ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM
Whittingham
All I hear is Anti-USA brigade 
USA is not the only nation that needs oil remember Asia and the rest of the World!
USA is not the only nation that needs oil remember Asia and the rest of the World!
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Welcome to the twilight zone: Ahmadinejad
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paraschtick
Paragilmorian guy
Don't want to worry you but Saudi Arabia has been an American colony for years. The Saudis were put into place by the CIA ... god knows how many years ago.
And wasn't it Michael Moore who claimed the Saudis were behind 9/11. As we say in New Zealand ... yeah ... right
.[And another one of those lovely little things about history that tends to fall by the wayside. Who wrote the peace plans at the end of the American War of Independence?? King George III!! In other words (and throwing out a lot of other arcane legal stuff which would only clarify this further provided by "The Informer", a guy who has been interviewed several times on Vyzygoth's Grassy Knoll and his other programmes ... and who really knows his stuff after trawling for years through various arcane legal documentation), the US is still a British colony ... its quite funny when you think about it
.]paraschtick ... being woefully ignored since 1967 and long may it continue
ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM
Whittingham
Don't want to worry you but Saudi Arabia has been an American colony for years. The Saudis were put into place by the CIA ... god knows how many years ago.
And wasn't it Michael Moore who claimed the Saudis were behind 9/11. As we say in New Zealand ... yeah ... right
[And another one of those lovely little things about history that tends to fall by the wayside. Who wrote the peace plans at the end of the American War of Independence?? King George III!! In other words (and throwing out a lot of other arcane legal stuff which would only clarify this further provided by "The Informer", a guy who has been interviewed several times on Vyzygoth's Grassy Knoll and his other programmes ... and who really knows his stuff after trawling for years through various arcane legal documentation), the US is still a British colony ... its quite funny when you think about it
paraschtick ... being woefully ignored since 1967 and long may it continue
Paraschtick you make a valid argument but don't forget the American & British War of 1812
which burnt down the original White House etc which was ashame all those historical documents 
Remember the other interfering Empires that have influnced the Middle East such as the British, Ottoman etc
Kieran
Paranormal Adept
Historically, Western nations were the aggressors and Middle east countries had to repel invasions from the outside. I can only think of one-military leader of the top of my head, from outside Europe who successfully invaded parts of Europe, and that was Genghis Khan son, he successfully conquered parts of Poland and Hungary, to be later driven back.
The crusades were shameful acts, and yet we in the west allow our leaders, and the Military we support again to carry out crimes in our name. Repeating old mistakes is doomed to fail no matter what year in history it is. White-westernised aggression is evil what business is it of ours to demand something of another nation that we don't copy.
Leaving aside Yes Iran, has not historically attacked or tried to attack another Country in over 900 plus years, it is a country that actively supports Terrorism since the 80's..and actively supports groups that want to destroy Israel as a nation!
Even if some might consider Groups like "Hezbollah" as freedom fighters and have a genuine right to engage in conflict with a superior power for their presumed legal right to land, they do promote the killing of Civilians to achieve their goals. As person who Understands this type of terrorism living in a country that had conflict up till the 1990's and hasn't fully gone away, these actions are morally wrong.
Ahmadinejad, is former of member of the Revolutionary Guard, and there is anecdotal evidence, he might have took part or be one of the organisers of the planned American Embassy crisis of 1979. There is no nothing solid, but there is some clues that he may indeed have been part of the operation.
Iran has the right to self-determination, like any other nation that exists today, but the leader of Iran has being going around spewing crap that he has no justifying reason to make. If he is sure 9/11 was done by Israel or by the United States, a leader of a sovereign nation most supply details or evidence to back up that claim.
Perfect Example is the "Cuban Missile Crisis" Russia for weeks denied they had Nuclear missiles situated in Cuba, the Foreign minister from the Russian Embassy in Washington, had a meeting with President Kennedy, and even though he was face to face with the President, he denied such missiles existed! But the Russians were foolish U2 Spy plane has taken photographs weeks earlier over Cuba, and at UN meeting of world nations, while the Russians kept denying the existence still of these missiles, the US just rolled out the Photographs for the World to see, and Russia couldn't lie any-more.
Same principle accusations require evidence to be believed as far as I am concerned.
9/11 Nut Jobs are delusional to the core, and they need to get a reality check and stop watching useless YouTube videos about an alleged conspiracy on 9/11
Since the President of Iran believes this stuff Frankly I am worried about his country developing the Nuclear weapon in the near future, and it amazes me, Israel is allowed to get away with the stuff, it does to other human beings. The Palestinain people are grossly mistreated by Israel, and I would expect something better from a people who suffered greatly under the hands of the Nazis during the 1930's and 1940's, there called occupied lands for a reason.
Israel is occupying lands that were not theirs to keep, they fought the Arabs for the land they occupy and forced them off. Whatever claims are made in the Bible to Land the land taken was occupied by the Arabs for hundred of years and you can understand the frustration of the Palestinians when they are treated as second class citizens in land previously owned by them.
We are all humans, religion is the curse that divides us all. If I had the power, I would have carved out land somewhere in Europe for the Jewish People. Most of the Jewish people who died and lived had a European heritage and romanticising about the Jewish history, is what has led to the problems we fact now today in the Middle- East, the land was once owned by Jews thousands of years ago, but that changed, and the Arabs had just an equal right to iit.
Anyway enough of my ranting on this subject for Today.
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Marxism actually has never been adopted by any country ever, so how can you judge it when it has never been implemented. Norway and Sweden have more social policies than other western nations, but essentially they are Capitalist nations with liberal policies. However from what we Gather from Polls. Norway and Sweden have the highest standard of living in the Northern hemisphere and are the happiest people, probably because those nations have stronger social policies than any other nation in the known World.
If you understood Socialism and Capitalism, you would not say what you have said frequently. Capitalist system doesn't care about the Lower class or middle Class it is designed to protect that 1percent or 2 per cent of people who have the most wealth and Form institutions that will protects the right of that 1 per cent of the Population. Socialism is the way to go, and you have bought into the lie and shameless lies that is that come from your leaders and media.
paraschtick
Paragilmorian guy
Baahhh ... I just wrote a lot replying to this and lost it ... bahhh I hate it when that happens.
Anyway I was going to say that I agree with some of what you say, Kieran. I have my suspicions of Ahmedinajad. I have a feeling that he is just an actor put in place to play his part in a big theatrical power play. I believe something very wrong went on on 9/11, and that the US/Israel planned and organised the whole thing but still Ahmedinajad pulls his punches over 9/11, and has done so for 10 years. Any real foe or opponent of the US would milk that for all its worth (and there is mounds of evidence out there which shows that some very "anomalous" things went on on 9/11 ... as well as evidence which clearly shows some Israeli involvement eg who ran security at the airports where the planes on 9/11 took off?? ICTS - an Israeli ran security company!!)
But still he pulls his punches. Someone in his position would likely know a lot more than an ordinary person over the events that took place on 9/11, and use that for all its worth.
Oh and there is a Jewish State ... of sorts ... in Europe already, Kieran. There has been for many years. Its called the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, with its administrative centre called Birobidzhan.
Actually just looking at it on the map its much much farther east than I remembered so its not really in Europe ... and its actually part of Russia ... but ... you know
. And Stalin did set it up ... so maybe Jewish people wouldn't have wanted to move there in the first place ... but still it does exist ... although it probably couldn't take all the Jewish people in the world ... but it is there!! [I've heard a few people over the past few years say that Jewish people should leave Israel and move there ... I'm not entirely sure that that would be a feasible thing to do now]
ps And not all 9/11 "truthers" are nutjobs frankly ... that would be totally insane. There are some people who have done amazing work showing 9/11 for what it is, and frankly, I find those people who CAN'T see anything wrong with 9/11 to be a bit nutty, astoundingly blind or just plain scared to face the facts ... because the facts and consequences surrounding those facts are very real and very very scary.
Kieran
Paranormal Adept
Baahhh ... I just wrote a lot replying to this and lost it ... bahhh I hate it when that happens.
Anyway I was going to say that I agree with some of what you say, Kieran. I have my suspicions of Ahmedinajad. I have a feeling that he is just an actor put in place to play his part in a big theatrical power play. I believe something very wrong went on on 9/11, and that the US/Israel planned and organised the whole thing but still Ahmedinajad pulls his punches over 9/11, and has done so for 10 years. Any real foe or opponent of the US would milk that for all its worth (and there is mounds of evidence out there which shows that some very "anomalous" things went on on 9/11 ... as well as evidence which clearly shows some Israeli involvement eg who ran security at the airports where the planes on 9/11 took off?? ICTS - an Israeli ran security company!!)
But still he pulls his punches. Someone in his position would likely know a lot more than an ordinary person over the events that took place on 9/11, and use that for all its worth.
Oh and there is a Jewish State ... of sorts ... in Europe already, Kieran. There has been for many years. Its called the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, with its administrative centre called Birobidzhan.
Actually just looking at it on the map its much much farther east than I remembered so its not really in Europe ... and its actually part of Russia ... but ... you know
[I've heard a few people over the past few years say that Jewish people should leave Israel and move there ... I'm not entirely sure that that would be a feasible thing to do now]
ps And not all 9/11 "truthers" are nutjobs frankly ... that would be totally insane. There are some people who have done amazing work showing 9/11 for what it is, and frankly, I find those people who CAN'T see anything wrong with 9/11 to be a bit nutty, astoundingly blind or just plain scared to face the facts ... because the facts and consequences surrounding those facts are very real and very very scary.
Firstly, Thank you, for the Information about the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. Haven't had the time to look that up, and research as an interest, but the Information and my knowledge of the World, tells me that Israel is the only officially recognised Jewish state in the World, an actual country. I'll say no more, I may be incorrect? it will require more research by me.
I have to call 9/11 truthers nutjobs, because the evidence all of you present is, one of hearsay and allegations, some of the information as an observer.."it is bordering on racism. I don't want to draw in Pixel to this discussion lol please, and I think, don't believe.. We can make some headway hopefully and have pleasant and an honest conversation with each other?
I don't believe the President of Iran is an actor, that makes no sense. You have this mindset, that America has invented baddies in order to create chaos and allow for the occupation of countries in the Middle East. There is zero facts that Israel or the United States were involved in 9/11 and if you had just one fact, that you could prove. I would not be opposite to you now, and opposing your version of events. To gain any acceptance, least have one fact that is provable, but there is no facts only hearsay and allegations like I said before.
I also believe we can prove a plane was involved in the crash at the Pentagon. For one the video I will show can not be denied unless you want to deny it, how is it?... The metal from an American Airlines plane is scattered around the lawn at the Pentagon and engine parts from a Plane were found in the debris at the Pentagon? Everyone of those photos was taken the day of the Pentagon attack, step back and think logically about that please!!
If no plane was involved how come six to seven street light posts, were uprooted from the ground at the Pentagon. I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but each post would be impossible to lift for a man on his own and each post the height alone would suggest you need some machinery be able to move it, so how on Earth did all six posts topple over and smack to the ground.
A missile would not cause this to happen, however a plane with a long wing span, going a tremendous speed and hitting the poles would, the distance between each pole on the ground, will give you insight to what type of plane hit the street-poles and then you'll get your answer if it was a plane or not that hit the Pentagon.
You also have to rule out the Twin Towers were demolished with Explosives. Pixel is lost on this point, both towers collapsed and fell from top to bottom, and demolitions are always positioned from bottom to top, the collapse started from the top down exactly at the point were the planes hit and caused the damage to the top floors.
The Building would have needed to be wired from the top down to do what ye truthers believed happened, Yet the top floors were engulfed in fire and smoke for hours. There no-known explosive or dynamite ever designed or made, that can resist heat or high pressure, within five minutes these alleged bombs would have prematurely gone off, it common sense this is lost on ye Truthers.
Remember what I said. I could debate and debunk every 9/11 truther theory, but just wake up and take heed of the evidence. Here is couple of videos of the actual evidence and from people who saw the plane hit the Pentagon. Bye.
paraschtick
Paragilmorian guy
Oh boy. I so disagree with you Kieran. I only managed to look at that second video but it no in way shows conclusively that a plane hit the Pentagon. Just because there were plane parts (and I know what you are thinking ... conspiracy theorist etc etc
) doesn't mean a plane hit it. The pieces could have been placed inside the Pentagon (a section that was being "refurbished") without a lot of people knowing (maybe?) and then when explosives went off well you'd have charred remains wouldn't you??? You really have to try to think differently about 9/11 since there are so many things that are designed to throw you off the scent of the real perpetraitors.Also if you check out this website http://www.thepentacon.com you will see how a plane probably didn't hit the pentagon at all ... and this is all from eyewitness including cops who were totally on the side of the government before they were interviewed by the guys on the website. Its sterling work and shows how utterly how people can be deceived so easily by sleight of hand.
As for the WTC buildings, well all that footage of the squibs going off, the way WTC7 falls into its own footprint, and the way that although there was a supposed raging inferno at the top of one of the towers that people still managed to survive and were caught on film standing on the edge of the hole one of the planes had made, the stand down of Norad ... well thats enough for me really. And thats just a small sub-section of things that are just impossible to ignore for me. Plus you can throw in all the lies the Bush government came up with over Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq etc etc etc ... well how on earth anyone can believe that the same government told the entire 100% truth over 9/11 ... thats just way way too much for me. I think we'll have to disagree big time over this one forever I think
.ps and the way that originally the Bush government wanted HENRY KISSINGER to chair the 9/11 Commission. Doesn't THAT even make you doubt even slightly that something fishy was going on????
Kieran
Paranormal Adept
Oh boy. I so disagree with you Kieran. I only managed to look at that second video but it no in way shows conclusively that a plane hit the Pentagon. Just because there were plane parts (and I know what you are thinking ... conspiracy theorist etc etc
Also if you check out this website http://www.thepentacon.com you will see how a plane probably didn't hit the pentagon at all ... and this is all from eyewitness including cops who were totally on the side of the government before they were interviewed by the guys on the website. Its sterling work and shows how utterly how people can be deceived so easily by sleight of hand.
As for the WTC buildings, well all that footage of the squibs going off, the way WTC7 falls into its own footprint, and the way that although there was a supposed raging inferno at the top of one of the towers that people still managed to survive and were caught on film standing on the edge of the hole one of the planes had made, the stand down of Norad ... well thats enough for me really. And thats just a small sub-section of things that are just impossible to ignore for me. Plus you can throw in all the lies the Bush government came up with over Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq etc etc etc ... well how on earth anyone can believe that the same government told the entire 100% truth over 9/11 ... thats just way way too much for me. I think we'll have to disagree big time over this one forever I think
ps and the way that originally the Bush government wanted HENRY KISSINGER to chair the 9/11 Commission. Doesn't THAT even make you doubt even slightly that something fishy was going on????
You have just proven my point hearsay and allegations. I have nothing further to add to the discussion.
paraschtick
Paragilmorian guy
Well I wouldn't go that far. Seeing squibs go off is not exactly hearsay or allegations ... its there in front of your eyes. Talking to people who were eye witnesses to what actually happened at the Pentagon (and yes sometimes you have to put your trust in people like this but generally you can tell who is spinning you a yarn) isn't necessarily hearsay or allegations. If they're being truthful, and for the most part, the people talked to by the people at the website I stated are being truthful then you have to take that on trust and believe that what they say actually happened. I prefer to listen to the stories that come from first-hand witnesses rather than what comes from the mainstream media especially in the US.
Going with the original government story though is utterly stupid. For a start they cannot be 100% correct in what happened that day. There will be things they DON'T know about. So to believe every single thing the government has said when its the same government that has lied through its teeth and anus about Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc etc ... is proposterous in the extreme.
If you cannot understand the fact that the US government has in the past not only experimented on its own citizens, but actually killed them ... well you are living in a dream world I want no part in.
And don't you think that after all the lies the Bush and Blair governments spouted about Iraq and Afghanistan that there might be just a little bit of spin over 9/11. Maybe even some lies at least told over it???
Oh well ... time for me to go away now and take some deep breaths I think. Sometimes its just not worth telling people what they're unwilling to take as the truth even though it cuts through and destroys their basically childish paradigm. For those of you who don't think something nasty happened on 9/11 and it wasn't them Ay-rabs ... well I think its time for you to open you eyes, and ... grow up.
paraschtick ... still being stunned by human stupidity since 2001