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Why are The Hosts so Afraid of the "Space Brothers" Scenario?

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and do these creatures have souls ?
maybe they have one thats only 15 % human

oh wait, the pope has made this reality one of the modern deadly sins

not to worry then, its all been taken care off case closed
 
Most of all, I'm convinced the reason we fear death isn't because of the fear of some quasi-mythical punishment that lies beyond but because we know, deep down we truely understand that that's the end, we die and we're gone, FOREVER.

Are you kidding? If you are gone, you don't know better! That's incredibly better than eternal punishment! I'm not into pain, and pain that never quits is eternally worse! If you are blotted out, and cease all awareness, you don't care because you are gone.

God gets a bum rap on these boards. I'm not surprised, because whereever you have reasonably well educated people gather, you have the free thinkers and ersatz philisophers who ask the touch questions. Einstein's God, the representation of scientific order, I guess you could say, still holds some draw for me.

There may well be a field of universal consciousnous, be it a sentient zero point field, or a human (?) superconsciousnous. Sounds godlike to me. Yeah, it's all semantics, I know: One person's god may be another person's energy field.

Robert E Howard's Conan believed in Crom, a god that didn't bother with him and didn't expect anything in return. Seems like a good relationship, in a way. But, I'm making a judgement call, so feel free to ignore it.
 
David Biedny said:
to assign souls ONLY to homo sapiens is just not accurate, IMO. I would argue that we don't fully comprehend our own souls, so how can we make definitive judgement calls as to whether an elephant, dog or dolphin has a soul? Life is so much more sublime and complex than we suspect

Totally agreed. I auto assume ALL things to have souls, and that if one has none then NONE has one!

I am deeply disturbed by vanity, I feel it's going to end up being our downfall as a species, and when I see that vanity displayed by someone who uses it to bolster their own belief system, it just rubs me the wrong way.

Also agreed. But the point remains that the "cosmic brother possibility" cannot be at all ruled out based on a "but we can't teach the ants" kind of logic, and some of the OP's points do seem valid. I would definitely think it possible... even somewhat likely that "someone out there" would feel an inclination to help us out for spiritual reasons. Perhaps they had to conquer a similar mountain of bs to our present one, and now they would like to pay that forward. It could very well be that there are beings who are doing that for us now, but in such an abstract way that it's not as obvious as, for instance, the Vulcans coming down and meeting with us after we get our first warp drive.

Really what has caused me to join in this particular discussion is that I too have noticed what I deem to be a premature dismissal of both the ETH and "cosmic brother" theories/possibilities these days (and take note that those two theories could easily be separate from each other, mixed, or even one or the other... who knows?). And it should always be remembered that "what's going on" is not necessarily just one thing or the other... there are potentially many, many types of "alien", all with differing motives. I would even think that likely... and if so, surely at least ONE of them are "cosmic brothers" of a sort.

Look at it THIS way too...

If WE ourselves were "aliens" capable of intergalactic travel, there are DEFINITELY those among us who would have such motives toward others.
 
Oneness1 said:
Why are they concerned with us ...? Here's what I believe. Because like them ... we have a soul ...
which differentiates us from other forms of life in our planets lower kingdoms (animal, plant, mineral).

some interesting ideas in this discussion
http://www.danacentre.org.uk/video.asp?event_id=185

what exactly is a "person"


Edit: i really recommend this video, it covers the UFO alien question as an exquisite microcosm.

some lightbulb moments for me.

the same questions we have about the aliens, can be seen in the answers we have in regards to chimps being people too.
 
CapnG said:
To the group, look gang I would really, REALLY like to believe in this soul business but as I grow older I simply see less and less reason to and more and more proof that it's just not there (apologies to christians on the board, this being Easter monday and all). That sense of self-presence we sometimes get strikes me as nothing more than the subconcious mind poking through to the concious surface, it's not mystical, it's chemical. Most of all, I'm convinced the reason we fear death isn't because of the fear of some quasi-mythical punishment that lies beyond but because we know, deep down we truely understand that that's the end, we die and we're gone, FOREVER.

Well said and thanks for your honesty. I pretty much share those views. I would LOVE to believe that souls and gods and such are real but the older I get the more I see those concepts as nothing more than fairy tales. Wishful thinking. A comfort blanket. I gave up fairy tales and comfort blankets and do what I can to experience reality and appreciate it every day.
I'd love to be wrong on some things, heck, but that won't make me just accept things for which there is no credible and compelling evidence.

That said, if there is such a thing as "souls" (but how is that defined here on this board) than I would assume that all sentient creatures have them.
But I wonder when the term "we" is thrown around about "we" are so arrogant and "we" think we have all the answers. Who is this "we?" It is certainly not me nor anyone I know who I have discussed such matters with. Nor is it anyone I have read in recent memory. So, who is the "we" that the hosts mention? I'm really not trying to be a nitpicker, but I honestly don't know just who, precisely, they speak of when saying "we." The religious? The scientific? The ghost hunters? A guest whose episode I haven't heard yet? Who???
 
Hello again and thanks for the response ... an interesting exchange of perceptions .. the way I see it .. and maybe someone will connect and be encouraged to think differently through the expression of these opinions.

I don't think recognizing that we have a soul and vanity go hand in hand ... in fact it should be exactly the opposite. The proper expression of the soul through the mind would be a humbleness, gratitude, and love for every created thing and the Creator.
I won't go into proving that we have one ... that's an individual journey that one can make for themselves ..

I think the ufos take many forms ... on the whole though they are all expanding our consciousness and awareness ...like an evolutionary prod for the mind.
Our consciousness can transcend the material ...and investigate both it and the metaphysical aspects of reality ...

I like what Mr. Valee said during his interview ...we need to be careful to not assume our form of consciousness is similar to other advanced life forms and attribute their motives and ways as it pertains to our limited understanding and biases.

Okay ..some of you might like to hear of one of my most powerful experiences .. I don't know. One night I went for a walk down to the small ocean cove that is just down the road from our house.
I had been drawn to there on numerous occasions. Initially I had noticed colored lights rising out of the forest surrounding the cove. They would change color from blue to red to yellow as they rose slowly out of the trees ... then slowly go back down. It was very intriguing and beautiful. So I went down again this night to see if I could see them again ...

I was looking over the cove and around the forest that surrounds it .... when all of a sudden three very brilliant liquid white lights appeared about a hundred feet in the air and about a 100 yards away from me in the woods .. One of them shone a beam of light down into the trees, illuminating their sides ... Without a moment of hesitation I began to walk towards them ... and that's the last thing I remember on a linear basis because my next memory is of looking up into the sky standing beside the trees that were lit ... and one of the lights is still there .. up in the darkness. It's quite far away as it's much smaller and less intense than originally. Anyway .. the light blinks on and off .. and then does a small circular motion .. then zips off and disappears into the star filled night.

I would really like to know what happened in that missing time .. but for the longest time I wouldn't even talk about it ... thinking that if I did .. the light beings might never come back or be upset with me for wanting to know. Maybe I'm not supposed to know .. believe me it has really troubled me ... I can't find anyone out here who does hypnosis clinically .. as I think that's the only way I might find out. It's a total blank ..
Anyway ... to go on ... I've seen other light beings under different circumstances and other types of "aliens". I don't see them all the time and haven't for quite awhile.

I struggle day to day with my vices and doubts .. sometimes I'm more succesful than not .. lately it's been hard.

One feeling I have is that if we approach these phenomena with scientific curiousity and without fear ... and entertain all positive scenarios ... we will make faster progress in understanding them and ourselves ... IMHOO

Cheers!
 
Well, I'm glad you see this experience as positive. There may well be some "good" or "positive" entities that interract with humans. In fact, I think it's likely. My guess would be that the same cross-section of good, indifferent, and bad people you find among humans is repeated among these entities. If you met good ones, great!

When I woke up to find beings beside my bed, they made no effort that I remember to manhandle or mistreat me. I got the distinct impression that they were imparting information to me. Whether these were astral beings, like the ascended masters of the theosophists, or beings from other diminsions, or aliens, or whatever, they made a powerful impression on me. But, I digress, getting caught up in the details. There's a great deal more to this account.

My point is, in my case, I met this encounter with great curiosity. If you've read enough of my posts, you've probably figured out that I have a questing mind, a thirst for information, and a desire coalesque what I learn into usable knowledge. Strangely enough, the universe's operating system met that with information, and I downloaded it. Perhaps the three creatures, whatever they were, were simply the interface I needed for the download.
 
I wonder if kansi the Bonobo thinks of "US" as his space brothers ?



the section 01:50 is to my mind an example of direct comunication between 2 species in a context that both are able to embrace and manipulate. But still these are endangered species.
how many of you had ever even heard of a Bonobo before ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwm4FEB9LC8

"so if your interested in wether or not apes can aquire human culture, you have to give them an opertunity to have a human life, but we also as youv'e seen give them the opertunity to have a bonobo life"

woudnt that also apply one level up, are aliens in fact doing just this very thing with us ?




When i hear the scientists and public discuss chimps in this clip

http://www.danacentre.org.uk/video.asp?event_id=185

i hear some interesting things, the reserve where they observe chimps,
they talk about its taken decades to get to where we are observing the chimps as we see them today. just observing them has changed them, at first the chimps reacted with fear,when the scientists entered their forest reserve but eventually they changed so that scientists can now enter and listen too and start to decode the chimps "language"
they ask about bridging the gap, and making chimps more human, and things like diet ie meat eating were proposed, as well as "engineering" a change. and at the same time there is the question of these animals becoming extinct .

the way in which we are managing our interrelations with this species, seems almost mirrored one step up with that of how the greys are supposedly interreacting with us on many levels.

maybe the whole abduction scenario is just a cosmic monkey see monkey do lesson, maybe when we stop abducting and experimenting on creatures, they will stop doing it to us.

or maybe thats the natural order of things

Big fleas have little fleas, Apon their backs to bite 'em, And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so, ad infinitum.
 
The ET Hypothesis is false but an understandable human reaction to these phenomena. The entire Roswell situation stemmed from the misidentification of a covert launch of an experimental aircraft from White Sands and that the "bodies" were in fact Japanese prisoners of war who were illegally used in this and other tests. Hence the deformity.

The association between these phenomena and the ET Hypothesis is in itself simply a side effect of psychological immaturity of the species. "UFO's" are a psycho-sociological phenomenon related to human extra-sensory perception and psycho-spiritual evolution. The desire to associate it with ET is as false as the desire of those in ages past to associate it with "God" or his "angels." Both are false categorizations stemming from cultural fear and primitivism. The simple fact is that evolution relies on the human mind being given a gentle push from time to time, and it's the human mind itself that's responsible for this action. The process encapsulates a primal quandary of action/reaction. Consciousness can only perceive time in the context of a beginning and an end, ie. action leads to event. We're hard wired to perceive chronology and not comprehend events that have no precursory reasoning. The truth of this matter might ultimately be very disappointing to many. The ET Hypothesis could be a bad side effect in the part of the species that can't handle the medicine.
 
(another note regarding Roswell - some of the scientists "recruited" from the defeated Nazi ranks were rather experienced in the field of human experimentation, ie. they weren't all from the field of rocketry. It's a sad but true fact that they were allowed to use Japanese POW's to continue their research. The misidentification of these poor souls during the crash of the experimental aircraft gave birth to the Roswell myth and it's a myth that certain people would like to perpetuate. For obvious reasons.)
 
It's also interesting to note that those who fight most fiercely in the propagation of the ET Hypothesis myth are those who profit most from sales of their books and lectures. Wherever money meets this subject, you can be assured that nonsense will ensue. The truth regarding this subject is simply not a profitable proposition because it often lays beyond the capacity of the gullible to understand.
 
Anonymous22 said:
(another note regarding Roswell - some of the scientists "recruited" from the defeated Nazi ranks were rather experienced in the field of human experimentation, ie. they weren't all from the field of rocketry. It's a sad but true fact that they were allowed to use Japanese POW's to continue their research. The misidentification of these poor souls during the crash of the experimental aircraft gave birth to the Roswell myth and it's a myth that certain people would like to perpetuate. For obvious reasons.)

I have had many 'uncomfortable' thoughts about the American 'elites', their war-time connections and the atrocities carried out by the Nazis. This explanation for Roswell is not new to me and has some merit in my mind, but in a way, I think the US would be more willing to offer ETIs as an explanation for Roswell, rather than own up to these sort of activities.

UFOs may or may not have some connection with ETIs - the idea that there are probably other intelligent races in the universe makes perfect sense to me. It's only a matter of time before one of them comes into contact with our world. Maybe it happened in the past, maybe it's happening now or maybe it'll happen sometime between now and the end of time.

So, for me, dismissing the ETH (or any other explanation) is a mistake. Even if we're able to prove that UFOs are some sort of bizarre weather phenomena, that doesn't mean ETIs aren't out there or even here.
 
Anonymous22 said:
The Roswell myth was intentionally created to cover these atrocities.

Well, for me, 'Roswell' has never been the 'nail' on which the 'UFO picture' is hanging, so if that event was really 'something else', then that's fine by me. One less case to worry about...

I'm sure most countries have got many dark secrets in their closets that they'd rather forget.
 
UFOs and the ETH did not begin at Roswell, it has simply become the "poster child" for ufology. This is a case of forests and trees...
 
CapnG said:
UFOs and the ETH did not begin at Roswell, it has simply become the "poster child" for ufology. This is a case of forests and trees...

forests and trees.....

the phrase "people are chimps too" came up in both the original doco and the discussion posted above. and though it wasnt in the UFO context, forests and trees reminded me of the

http://www.bonobo.org/NL-Peaceforest.htm


The Kokolopori Bonobo Reserve is the pilot and model community reserve in the Bonobo Peace Forest network. Harboring one of the largest known bonobo populations-more than 1000 bonobos in a 3,000 km2 forest. Kokolopori is an exceptionally important site, both for conservation and research.

It is one of the few sites where bonobos are habituated to the presence of humans, and can be viewed on a daily basis

maybe people really are chimps too.

maybe we are being habituated to the presence of whatever it is thats visiting us
 
One should see Good's recent "Need To Know", re: the Varginha (Brazil) case. He quotes Leir's book, as I recall, wherein one of the beings recovered was operated on and telepathically talked of the spiritual situation.

Nonetheless, if we take Christianity as an example, why should these beings (as 'gods') take any further interest in humanity's welfare than the God of yore, who, despite a supposed incarnation, has done nothing to intervene to stop humanity's murderous ways.
 
erehwon said:
One should see Good's recent "Need To Know", re: the Varginha (Brazil) case. He quotes Leir's book, as I recall, wherein one of the beings recovered was operated on and telepathically talked of the spiritual situation.

Nonetheless, if we take Christianity as an example, why should these beings (as 'gods') take any further interest in humanity's welfare than the God of yore, who, despite a supposed incarnation, has done nothing to intervene to stop humanity's murderous ways.

What did he say about the spiritual situation ?
Thanks in advance, ive missed this case
 
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