Why are The Hosts so Afraid of the "Space Brothers" Scenario?

[Zorbov]

It's funny ... but the hosts proclaim that we should remain open to all possible explanations as to the reality of ufo's ... the paranormal ... etc ... except one which may be in truth the reality of these phenomena .. that is that our "space brothers" are guiding us through a transitory evolutionary period of our consciousness that will lead us to an expanded cosmological and spiritual awareness.

I think this is a very plausible scenario ... and you don't have to get into the "they're going to save us and we don't have to do anything for ourselves" outlook. On the contrary .. we probably have to do most of what's required ourselves .. both individually and collectively ... but we're not alone and won't be abandoned. Just like your parents ... if you had good ones ... wouldn't abandon you. They would train you to be responsible for yourself.

If there are highly advanced beings that know of us ... why wouldn't they take on this role? Especially if the next evolutionary step for species such as ours is a spiritual awakening to the truth of our reality .... Imagine how loving and spiritual these advanced beings would be and how much they would care for us ..

What are we so afraid of .... that there might be a God?

 

[David Biedny]

Welcome to our forums.

In regards to the UFO/"alien" paradox, anything is possible, even your unlikely scenario. If you think it's likely that some of these encounters can be explained as benevolent beings, feel free to back up your opinion with something substantive. You state that highly advanced beings would take on the role of being our teachers. When you're out hiking, and find an ant hill, do you try to teach the ants how to read? Do you spend time indoctrinating them in religious belief? Why wouldn't you?

dB

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Welcome to our forums.

In regards to the UFO/"alien" paradox, anything is possible, even your unlikely scenario. If you think it's likely that some of these encounters can be explained as benevolent beings, feel free to back up your opinion with something substantive. You state that highly advanced beings would take on the role of being our teachers. When you're out hiking, and find an ant hill, do you try to teach the ants how to read? Do you spend time indoctrinating them in religious belief? Why wouldn't you?

dB

I don't know. Ants are supposed to be highly organized and highly intelligent, right?

 

[David Biedny]

Well, Gene, that's exactly right. Ants are highly efficient, they are possible the most advanced insects on the planet, and in terms of biomass, the ants outweigh humans two to one. In some ways, they are more successful than humans in terms of dominance of the environment. So shouldn't we try to bring them up to our level of intelligence and awareness? Wouldn't that deeply benefit the human race?

dB

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Well, Gene, that's exactly right. Ants are highly efficient, they are possible the most advanced insects on the planet, and in terms of biomass, the ants outweigh humans two to one. In some ways, they are more successful than humans in terms of dominance of the environment. So shouldn't we try to bring them up to our level of intelligence and awareness? Wouldn't that deeply benefit the human race?

dB

Absolutely. Maybe we should be communicating with the ants and find out what THEY know about our visitors.

 

[Graphimancer]

Maybe the ants already made contact a long time ago, and they have embassies to the stars.

Of course, ants have wars, between black and red ants, so maybe they are simply as advanced as us, but not more.

Ants--A sign that communism CAN work!

(all said half-tongue in cheek.)

 

[Ankhes]

Welcome, Oneness 1.
I haven't gotten the impression that Gene and David are "afraid" of the space brother scenario, but just that they are skeptical of it. So am I. I see it as unlikely. Of course it is possible, but it is no more probable than some other theories.

What have aliens, cryptos or extra-terrestrial, to do with a god or gods? What god are you referring to? How are they, if they even exist at all, involved with UFO's?

 

[Frozen E.T. Burrito]

When you're out hiking, and find an ant hill, do you try to teach the ants how to read? Do you spend time indoctrinating them in religious belief? Why wouldn't you?

I don't think that should be thought of as a necessarily fair comparison. We "know" the basic differences between us and ants... but we really have no true, clear idea regarding how we compare to "aliens". We could be very different, or very similar in cognitive orientation, and it would not really be too far out to assume a major possibility of some similarities.

A lot of people tend to auto-assume that because we "evolved" in different worlds that we would have taken a completely different evolutionary path. I've read that there's some pretty good science that points to life bearing planets having very similar makeup, chemically and atmospherically, and also gravitationally.

If we allow for the possibility that there is a guiding intelligence behind evolution then there is no reason that we cannot allow for the possibility that a humanoid form is more "common" than the theories of random evolution propose, and it would more than likely be these otherworldly humanoids who travel interplanetarily.

It could also be the case that an ET is very UNhumanlike, but still be able to communicate with us somewhat efficiently (maybe even MORE efficiently) using symbolism rather than spoken language, possibly even via telepathy (and possibly even regardless of OUR lack of preexisting skill in doing so).

As it stands now there is not enough evidence available to "the masses" for "us" to be too hardline into any particular theoretical branch of ufology, and I think it unwise and even unscientific to take on too strong of an opinion regarding what is and what ain't goin on. And also, just because one person's pet theory MIGHT be happening, doesn't mean that another's isn't ALSO happening.

 

[Frozen E.T. Burrito]

What have aliens, cryptos or extra-terrestrial, to do with a god or gods? What god are you referring to? How are they, if they even exist at all, involved with UFO's?

If there is a "God", I would think it pretty likely (though not necessarily) for Him/Her/It/They to be E.T. in that they are not of this Earth. Whether or not they be ethereal or physical, or in some form that we couldn't really describe at all, it would still be considered an E.T. if they "lived somewhere" other than Earth.

 

[Zorbov]

I do have personal experience with some forms of these advanced beings as well as other paranormal phenomena. All these experiences have been filled with wonder, awe and love.

Why are they concerned with us ...? Here's what I believe. Because like them ... we have a soul ...
which differentiates us from other forms of life in our planets lower kingdoms (animal, plant, mineral).

As we evolve .. the powers and proof of the existence of the soul and a creator will become more apparent .. both in what we discover materially and within.

More and more people are going to experience these phenomena which I believe are spiritual in nature. Any negative experiences would be the result of our own fears or machinations of our own kind seeking to manipulate us ...

Before the moderators flip out and ban me ... I qualify these statements as being of my own perception of the field being studied.

What we are being guided to ... is a whole new way of looking at things ..

It would be helpful if we discarded the notion of us being "taught" or "indoctrinated"... it's not as simple as that. We have a destination that is our birthright and cannot be denied ... but we must also exercise our own free will.
We can be agents of goodness and progress .... or we can hinder that progress .. or we can be non participants of either ...

How does that relate to ufo's paranormal etc. .... We have nothing whatsoever to fear from the true source ... The more we learn to respect, love and care for each other the more we will understand ... In the end ... that's what this is all about.

You can't just look at it from a purely material scientific outlook because of its spiritual nature ....

So my point is ... when the hosts of this broadcast are more open to this possibility they will make more progress ... but I understand there are probably some deep seated beliefs from personal experience that will prohibit them from doing so.

I have found personally though ... when you give yourself to the universe and keep a very open mind .... interesting developments follow.

 

[David Biedny]

Why are they concerned with us ...? Here's what I believe. Because like them ... we have a soul ...
which differentiates us from other forms of life in our planets lower kingdoms (animal, plant, mineral).

And that's where you lose me. The moment that you put humans above all other life on this planet - apparently, you think that animals are below us, while as far as I can tell, we share the same eyes, ears, noses, assholes and other body parts with dogs, cats, whales, dolphins - you make yourself out to be nothing more than a vain, self-centered homo sapien. I'm gonna guess that you are the type of person who believes that humans hold dominion over the planet, and that Gaia is here to do your bidding. I'm glad that's working out for you. Speaking for myself, my brain still works, as well as my skeptical mind and my intuition. Thanks so much for your professional opinion about my reality, but given the fact that the only side of me you know is through this show, I submit that you don't know who I am, what I believe in or what my life has taught me. So please take your preaching and throw it at someone who cares.

dB

 

[Ankhes]

What have aliens, cryptos or extra-terrestrial, to do with a god or gods? What god are you referring to? How are they, if they even exist at all, involved with UFO's?

If there is a "God", I would think it pretty likely (though not necessarily) for Him/Her/It/They to be E.T. in that they are not of this Earth. Whether or not they be ethereal or physical, or in some form that we couldn't really describe at all, it would still be considered an E.T. if they "lived somewhere" other than Earth.

Ah, good answer, thank you. I had never thought of what people consider a god or gods as E.T.'s. I guess it makes sense, tho. I guess I thought most god/s believers thought of the entity/s as being "one" with everything and therefore not seperate and that is where I got lost in the OP. But then I don't understand the god concept very well, I'm afraid.

 

[Graphimancer]

In regards to the soul, I 'believe' they are real, because science is leading in the direction of cosnciousnous as a form of energy that can be separate from the biomechanics of the brain. Further, having seen ghosts, I know that consciousnous and identity can survive the physical bodies death, so that puts the question of souls to rest (so to speak) for me.

Do animals have souls? Absolutely. What would make us different from animals, especially higher animals? Nothing. From what I can see, there is a great deal of self-awareness to animals, especially the primates, elephants, dolphins, cats, etc. etc. They are closer to their primal, heirarchial needs, but they exhibit all the problem solving, (often) tool use, self-awareness of humans.

We expect that animals, with their extreme pragmatic natures, are less than us because they don't have concepts of morals and ethics. Most "right/wrong" decisions in animals seem to be more in the range of punishment/punishment avoidance questions, where they have learned boundaries.

I think the animals have it right, and we are the ones who are so foolish that we need concepts of justice, morality, ethics, and fairness. Animals neither get nor need those concepts. Animal intellegence may be more finely tuned, and thus superior in many aspects to human intelligence.

Note: I am no animals rights freak. I just enjoyed my pizza with pepperoni and sausage. I say these things out of what I consider common sense, and the lessons I have learned. You may think I'm full of shit, and that's cool too. Really, I'm cool with the idea that in a forum of the free exchange of ideas that others take issue with my thoughts. That's healthy.

 

[Rob]

In regards to the soul, I 'believe' they are real, because science is leading in the direction of cosnciousnous as a form of energy that can be separate from the biomechanics of the brain.
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Can you cite specific sources on this?

 

[Graphimancer]

I'll see what I can dig up.

 

[Frozen E.T. Burrito]

apparently, you think that animals are below us, while as far as I can tell, we share the same eyes, ears, noses, assholes and other body parts with dogs, cats, whales, dolphins

There is a major difference between above/below... and different. We can be "equal" in many fundamental ways, but with regard to extra terrestrials, we would have the most in common on at least the surface of things. For instance, if we assume for a moment that the ETH is valid (though not necessarily the only valid theory), then we would share the most similarity with the group of beings from another world who were able to build ships of any sort (there's being capable of interplanetary or even galactic travel, and ours being capable of manned trips to our moon).

Even if they are far beyond us in pretty much every way, they would still (more than likely) find us to be "closer" to them in most ways rather than say, ants.

What would make us different from animals, especially higher animals? Nothing.

I once saw a bear that could sorta drive a motorcycle in the circus, but the circus was still built and organized by humans. While we do indeed share many fundamental qualities, we are still very, very different, and I think that should be fairly apparent. In what ways specifically, we could go on and on and on, and that goes for both similarities and differences, but really... seriously... come on... we are definitely different. Not necessarily in an overall value of "above/greater than/more important" or whatever, but definitely different.

but they exhibit all the problem solving, (often) tool use, self-awareness of humans.

On this side you have a crow who uses a little stick to get some food out of a hole... on the other you have an animal who has harnessed the power of materials and mathematics to the point of building a device that can travel to the moon and back, and has built a (more or less) permanent orbiting station over the planet that it makes regular trips back and forth from in yet another neat little device that launches like a rocket and then glides back to Earth.

 

[David Biedny]

FEB,

You're correct in the distinctions you point out, and it's obvious that from a technological POV, humans are more advanced than the other species we've detected on the planet. But to assign souls ONLY to homo sapiens is just not accurate, IMO. I would argue that we don't fully comprehend our own souls, so how can we make definitive judgement calls as to whether an elephant, dog or dolphin has a soul? Life is so much more sublime and complex than we suspect, I personally get rankled whenever someone proclaims that they understand the reality of human existence, or tries to make us out to be some sort of special, definitive expression of the will of a God that, if it exists, seems completely out of the realm of our comprehension. I am deeply disturbed by vanity, I feel it's going to end up being our downfall as a species, and when I see that vanity displayed by someone who uses it to bolster their own belief system, it just rubs me the wrong way.

dB

 

[mike]

i recommend the doco Chimps are people too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwm4FEB9LC8

(sorry hosts embedding was disabled on this one)

for me moral alignment goes from loving space brothers to war of the worlds destroyers, with a neutral spot in between

ive seen and heard no evidence to support a loving space brothers theory, on the contrary the testimonys would indicate a slightly negative/neutral position.

for all we know the galaxy like earth is a kill or be killed environment and the aliens are keeping us here UNTIL we have the destructive technology necessary for us to take our place amoungst the stars.

it may well be the whole love/cause/effect gestalt the religious ppl promote is such insane logic from a galactic pov that we are being interdicted until such times as we put away the childish notion of a "god" being there to save our bacon. and are ready to stand on our own feet, and take the galaxy on at face value.

love is not a survival factor, if it were the whole human race would be vegetarian.

killing a thing and eating it is............

there is no love in that, just survival


it may well be that only black belts are welcome at the galactic tournements.

and we are only a green belt right now


giving an ape angels glands, does not an angel make

 

[CapnG]

Hey Onenessnessness... prove to me I have a soul. Well, go on. NO? Can't? Are you sure? OKay. Then prove to me YOU have a soul.... no? Hmmm. How then does the notion of "spiritually advanced beings" even apply if I can't be demonstrably assured of the existence of the soul as anything more than a quaint, poetic notion dreamt up by a group of semi-evolved simians who are simply aware of (and terrified by) their own mortality? Take your time and get back to me on that.

To the group, look gang I would really, REALLY like to believe in this soul business but as I grow older I simply see less and less reason to and more and more proof that it's just not there (apologies to christians on the board, this being Easter monday and all). That sense of self-presence we sometimes get strikes me as nothing more than the subconcious mind poking through to the concious surface, it's not mystical, it's chemical. Most of all, I'm convinced the reason we fear death isn't because of the fear of some quasi-mythical punishment that lies beyond but because we know, deep down we truely understand that that's the end, we die and we're gone, FOREVER.

 

[Graphimancer]

I was unable to remember where I first heard scientific postulations on the mind and the brain not being synonous. I thought it was in Marie D. Jone's book Psience, but I don't remember what chapter. Good book, though. Not being a formal researcher, just a curious person, I didn't make notes.

I do remember hearing about the potential holographic principals of the brain on a radio medical show, and later ideas that memories might be spread throughout the body, or cellular memory, which would account for transplant patients who inherit traits/memories from previous owners of the organs.

When you encounter a non-residual haunting, an entity able to feel emotions and take actions on them, that settles it, pretty much. There is no more biological brain, and yet identity, volition, and character live on. The brain may be the greatest known processor in the world, but it may be more of a mother board than a memory bank. (I'm not a hardware guy, so I hope I said my analogy correctly.)

Further, For those who can astrally project, or perhaps remote viewing, the person's mind and sense of place move about all over the place, leaving the brain behind for a while. Maybe quantum non-locality can explain this, maybe not. That's for greater minds than mine, I suppose.

In other words, put way too simply for the benefit of myself, I have come to think of the brain as the antenna, but the mind as the signal.

Metaphysics overcomplicates the whole soul/spirit issue, I think. The sentience and presence of mind is itself the soul, the animating force. This probably survives the cessation of the body (OK, I know it does, but I don't have proof). The make up the soul as a sort of indestructable etheric identity card that can be traded off or bartered or whatever, or to make it distinct from spirit or mind, is probably a mistake. It's a case where metaphysics made the whole darn thing too complex. The ancient Egyptians actually believed in nine spirits or souls, for example. Some modern New Agers or Occultists believe we have an etheric body, and an astral body, etc. Too complex.