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First of all, Saddam was just one example. There's a couple hundred other governments out there. But I guess I get it. Saddam, despite his having intelligence assets to rely on, knew nothing about the "cover-up" yet somehow people at this forum do. Yep, makes sense.

Snark all you like, the fact remains if the threat to reveal intelligence of ANY sort could be used to stave off invasions/gain support for them we'd see it in use all the time. We don't. And even if we did it would be dismissed as meaningless propaganda. Eiteher way I don't think your theory has legs.
 
What cover ups do we know about definitively without a doubt?

Saddam is a good example because he was extra crazy, if he knew anything substantial he would've said something.

If other govts. had the knowledge then state secrets would always be released in situations like this. Look what happened when the Soviet Union collapsed, if they knew so much about us they could've told everyone on their way off the stage...

Uhh, yeah. That's basically what I've been arguing the whole time. They don't know about it because there's nothing to know.
 
Uhh, yeah. That's basically what I've been arguing the whole time. They don't know about it because there's nothing to know.


My point is that Saddam doesn't know anything, if there was any top secret UFO info he wouldn't know. Even the Soviets wouldn't know the extent of the program if we had one. Or as has been said earlier, that is not how the game is played.

There is plenty of sensitive govt. information that NEVER arises during wars and invasions. Just because this info doesn't see the light of day doesn't mean it doesn't exist...
 
My point is that Saddam doesn't know anything, if there was any top secret UFO info he wouldn't know. Even the Soviets wouldn't know the extent of the program if we had one. Or as has been said earlier, that is not how the game is played.

There is plenty of sensitive govt. information that NEVER arises during wars and invasions. Just because this info doesn't see the light of day doesn't mean it doesn't exist...

The soviets fully infiltrated our nuclear program. Why wouldn't they be able to find out about that?
 
The soviets fully infiltrated our nuclear program. Why wouldn't they be able to find out about that?


Obviously because the space brothers prevented it man...they knew the soviets were evil...


In all seriousness though if there was any kind of correlation between release of intelligence information and government collapses it would happen all the time. So then maybe its just not how the game is played....
 
Obviously because the space brothers prevented it man...they knew the soviets were evil...


In all seriousness though if there was any kind of correlation between release of intelligence information and government collapses it would happen all the time. So then maybe its just not how the game is played....

There's a difference between very technical state secrets and juicy tidbits about a global conspiracy that would be the grandest of all time. If I had info about that I would definitely use it against them.
 
you're WRONG about ufo cults.

well, most of them ARE in fact BORING and tame.

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Obviously because the space brothers prevented it man...they knew the soviets were evil...


In all seriousness though if there was any kind of correlation between release of intelligence information and government collapses it would happen all the time. So then maybe its just not how the game is played....
Obviously because the space brothers prevented it man...they knew the soviets were evil...


In all seriousness though if there was any kind of correlation between release of intelligence information and government collapses it would happen all the time. So then maybe its just not how the game is played....

it's just human evolution: and we know who wants to INSIST that there is and never could be any such animal as evolution.

it's human SOCIAL evolution, and the Egyptian development of 2011 is still developing! crucial to it: the Bush Boys, the Reagan Team, and ALL THOSE YUMMY SECRETS. All the lies that must be told to maintain "freedom" and "a free world"? it is societal evolution.


yes, this is a theory. but not about a conspiracy per se. it's a theory that people in the United States are simply placated by LIES as a general form of government. What if Americans were to rise up today and decide that we were tired of being lied to? Well, STUPID Americans would decide that newcomer Barack Obama HAD TO GO, and maybe would clot Pennsylvania Av by tens of thousands, pooping on the rose gardens and basically making a big stink until something different happened...that would be STUPID Americans.


Much more logical to go after the MUCH OLDER and therefore FRIGHTENING "players" who have been working hard to keep secrets for DECADES...going back to an ugly area: the way that the United States in history resembles the actions of Nazi Germany against Jewry. Anyone may deny this statement. The reservations are what they were, however, that's concrete -- and it requires a form of SELF LYING for people to pretend that the reservations are anything other than what they are, and what they represent. A form of self lying that those who have pledged Allegiance to Republic are amazingly skilled at. How DARE you question the Republic and its values...



it's societal evolution when people want REAL freedom, not simply the gentle police state and honored and respected tanks of the recent semi-revolution...


State secrets privilege

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The state secrets privilege is an evidentiary rule created by United States legal precedent. Application of the privilege results in exclusion of evidence from a legal case based solely on affidavits submitted by the government stating that court proceedings might disclose sensitive information which might endanger national security.<sup id="cite_ref-Carrie_Newton_Lyons_0-0" class="reference">[1]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-Executive_Misconduct_1-0" class="reference">[2]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-El-Masri_Rendition_Case_2-0" class="reference">[3]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-Julie_Hilden_3-0" class="reference">[4]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-Glenn_Greenwald_4-0" class="reference">[5]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-Andrew_Zajac_5-0" class="reference">[6]</sup> United States v. Reynolds,<sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference">[7]</sup> which involved military secrets, was the first case that saw formal recognition of the privilege.
Following a claim of "state secrets privilege", the court rarely conducts an in camera examination of the evidence to evaluate whether there is sufficient cause to support the use of this doctrine. This results in court rulings in which even the judge has not verified the veracity of the assertion.<sup id="cite_ref-Carrie_Newton_Lyons_0-1" class="reference">[1]</sup> The privileged material is completely removed from the litigation, and the court must determine how the unavailability of the privileged information affects the case.<sup id="cite_ref-El-Masri_Rendition_Case_2-1" class="reference">[3]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-Glenn_Greenwald_4-1" class="reference">[5]</sup>


Function

The purpose of the state secrets privilege is to prevent courts from revealing state secrets in the course of civil litigation (in criminal cases, the Classified Information Procedures Act serves the same purpose). The government may intervene in any civil suit, including when it is not a party to the litigation, to ask the court to exclude state secrets evidence. While the courts may examine such evidence closely, in practice they generally defer to the Executive Branch. Once the court has agreed that evidence is subject to the state secrets privilege, it is excluded from the litigation. Often, as a practical matter, the plaintiff cannot continue the suit without the privileged information, and drops the case. Recently, courts have been more inclined to dismiss cases outright, if the subject matter of the case is a state secret.
Distinguished from other legal doctrines

The state secrets privilege is related to, but distinct from, several other legal doctrines: the principle of non-justiciability in certain cases involving state secrets (the so-called "Totten Rule")<sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference">[8]</sup>; certain prohibitions on the publication of classified information (as in New York Times Co. v. United States, the Pentagon Papers case); and the use of classified information in criminal cases (governed by the Classified Information Procedures Act).
History

Origins

The doctrine was effectively imported from British law which has a similar privilege.<sup id="cite_ref-Carrie_Newton_Lyons_0-2" class="reference">[1]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-Executive_Misconduct_1-1" class="reference">[2]</sup> It is debatable whether the state secrets privilege is based upon the President's powers as commander-in-chief and leader of foreign affairs (as suggested in United States v. Nixon) or derived from the idea of separation of powers (as suggested in United States v. Reynolds)<sup id="cite_ref-Carrie_Newton_Lyons_0-3" class="reference">[1]</sup> It seems that the US privilege "has its initial roots in Aaron Burr's trial for treason." In this case, it was alleged that a letter from General James Wilkinson to President Thomas Jefferson might contain state secrets and could therefore not be divulged without risk to national security.<sup id="cite_ref-Carrie_Newton_Lyons_0-4" class="reference">[1]

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can you go against that?
if you wanna pass notes until you die, fine.
the system has tools for that, right in front of you.

but if what you want to know about is deemed a "state secret" -- a "law" on the books since Aaron Burr walked the Earth -- a law that was taken from the monarchy that Americans originally rebelled against!--

definitely, this denial of factual understanding of things for the American people is grounds for revolt. Reform could happen, but imagine the denial level by level. "we can't discuss this." "there is No Such Agency."


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