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9/11 Experiments: The Great Thermate Debate

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Today Rikki and I watched the triutes. As the names were read we agreed. Those who died deserve better..they deserve better than to be used to start two wars..they deserve better than a rushed report that missed the loss of WTC 3 thu 7. They deserve the truth. The events of sept 11th 2001 was wrong on so many levels. And unanswered questions.
Peace
Bob and Rikki
 
pickles said:
Facts suck, don't they?

Imagine you voted Obama twice.

This is why people like you are happy that real names aren't required on the Internet. One phone call to your employer (should you have one) recounting this abject stupidity would be enough.
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Facts don't suck at all.
I voted against democrats, republicans and all incumbents in the last 4 elections.
My real name is easily obtainable by a child with average intelligence.
I am self employed, I have a graphic design/photography business and also have owned and operated a tae kwon do studio for 23 years.
Today is my cats birthday. He was born as the towers were being demolished. I named him Jet.
 
lancemoody said:
Just to underline one of the willingly idiotic comments above: comparing the B-25 Empire State building crash to the WTC crashes.

Some facts:

(approximations)

B-25

Wingspan: 67ft
Length: 52ft
Weight Empty: 20,000 lbs
Weight Takeoff: 34,000lbs
Fuel Capacity: 974 Gallons

767

Wingspan: 156ft
Length:180ft
Weight Empty: 189,000 lbs.
Weight takeoff: 350,000lbs
Fuel Capacity: 16,700 Gallons

It is hard to overstate the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the kind of person who would compare the two as though they were apple to apples.

Lance
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I have been inside, under and walked around B25's. That plane would be lucky to knock down any commercial building.
Maybe a 3 story one at best. Possibly an outhouse.
 
Do you people who believe the Official 9/11 Commission Report actually drive cars and do stuff like normal people? ;)
 
Let's wait for "High Rise Demolition Engineers for 9/11 Truth". No point in just anyone who can sketch a 7/11 being consulted about 9/11...

And by "normal", I meant, "not under the impression that everything wrong in the world is a Communist Nazi Zionist Bilderberger Trilateral Reptilian Illuminati Skull-and-Bones Masonic No Homers plot". ( I apologize if I left anyone out. Oh, yeah, "Methodists"!) Someone who recognizes that the US Government does not *always* lie, that there would be no point in lying if they did, that not everything bad that happens is a false flag, that pulling 9/11 on purpose is a lot of risk for people already in no danger of missing meals... That contrails are contrails are contrails, and that HAARP may be able to slightly warm the upper atmosphere, but not cause earthquakes tens of miles deep in the Earth... and that sometimes the evil really *is* done by the evil people.
 
Pygar2 said:
Let's wait for "High Rise Demolition Engineers for 9/11 Truth". No point in just anyone who can sketch a 7/11 being consulted about 9/11...

And by "normal", I meant, "not under the impression that everything wrong in the world is a Communist Nazi Zionist Bilderberger Trilateral Reptilian Illuminati Skull-and-Bones Masonic No Homers plot". ( I apologize if I left anyone out. Oh, yeah, "Methodists"!) Someone who recognizes that the US Government does not *always* lie, that there would be no point in lying if they did, that not everything bad that happens is a false flag, that pulling 9/11 on purpose is a lot of risk for people already in no danger of missing meals... That contrails are contrails are contrails, and that HAARP may be able to slightly warm the upper atmosphere, but not cause earthquakes tens of miles deep in the Earth... and that sometimes the evil really *is* done by the evil people.
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What color is the easter bunny in your world?
 
It's funny that this thread has now devolved into name calling, I guess when your evidence of a conspiracy is that weak, you really have nothing left to present except lame jokes about zombies and the Easter Bunny. Yeah, those damn people who don't believe in a conspiracy, what with their pesky physics and mathematics and not jumping to ridiculous conclusions of government plots because things supposedly look weird! Clearly, they're the crazy ones!:rolleyes:
 
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Muadib said:
It's funny that this thread has now devolved into basically name calling, I guess when your evidence of a conspiracy is that weak, you really have nothing left to present except lame jokes about zombies and the Easter Bunny. Yeah, those damn people who don't believe in a conspiracy, what with their pesky physics and mathematics and not jumping to ridiculous conclusions of government plots because things supposedly look weird! Clearly, they're the crazy ones!:rolleyes:
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When someone is called a "truther" which has become a derogatory term it devolves a topic. Some one who seeks truth rather than accept the wild explanations and omissions of the official report should be respected. Our so called skeptics here should be ashamed.
 
A few seconds of burning jet fuel can not melt structural steel. period. burning jet fuel can not create thermite chips in dust.
A challenge to the so called skeptics here... show me just ONE other building in the history of mankind that fell just like those 3 towers... from a fire. I will wait.
 
pixelsmith said:
When someone is called a "truther" which has become a derogatory term it devolves a topic. Some one who seeks truth rather than accept the wild explanations and omissions of the official report should be respected. Our so called skeptics here should be ashamed.
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The idea that you're simply "seeking the truth" is total nonsense. If you were really after the truth, you might take a look at all of the sane, logical and scientific answers to the supposed "unanswered" questions about 9/11 and actually consider them, before just writing them off and repeating your usual conspiracy talking points ad infinity.

No, you aren't seeking truth, you're seeking converts and confirmation of what you already believe to be true. You're also seeking to denigrate and dismiss anyone who doesn't fall in line with the Pixelsmith view of the world. Pretty much your usual modus operandi. Truth is the last thing you're looking for, because you can't handle any truth that doesn't line up with your ready made conspiracy view of the world.

pixelsmith said:
A few seconds of burning jet fuel can not melt structural steel. period. burning jet fuel can not create thermite chips in dust.
A challenge to the so called skeptics here... show me just ONE other building in the history of mankind that fell just like those 3 towers... from a fire. I will wait.
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Lmao. More conspiracy talking points. You know the steel didn't have to melt, it only had to weaken and you also know that those fires burned a lot longer than a few seconds before the buildings collapsed. You know that there's no proof of thermite chips in the WTC dust because we've been over this, here's another little refresher:
Niels Harrit and Steven Jones, along with several coauthors, published the “peer-reviewed” paper “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal (Harrit 2009). This article does not make the case for thermite use on 9/11. The paper examined “distinctive red/gray chips” found in WTC dust (unfortunately, with no chain of custody for the dust), and these were claimed to be thermitic because of their composition (iron oxides and pure aluminum) and other chemical properties. However, the presence of rust and aluminum does not prove the use of thermite, because iron oxide and aluminum are found in many common items that existed in the towers. Furthermore, the authors admit that their “differential scanning calorimeter” measurements of the supposed thermitic material showed results at about 450 degrees C below the temperature at which normal thermite reacts (Fana 2006). Finally, the scan of the red side of the “thermitic material” of Harrit/Jones is a dead-on match to material Jones himself identified as “WTC Steel Primer Paint” in his Hard Evidence Down Under Tour in November of 2009

Harrit’s article describes the red portion of the chips as “unreacted thermitic material.” But while thermite may be slow, it does not stop its reaction once it has begun. Because thermite supplies its own oxygen (via iron oxides), it can even burn underwater. Suggesting that the samples show partially reacted thermite is preposterous. Claiming that thermite would explain molten pools of steel weeks and months after the attack is equally preposterous.
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Constantly repeating the same conspiracy tropes about 9/11 isn't doing you any favors, if anything it shows just how weak your argument really is, because you have nothing but the same talking points and generalizations, over and over again, even when presented with iron clad evidence to the contrary as has happened many times in this thread. You aren't interested in truth at all, if anyone should be ashamed, it's you.
 
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Interestingly enough, all of the supposed "truth seekers" in this thread missed a very big point that also provides a further logical answer to why this has never happened before, besides the fact that commercial jets filled with fuel slamming into buildings has never happened before. You can find it in an article I posted earlier, but I'll repost the relevant part here:

Had the buildings been constructed differently (the Port Authority was allowed to circumvent some existing New York buildings requirements for the Towers), the collapses might not have even happened (Young 2007).

Shouldn't that be a point of contention? Read it again, the buildings might not have fallen if they would've just followed the existing New York building code. Isn't that a far more likely explanation of why the buildings fell, rather than "the gubmint filled it with thermite?" Shouldn't that make you angry, the fact that it may be the case that all of those people in the towers and the first responders may have died simply because the Port Authority wanted to save a couple of bucks on construction? If you were actually after the truth, and not just confirmation of your own beliefs, that should be a major issue, but people who believe in the 9/11 conspiracy just seem to gloss right over it, I wonder why that is? Perhaps because it doesn't confirm your already fervent belief in grand government conspiracies, or perhaps because it would lead to you having to admit that there was no need for high explosives or thermite or whatever to bring those buildings down? Oh well, so much for the truth.
 
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Muadib you didn't show us any other concrete and steel structured building in the history of mankind that has fallen due to fire. To which you will reply "no other building have been impacted by passenger planes before" blah blah blah.... and you will dismiss building 7.... yawn.
 
I get all kinds of warm feeling when I see this thread update.
Watching the video of the Twin Towers collapse the other day, I paid close attention to the fact that both building collapsed "from the top", exactly as expected when the top floors collapse on the 79th. Should they have been wired for demolition, the rig would have had to be set on or near the "planned" point of impact. The pilots would have to be aware(agree) to a point of impact, to mask the demolition.
A plan of this magnitude could not be pulled off, in the real world. Had there been any type of intervention, even a simple delay in flight, causing the pilots(hijackers) to miss their que... The whole operation would have failed. I hardly think it unreasonable to come to the conclusion that when one floor became too unstable to support the weight of twenty floors above, the result would be exactly as it was. Now, if you want to make a case for the many details left out of the report(#7) you certainly have my attention.
 
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