Eagle lake later that year.
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But they come out the house (through walls and closed windows) to their ships waiting above though. There should be all kinds of video from traffic cameras. I know here in Texas there are cameras at almost every intersection, in the lobbies of almost every business, and so forth.
 
trainedobserver said:
But they come out the house (through walls and closed windows) to their ships waiting above though. There should be all kinds of video from traffic cameras. I know here in Texas there are cameras at almost every intersection, in the lobbies of almost every business, and so forth.
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But abductions often occur in more secluded places, like remote stretches of highway. They tend to go after people in underpopulated areas, and at night. They were, however, at least seen by several people in one NY case in '89.
 
Trajanus said:
Among other things, they have a strange ability to prevent rejection by the person's body.
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There is absolutely nothing strange about this at all. People all over the world have pins, screws, plates, artificial joints, artifical hips etc placed in their bodies by human surgeons every single day.
 
Trajanus said:
But abductions often occur in more secluded places, like remote stretches of highway. They tend to go after people in underpopulated areas, and at night. They were, however, at least seen by several people in one NY case in '89.
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That isn't the impression I get from reading about and listening to various accounts. A lot people claim to be taken from apartments, suburbia, and relatively heavily populated areas.
 
stphrz said:
There is absolutely nothing strange about this at all. People all over the world have pins, screws, plates, artificial joints, artifical hips etc placed in their bodies by human surgeons every single day.
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Lol, apples and oranges. Those things are connected to hard tissue in the body, so they stay put. Implants are inserted into flesh. They'd be rejected had it not been for something pretty unusual.

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trainedobserver said:
That isn't the impression I get from reading about and listening to various accounts. A lot people claim to be taken from apartments, suburbia, and relatively heavily populated areas.
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Well, even then the phenomenon often comes at night when nobody else, or almost, is aware of what's going on.
 
Trajanus said:
Lol, apples and oranges. Those things are connected to hard tissue in the body, so they stay put. Implants are inserted into flesh. They'd be rejected had it not been for something pretty unusual.
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Wrong again. I direct you to pacemakers to regulate hearbeat, electrodes inserted directly into the brain to treat seizures not to mention the countless war veterans who carry shrapnel from wounds suffered in wars that occured decades before. All in soft tissue and not rejected by the body.

Rejection occurs in response to the body's immune system detecting foreign dna.
 
stphrz said:
Wrong again. I direct you to pacemakers to regulate hearbeat, electrodes inserted directly into the brain to treat seizures not to mention the countless war veterans who carry shrapnel from wounds suffered in wars that occured decades before. All in soft tissue and not rejected by the body.

Rejection occurs in response to the body's immune system detecting foreign dna.
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Even though stphrz and I got off to a very rocky start in another thread, I have to stick up for him (or her, I'm not certian...apologies)...he's absolutely correct about rejection. I was a Cath Lab RN for a number of years and it's quite true that pacer/AICD electrodes are anchored directly into muscle. They are not rejected because they are not biological material. Same with all sorts of shrapnel, etc. Even the pacer/aicd unit itself is tucked and sewn into a "pocket" of flesh on the chest. After a certain length if time, the body begins to "sheath" it in a tough, fibrous material that reminds one of plastic when cutting through it. Rejection becomes an issue only when organic/biological material is introduced into a recipient, such as in a transplant of some sort. In these cases, the patients are given heavy doses of drugs to suppress the immune system in order to thwart rejection.
 
Trajanus said:
What about a splinter just underneath the skin? I don't think most implants are deep.
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I'm lost, what is your initial stance/question? Most splinters are organic in nature (like wood), they aren't necessarily "rejected" per se, but often (when close to the nerves) they aggrivate the area and/or cause a local infection (if allowed). I don't really know jack about alien implants, I'm not even sure I believe that they exist. It's not abnormal for small bits of metal to be found inside the human body...I recommend listening to Paratopia (either episode 80 or 81, can't remember). There is discussion of a medical condition called ion channelopathy, this might help you to understand why small bits of metals might be found under the skin.

Is the suggestion that "implants" are essentially similar to an RFID chip, such as that placed in pets (under the skin BTW)? If these "implants" are real, and they are communication type devices, what is the hypothesis on how they are powered, etc?
 
bmadccp said:
I don't really know jack about alien implants, I'm not even sure I believe that they exist.
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They definitely exist. Some have been surgically removed.

Is the suggestion that "implants" are essentially similar to an RFID chip, such as that placed in pets (under the skin BTW)? If these "implants" are real, and they are communication type devices, what is the hypothesis on how they are powered, etc?
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They've long been thought to be tracking devices but AFAIK most apparently lack the means to communicate.
 
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