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agsouthtexas

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What and who do you think created us?

Just a question. Id like to hear your thought out responses.

No response is outrageous.

Have a nice day!:)
 
As unoriginal as it is at this point, Im pretty much convinced that we are the product of genetic manipulation/engineering by a race of intelligent beings.
 
agsouthtexas said:
What and who do you think created us?

Just a question. Id like to hear your thought out responses.

No response is outrageous.

Have a nice day!:)
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Have to agree with you there Gareth, but just to play devil's advocate, maybe the mass consciousness, resenting it's own singularity, opts to diversify itself to better experience it's universal surroundings?This could also be blamed for our manifestation in the present physical state. What is "an intelligent being", how bout the singular consciousness of every human that will, or has lived or is living now, thinking and acting in one unified existence, and willing itself into the physicality of this planet?

Genetic manipulation by intelligent beings is definitely the answer I'd want, but is it the answer?

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=vidqcQpG3X0&feature=related
 
As I grow older and I hope wiser, I am inclined to also agree that I think we have been manipulated in some way by advanced cultures and/or beings. I say and/or because I am not yet ready to rule out the possibility that another branch of humans didn't come here to screw with us -- whether they be from another planet or time/dimension and all that stuff.

I really think there is so much in old recordings and historical references to gods and the like and all the miracles and such -- it was too real to these people back then. I do believe a lot of people saw and experienced some of these things.

OK, here I go, but I really think that life was pretty tough thousands of years ago and that people did not have gobs of leisure time and advanced abstract thought to go make up these fantastical mythologies and have so many people grab hold of them. I don't. I think that they were certainly embellished, but that they are in their core based on truth as the writers saw truth. Somewhere in between the very basic story and what wound up being a huge embellishment lies the real truth.

All in all, I believe that this is when whomever was screwing with us was still here and at work.
 
I go between evolution and intelligent design and sometimes branch out into genetic manipulation.
Every time I think I have a cogent thought on the subject, I come back to another question. If we were genetically manipulated, then who manipulated our manipulators?
 
AnnetteMarie said:
I go between evolution and intelligent design and sometimes branch out into genetic manipulation.
Every time I think I have a cogent thought on the subject, I come back to another question. If we were genetically manipulated, then who manipulated our manipulators?
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You are right about that one. I am speaking locally on Earth of where we came from and what our history is. To go up the chain all the way to the beginning is really another matter. I think it is that big.
 
I'm a fan of David Dohm's holomovement. So, I think we come from the implicate order. Or is it the super implicate order?

As for biologically, we seem to be related to apes and to lesser degree other animals. Did some other beings alter the dna of primates to get us? I'm not convinced of that yet but open to it.
 
Yeah I might revise my comment. Rather than being 'convinced' I would say that its the theory I like the best, and makes a lot of sense to me.

Listening to snippets of (how could I avoid them) Obamas various speeches today, I noticed he mentioned God a few times. It really is crazy how 'accepted' the notion of an omnipotent, omnipresent(etc) supernatural God figure is main stream society. Its become one of those things that is so engrained that the average person just doesnt consider it.

You know how sometimes you say a word in your head lng enough and it begins to sound weird? Like, say the word "fridge" until it sounds strange. Then you end up thinking about words and language and phonetics and how engrained certain things are in society. If more people thought about the concept of 'God' like that, to the point where they found their current beliefs start to dissolve, I bet we sould have a much more openminded and accepting society. (as well as intellectually adventurous, or curious)
 
Gareth said:
... It really is crazy how 'accepted' the notion of an omnipotent, omnipresent(etc) supernatural God figure is main stream society. Its become one of those things that is so engrained that the average person just doesnt consider it...
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Also, even keeping oneself within the boundaries of the God of the Bible, if you were to believe in that God -- and you were to ask most believers how they picture God, they would lay out the old man on a throne or the Sistine Chapel image. The Bible itself says that God is a spirit, invisible, non-physical. So right there, even most people's perception of the God in the Bible is wrong to start off with.

But I agree, it seems to come natural to all cultures to believe in a divine being or beings. This goes back to my reasoning -- there is such an ingrained belief in humans and in our history of gods and interaction with them - something must have triggered that.
 
I believe we're the results of chance evolution, but with the probabilities (throws of the quantum event dice and so on) tweaked to ensure that chance throws up results that serve the purpose.

I believe Einstein was wrong about that one thing (and yeah I know he was speaking metaphorically): God does play dice. But he's not above loading them.

This may sound like Intelligent Design, but it's actually more subtle (I think ID is for the simple-minded): the universe I believe in is and must be in every respect indistinguishable from one that arose entirely by chance. Leaving notes lying around saying "OK, you're onto me, I did it" would be cheating.
 
If it is true that humans are made in the image of God which is stated in the Bible, we also would be ispirits, invisible, non-physical. I can see myself and others, therefore proving genetic manipulation by outside entities. Darn, I think we got short changed!:)

Silliness aside, I believe that we were genetically engineered by a superior race of beings. Call them aliens, gods, whatever. Different versions of humanity were placed upon Earth to see which were the strongest, both physically and mentally, by these beings. Over time, all the human spieces have been manipulated genetically by the superior race for whatever reasons they may have. The weaker human spieces eventually died off or were assimilated, which has left us here. There are those that are still being "tweaked" for some reason by these beings today.

I think I'm wabbling between belief in the Bible, evolution and a slightly twisted version of one of Carl Sagan's theories, which was taught to me by a probably twisted college professor long ago. I dunno. What I do know is that I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet! Good day, all!!;)
 
I guess I don't understand the need to say we have been genetically engineered by some supernatural or "other" entity. We, as human beings, have everything we need to be human. It's encoded in our DNA. And if we compare DNA to other animals we find closer or more distant similarities. Our chromosomes are only "off" slightly compared with the chimps chromosome number and morphology. It is likely, and much evidence like this has been presented, that we are the product of genetic manipulation, .... by natural selection, not "something else".

So if "We" have been genetically manipulated, then every living thing has been manipulated as well, as we all share the language code of DNA. We, as humans, always want to put ourselves out there as special. Maybe we are. But maybe we are not. We aren't built very well IMO. We have back problems all the time, we are weak comparitively, we age and die, and are susceptible to all kinds of disease both physically and mentally. Our spinal column and supporting vertabrae is a throwback to animals that didn't walk upright. It works, but is rather kluge-like.

Now I don't dismiss God. In fact I think there is something greater for the simple fact that life sprung into this universe for no apparent reason. Why would the universe need life?? Either way this is getting into another discussion altogether. But I guess when people say that we(humans, and humans only) have been altered to something else's liking, I don't get it. To me we seem to be the result of natural forces rearranging our template and blueprint.

And sure, I could be wrong. It's more mysterious and certainly more striking to think that humans have been the puppets of some sinister or perhaps even benevolent puppetmaster. But when do you suppose we would be activated to "do" whatever it is we are supposed to "do"?? When do we get the "execute order 66" from Darth Sideous?? It's only been what,.... tens or hundreds of thousands of years??
 
TClaeys said:
I guess I don't understand the need to say we have been genetically engineered by some supernatural or "other" entity. We, as human beings, have everything we need to be human. It's encoded in our DNA. And if we compare DNA to other animals we find closer or more distant similarities. Our chromosomes are only "off" slightly compared with the chimps chromosome number and morphology. It is likely, and much evidence like this has been presented, that we are the product of genetic manipulation, .... by natural selection, not "something else".

So if "We" have been genetically manipulated, then every living thing has been manipulated as well, as we all share the language code of DNA. We, as humans, always want to put ourselves out there as special. Maybe we are. But maybe we are not. We aren't built very well IMO. We have back problems all the time, we are weak comparitively, we age and die, and are susceptible to all kinds of disease both physically and mentally. Our spinal column and supporting vertabrae is a throwback to animals that didn't walk upright. It works, but is rather kluge-like.

Now I don't dismiss God. In fact I think there is something greater for the simple fact that life sprung into this universe for no apparent reason. Why would the universe need life?? Either way this is getting into another discussion altogether. But I guess when people say that we(humans, and humans only) have been altered to something else's liking, I don't get it. To me we seem to be the result of natural forces rearranging our template and blueprint.

And sure, I could be wrong. It's more mysterious and certainly more striking to think that humans have been the puppets of some sinister or perhaps even benevolent puppetmaster. But when do you suppose we would be activated to "do" whatever it is we are supposed to "do"?? When do we get the "execute order 66" from Darth Sideous?? It's only been what,.... tens or hundreds of thousands of years??
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I dunno. I have my playful doubts sometimes that we have everything we need etc. Like when I go to check the mail and I feel like I'm going to die it's so COLD!! Meanwhile my dog is naked and just fine walking along side me. Give me back my fur, the coat isn't enough.
 
Everything was created by me. You are all figments of my imagination.

I wish all of my creations wealth, prosperity and peace. Those of you who disagree with me, your god, can suffer.

Heheheheheheh. I love existential philosophy.
 
Tommy Allison said:
Everything was created by me. You are all figments of my imagination.

I wish all of my creations wealth, prosperity and peace. Those of you who disagree with me, your god, can suffer.

Heheheheheheh. I love existential philosophy.
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Get rid of my heartburn please. And send forth a naked hottie. Female without VD of course. I'm still waiting on the wealth you mentioned. I thought God sucked with money? All his preachers have to ask for it constantly at least. Ow. Going to take a pill instead. For the heartburn that is.
 
Stillborn said:
Get rid of my heartburn please. And send forth a naked hottie. Female without VD of course. I'm still waiting on the wealth you mentioned. I thought God sucked with money? All his preachers have to ask for it constantly at least. Ow. Going to take a pill instead. For the heartburn that is.
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Well for starters, those aren't my preachers. None of them really understand what I'm about, and second, there are so many different clubs they started up, it's hard to care about all of them. I just like the open minded folks, because they're easy to talk to.

I'm also a big believer in the whole, I help those who help themselves. So if you need money, get a better job. There's one out there if you look, and aspire to challenging yourself.

If you left everything to me, you'd have no will of your own, and would be my pets, as opposed to people. God sucks with money? Oh you don't know the half of it. I exist for something different than money. My wealth exists in the love you create, and the love you receive.

Speaking of attractive prostitutes without VD, that is only physical gratification, which is the devil's work. There is someone out there for everyone, who will love them unconditionally, and probably have enough kinkiness to keep it interesting. I'm concerned for whomever you choose that is right for you, not Right NOW for you.

God is a big picture guy.

Good luck to you.
 
better watch it Tommy, or next thing you know there will be a church built in your honour, and then you will be worshipped and adored, until you make a booboo, and then they will crash down the doors, burn the church, defile your image, and consign you to the worst hells they can conjure...
oops, sorry, didn't mean to compare you to Obama...;)
 
oh, yah, the booboo would be in not giving instant fixes, and making the population work to solve problems and to take responsibility for their own actions.:p
 
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