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Why do we focus on old cases?

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Few are called to do field work and even fewer actually make it happen. Its a fact of life, it sucks, but we are saddled w/ too many people w/ too much else to do in their lives. W/ cable TV, texting, video games and work-related stuff, there's little time for the average Joe to get out there and dig: make the phones calls, visit the event sites, interview the witnesses, do the research, get yourself up2speed, etc. It's a sad fact, but it's true: Most people simply don't have the time or the drive to really get out there and do the work!

That is exactly why it's such a great thing to see people like you out there working on worthwhile projects like the SLV. Imagine how disappointing it would be to set that all up and collect a bunch of data only to have it end up in a storage locker with people saying stuff like "who cares ... why bother?". And you are so right when you point out factors like texting and video games. People are easily addicted to anything that provides instant gratification and electronics have millions of us hooked on instant food, instant communication, instant entertainment, instant dating ... If that page doesn't load in under 3 seconds you're viewers are gone. No wonder ADD is running rampant ... rant ... rant ... rant.
 
I'm not sure a lack of field research has a lot to do with lack of time. I think that flavour of interest in the subject is a specific thing, unto itself. I think the larger majority of the people who are interested in this stuff, even in this forum, are just more interested in stories, ideas, and the lure of mystery than investigation and field work. I think they're two separate hobbies. It's a little unfair to suggest that the people who aren't doing the field work are just people who are too heavily distracted or lacking in interest in the subject.

I had some interest in investigation when I was much younger. It just wasn't that interesting. I realized it's not what I liked about the subject.

Would it be nice if some of these mysteries were solved? Sure. Do I spend any part of my day, away from my consumption of the media (like the Paracast), pondering any of them? No.

That's why the older cases are more interesting to me than newer ones. The newer ones are in the investigation process, something I'm uninterested in as it currently exists. The older ones are in the speculation process, following investigation. It's during that process that the real emotion and profundity of the cases evolve into something experientially pleasing.

I think some of aren't distracted so much as we're just not seeking the "truth," as it were, we're seeking something potentially more stimulating.
 
I agree with everything in that last post POO...uh, I will not abbreviate ProphetofOccam anymore. :oops: EXCEPT, for the last sentence. IMO, there is positively nothing more stimulating than reality, because frankly, it's the variable context post consciousness within which truth is defined. Nothing is certain. Absolutely nothing. Do you know why? Because we ourselves are in constant change. Ourselves and the basic constructs of consciousness are synonymous. Without consciousness, there is nothing. All certainty is subject to change.

What everything in your excellent post above underlines up until that last sentence is what could be described as aptitude. However, aptitude minus resistance is what those you're countering are hoping for. Distraction is resistance just as habits can become disciplines to which we don't grow fonder as a result thereof. All good points.
 
I can empathize with that, Jeff.

I guess all I meant by my last sentence is that I would probably enjoy the subject of the paranormal a lot less if it were no longer composed of speculative narratives and lore -- if it were straight up science. I like narrative. I like the stuff that grows out of the seeds that are the old cases. I like listening to Brad Steiger, even though I think he makes things up off the top o his head. It doesn't matter to me if what he's saying is true, based on truth, or entirely invented.

Outside of my interest in the paranormal, an appreciation for "truth" and reality definitely define parts of my life and perception. When I question aspects of the paranormal, it's more so that I can understand the psychology of the participants in the developing narrative, rather than understand whether or not the narrative is based in fact. I'll point out things I think poke holes in the stability of the narrative, as a piece of nonfiction, but only to clear a path to discussing "why" someone might want to create the narrative in the first lace.

As I've told you in a private message, I think has little to do with attention or fame. There are no people who are mainstream famous due to experiences in the paranormal area. Nobody outside of forums like these cares who Betty and Barney Hill are; nobody cares who Kenneth Arnold is; nobody cares who Roger Patterson is. It's of no use and no interest to people with no interest in the subject matter and, even then, how star struck are you to meet an experiencer? It's really not an issue.

If my feelings about the paranormal are at all correct, and it exists as a form of modern, performance mythology, with some participants being unaware of the myth aspect, then I think it has a lot more to do with having some kind of innate desire to tell stories. If you don't feel you've got something you can put in a book or a movie, it's a unique and effective medium to deliver small, specific types of emotionally-interactive narratives. That's more interesting to me than actual apemen or aliens.

I could be entirely wrong. These ideas are what drive my personal consumption, but I think lore and ideas are a powerful draw for most people into the subject.
 
ProphetofOccam,
Thank you for that "straight to it" insight on your perspective. I mean that. That was CLEAR and anyone that can't "see" at this point where you're coming from, is just not trying. My question to you is sincerely, what about the buttload of experiential data? Certainly, devouring as much 2nd and 3rd party substantiated reporting as you have, you must be convicted with some degree of significance in as much to fully contend that we are in fact dealing with an anomalous (strictly to us, that is) portion of our observational and experiential based reality, for which we currently possess no working understanding.

BTW, I LOVE classic paranormal literature, but I also LOVE the contemporary retelling of it in it's own right. I am greatly saddened, well maybe not grievously emotional over the matter, but I really miss Rob Morphy as a contributor to MU. No slight to anyone else respectively, but he was in fact a MASTER at just such an undertaking.

You know what would be cool? I have never thought of this idea prior, but wouldn't it be cool if this forum had a Pdf. based library of the classics? Like Bowen's "The Humanoids, or Visitors From Lanulos. I have always wanted to read that book! VFL came up on eBay about 3-4 months back in pristine condition and sold instantly for 100.00. I was bummed that I missed it. It's valued at roughly 4 times that. There are many others I'd love to read.

But still in yet, classics vs. contemporary be damned, whether consisting of brutal truth, or merely fanciful fiction, UFOs are as real as you or I. I know this much after having seen two for myself. One experience I had lasted for 20 minutes or more. It was an eye opener to say the least and was witnessed by one other individual that I was with at the time. Yes, my friend Jim checked with the authorities the following day and there were in fact several other reports concerning that same night.:D The second experience last for just a couple of minutes at most, and oddly, this time again I was with someone else, my Dad. Sadly his sight was extremely poor at this time due to the fact that he had yet to have cataract surgery. But he did barely make it out even though what I saw was as crystal clear as viewing any old airplane. I reported this latter sighting to Mufon, they called me and carefully got all the details.

Too many people, far and away more so qualified than myself, some to an absolute and undeniable level of expertise few scientists and technical practitioners will ever know, have testified to as much. I do not discount the possibility that these UFOs may be of human origin however, and honestly, I am one who hypothetically believes that this may be the missing "paranormal" link that serves to motivate an endless investigative stirring of the paranormal pot. That same second, third, and even many generations old, story based pot that we both enjoy indulging so much.
 
My question to you is sincerely, what about the buttload of experiential data? Certainly, devouring as much 2nd and 3rd party substantiated reporting as you have, you must be convicted with some degree of significance in as much to fully contend that we are in fact dealing with an anomalous (strictly to us, that is) portion of our observational and experiential based reality, for which we currently possess no working understanding.

Yes and no.

I think the concept of a working understanding is a subjective one. What you might well understand, academically or otherwise, another person might not. The two of you could observe the same phenomenon, or series of phenomena, and come away with two very different experiences, existentially and cosmically, based solely on your a priori knowledge. That is just one layer of the experience -- the intellectual. Emotional and perceptual (based on established worldview) are two more layers that would lead to differences in the experience the two of you would independently perceive while being exposed to the same phenomenon. While there may be a cosmic truth to the condition of the phenomenon, barring certain, strict controls, it's possible that neither of you might perceive it. The things that make the two of you who you are, intellectually, emotionally and perceptually, lead you to construct independent beliefs based on your observation.

What one person might see as a UFO, another person might see as a known, natural or man-made phenomenon. When reviewing the information second hand, especially in the absence of any tangible evidence, all of these layers fold in on themselves, and the effects of the intellectual, emotional and perceptual consciousness of the second hand experiencer are exponentially affective.

I am open to the idea that UFO's, as the fundamental idea, exist. The fundamental idea being something "unidentified." I believe people see things they don't understand as an individual. I'm open to the idea that people may see things that are unknown to all individuals, at this time. I think the latter is unlikely, given that so little has come from researching data, but I still accept it as an obvious possibility.

I think there is 0% chance that UFO's are related, in any way, to unknown intelligent entities. I think this based on my personal review of videos, photos, and narratives. I've yet to see the piece of video evidence that matches an experiencer's description of an object or its movements. They always seem to only catch objects when they're moving in unremarkable straight lines, or in patterns not unlike insects and/or other nature-based phenomena. Might the objects in these videos be something unknown? Sure. While being videotaped, however, they generally show no signs of having the need for human-brand intelligence to do what they're doing. I explained this part because you seem to be asking me what I believe.

To me, it's way more interesting exploring the subjective beliefs that an experiencer constructs following exposure to a phenomenon than it is to explore or debate the phenomenon itself. Without having been a part of the initial experience, it's basically impossible for me to explore the phenomenon. The subjective belief of the experiencer -- the narrative -- is a phenomenon, unto itself, that I can directly experience. I see the two phenomena as independent, conceptual entities.

For example, in regards to your personal experience, I have no more reason to disbelieve than I have to believe you. Believe meaning here that you are communicating a cosmically tangible experience you had with unaltered accuracy. Since I have no more reason to believe than I do to disbelieve, the point is somewhat moot. I could point out problems with the narrative of the experience, should there be any that I perceive, but it wouldn't be to debunk or disprove the experience. It would be to illustrate, mostly to myself, that something internal is taking place within the experiencer that caused or inspired them to create the narrative -- not something external, like a true-life experience (even if a true-life experience took place, but the narrative is pragmatically flawed, the inaccurate narrative is its own experiential entity, and its manifestation has a cause or inspiration). The internal phenomenon is much more interesting to me than any external one.

The performance mythology structure of the running paranormal narrative gives it a unique feel and method of consumption that makes everything even more interesting for me, as a whole.


In regards to the books, there a ton of those books in the libraries around here. Have you checked yours?
 
I'm not sure a lack of field research has a lot to do with lack of time. I think that flavour of interest in the subject is a specific thing, unto itself. I think the larger majority of the people who are interested in this stuff, even in this forum, are just more interested in stories, ideas, and the lure of mystery than investigation and field work.

Basically a confirmation of what I had just said. People are more interested in the "stories, ideas, and the lure of mystery than investigation and field work" because the stories provide instant gratification whereas field work sounds too much like ... well ... work. However you are also absolutely right that ufology can also be entertaining and rewarding in other ways too. It's what makes it so interesting. Underneath all the surface level entertainment, there is a genuine mystery surrounding real events that goes much deeper.
 
Basically a confirmation of what I had just said. People are more interested in the "stories, ideas, and the lure of mystery than investigation and field work" because the stories provide instant gratification whereas field work sounds too much like ... well ... work. However you are also absolutely right that ufology can also be entertaining and rewarding in other ways too. It's what makes it so interesting. Underneath all the surface level entertainment, there is a genuine mystery surrounding real events that goes much deeper.

Without the field worker there is no narrative to entertain or captivate. The researcher writer field investigator are the interpretive medium that renders first prison accounts, tabulates them, takes photos, pours casts and speculates for us armchair, late night radio listeners.

We step out into the night playing paranormal interviews on the iphone while we eye the moon through our telescope, thrilled by any sky phenomenon we witness, from saturn's rings to iridium satellites streaking brightly in a steady light line overhead.

I wish there were more brilliant, tireless investigators to bring me more narratives, and more speculative, creative thought about what the collaboration of their findings yield. Tell me more about the ultraterrestrials and how their holographic technology plays vdeo games in our heads, while visitors from parallel quantum settings appear in glass metallic crafts that dance better than hummingbirds on acid.
 
... I wish there were more brilliant, tireless investigators to bring me more narratives, and more speculative, creative thought about what the collaboration of their findings yield. Tell me more about the ultraterrestrials and how their holographic technology plays vdeo games in our heads, while visitors from parallel quantum settings appear in glass metallic crafts that dance better than hummingbirds on acid.

You've portrayed a far more romanticized version of events than what it's really like. Most of the actual sightings seem to be random events. I've spent many hours sky watching, but my UFO sighting happened when I was just hanging out with my girlfriend relaxing and listening to music. I do however still love to hear the stories of witnesses. They are the ones who I dedicate my work to.
 
I guess all I meant by my last sentence is that I would probably enjoy the subject of the paranormal a lot less if it were no longer composed of speculative narratives and lore -- if it were straight up science. I like narrative. I like the stuff that grows out of the seeds that are the old cases. I like listening to Brad Steiger, even though I think he makes things up off the top o his head. It doesn't matter to me if what he's saying is true, based on truth, or entirely invented.

Outside of my interest in the paranormal, an appreciation for "truth" and reality definitely define parts of my life and perception. When I question aspects of the paranormal, it's more so that I can understand the psychology of the participants in the developing narrative, rather than understand whether or not the narrative is based in fact. I'll point out things I think poke holes in the stability of the narrative, as a piece of nonfiction, but only to clear a path to discussing "why" someone might want to create the narrative in the first place.

I was recently listening to an old school Paracast episode from the Biedny days with Jim Moseley and Christopher Roth where they explored the sociocultural aspects of the phenomenon. At one point Moseley talked about a lawyer by the name of Koi who compiled a list of the top 100 UFO stories after supposedly reading over 900 books on the subject. There were few if any that came from the last two and a half decades. These older tales have accumulated a sense of lore about them, as the tapestry of UFO events are woven out of these early tales. Roswell is now more commodity than anything else.

Part of why the teller tells the tale is found in the commodification of the story, as there is always some form of power held in being the weaver at the loom. Moseley brought up how Marcel, key Roswell witness, had made other outlandish claims prior to the story of finding ET crashed remnants.

But surely the more interesting stories come from inexplicable tellers who are confused themselves by the experience. Betty and Barney Hill have also moved towards mythology, for much of their story serves as a strong example of the effects of culture on human psychology.

There is, however, much peculiarity about these types of cases that do suggest that these narratives rise up out of complex circumstances. Sometimes I like to 'believe' that these stories are indicative of our own limited understanding of consciousness and perception of reality, and that there is something to be learned from drilling down into the tale.
 
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