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Wade
FeralNormal master
I suppose this could be considered a cross post as I just posted it in another thread but I would also like to insert it here as the forum thread took a bit of a turn and I think it's revelent. I keep promising myself to start a thread on beliefs and why or why not and some inconvenient truths . I like this forum and I while I find value in the postings of people with opposite views I don't necessarily find the need to debate or explain to others why I feel the way I do I DO feel a need to explain to justify or explain to myself some things and for that reason I find value in other beliefs even though they do not mirror mine as they could help me navigate through my own belief system
this is a very cool message as even as a youth i was 'smart" enough to realize that in just about any religion there was a lot of incompatability not only within that religion, but w/many other religions as well, but i felt a need to "belong" to some group (even looked at zoroastrainism) sometimes i still feel that way, but i figure just trying to honor the Golden Rule is good enough, regardless of a person's religion. i still like to think there is SOME reward to people who have spent their lifetime doing good works, and i'd like to think there is a unpleasant surprise waiting for those who have perverted TGR (you know who you are) it doesn't take a genius to see that there are many people who Profess to a certain faith ( i'll tread carefully here) that i have to deem not worthy of my or anyone else's respect. I have this innate necessity to find a balance in anything and that usually starts with need to explain to myself (first and foremost) why I believe what I do. That could make me a good candidate for buddhism but I think a good buddhist would have an issue with my previous statement about respect.Their position would probably be "they are what they are" I felt a good distinction would be having a faith versus having a religion but even having a strong faith...on anything...could lead one astray. It all comes down to good character I guess, You either have it in you or you don't and if you don't , may you acquire it. I said it in another post and I'll mention it again, ah the human condition
this is a very cool message as even as a youth i was 'smart" enough to realize that in just about any religion there was a lot of incompatability not only within that religion, but w/many other religions as well, but i felt a need to "belong" to some group (even looked at zoroastrainism) sometimes i still feel that way, but i figure just trying to honor the Golden Rule is good enough, regardless of a person's religion. i still like to think there is SOME reward to people who have spent their lifetime doing good works, and i'd like to think there is a unpleasant surprise waiting for those who have perverted TGR (you know who you are) it doesn't take a genius to see that there are many people who Profess to a certain faith ( i'll tread carefully here) that i have to deem not worthy of my or anyone else's respect. I have this innate necessity to find a balance in anything and that usually starts with need to explain to myself (first and foremost) why I believe what I do. That could make me a good candidate for buddhism but I think a good buddhist would have an issue with my previous statement about respect.Their position would probably be "they are what they are" I felt a good distinction would be having a faith versus having a religion but even having a strong faith...on anything...could lead one astray. It all comes down to good character I guess, You either have it in you or you don't and if you don't , may you acquire it. I said it in another post and I'll mention it again, ah the human condition
tyder001
Paranormal Adept
I have studied some on Buddhism and I have tried and enjoyed meditation. I do agree that all religions have their good and bad points. I think fanatism blinds people. I have been struck at the similarity between the mystics of Buddhism and the mystics of Christianity. I have also been struck by the research of folks with DMT and I really do think the brain is a machine that modulates our small view of a greater reality.
Oh steve what am i going to do with you, you coy boy
And for the record i worked for 15 years for the new south wales dept of health, in its sesahs unit
Hospitals
Including the royal hospital for women, royal prince alfred campus, randwick campus , st george campus and sutherland campus, as well as the palliative care hospital at kogarah , calvary hospital (run by nuns of the Little Company of Mary )
I have indeed gowned up for the operating theatre many times, and indeed worked with and ate lunch with clinicians of just about every stripe you could care to name.
Clearly im an expert and you are not
Now run along steve, your betters have spoken
And for the record i worked for 15 years for the new south wales dept of health, in its sesahs unit
Hospitals
Including the royal hospital for women, royal prince alfred campus, randwick campus , st george campus and sutherland campus, as well as the palliative care hospital at kogarah , calvary hospital (run by nuns of the Little Company of Mary )
I have indeed gowned up for the operating theatre many times, and indeed worked with and ate lunch with clinicians of just about every stripe you could care to name.
Clearly im an expert and you are not
Now run along steve, your betters have spoken
tyder001
Paranormal Adept
I'm writing this while watching the video. Great questions. Acutally, the belief that I have now is not the faith of my parents or the culture I was born into. However, the side issues are indeed heavily influenced by the place and time and culture I grew up in. I believe in reincarnation and Karma and yet I was absolutely not born into a family or culture that supports it. Still, I also struggle with the faith of my youth and I have to admit I incoporate that. Kind of part of the human condiction I guess.
Wade
FeralNormal master
DMT !!!!!! Now that is a subject I can get into. Now let me ask you this, being I'm not one to enjoy putting a foreign substance in my body ive considering taking up kundalini yoga, ( I guess to harnass the precursors to dmt that are said to reside at the base of our spine and in the pineal gland .But ive been made to understand it's not the same thing. Do you have any insight on that?
tyder001
Paranormal Adept
This video while thought provoking also made me think of something else. I once attended a political rally by John Glenn. He was telling a story of a time when he was so sure of "His wisdom" He started to fume and said to his wife "What am I gonna do about all these idiots?" She smiled and said "Honey, there might be one more idiot here than you are aware of." 
Cool guy and one of my childhood heros.
Cool guy and one of my childhood heros.
Wade
FeralNormal master
Yeah, I have the pdf of the spirit molecule (haven't started on it yet) and I saw some video on the same subject with the same title I downloaded from google video. I am keen on exploring the substance but I don't feel like experiencing the purging that comes from hyuahasca (spl.) or the yamomami method of shooting the snuff up into my nasal cavity. I'd rather take the wussy way out (kundalini) if it achieved the same objective which I guess is open to interpretation
tyder001
Paranormal Adept
Yeah, I feel the same way these days about putting stuff into my body. I will say that I bought some Melatonin at the local pharmacy and talk about vivid dreams. 
But, then my body seemed to adjust and my dream cycle returned to normal or at least more of "my" natural state. I saw an old show once where somebody experimented with Ayahuasca and it was really something.
But, then my body seemed to adjust and my dream cycle returned to normal or at least more of "my" natural state. I saw an old show once where somebody experimented with Ayahuasca and it was really something.
stonehart
Paranormal Adept
Dog is God spelled backwards. So, I'd watch that darned cat.
Sorry man I could not resist
Kim323
Paranormal Maven
I've been a loyal listener of The Paracast since its inception, and a member of the forum since 2006. So, I didn't just sign up. Nor did I sign up and start doing all that is alleged. I believe in civil discussion and debate, and I think I tried hard to engage in it over the course of several threads on religion, which, as I've said many times before, were really about Judaism and Christianity, and about Christian and Jews.
My memory is that the first thread had to do with Jesus's life here on earth, the historical Jesus. And that's what I stuck to, and addressed other aspects of Judaism and Christianity as they appeared in threads. I think a fundamental falsity here is that I was pushing my Christianity. During the course of those threads, I would try and try to stay on the historical aspects of Judaism and Christianity, and yes, I can be pedantic, but I was dealing with such a flurry of overwhelming "views" of the history of those two faiths, and of history in general, that I had to present evidence of what really happened in history, and I think I had a right to correct some very glaring and specific errors in history that were being flung about.
But just saying that leaves me open to the Kim-knows-it-all charge. But, there are facts of history, and it's that simple sometimes, or rather, it's that complex oftentimes. But by that time, the "discussion" had deteriorated to yes, name calling and invective by a small core group of members who were out to vilify Judaism/Old Testament and Christianity/New Testament. And this wasn't limited to Judaism and Christianity of antiquity. It very, very quickly became an active derision in very harsh terms of current Judaism and Christianity, and of the overwhelming and very specific acts that were being committed in modern times by members of those faiths in very harsh language, often in vulgar and profane terms that alleged, well, I had a list of them, but I deleted them.
Was I frustrated? Yes. The threads were overwhelmingly dominated by cut and paste and videos that were quite inflammatory. I should have known it was a losing battle sooner, and later learned that some posters were very practiced veterans of this method of "discussion." So, I resorted to the only thing I had: my very real knowledge of history. Yes, I got quite frustrated, and I at times was sarcastic, chiding, lecturing, pointing out the intellectual dishonesty of this method of discourse, and it was very overwhelming. And at times I would use facetiousness and humor and subtlety in my posts, but that didn't work, either. So, yes, I should have quit far earlier, but I kept thinking, wait, why should I succumb to this vitriol, why shouldn't I continue to present facts? So, I persevered.
Am I guilty of pedanticism, chiding, facetiousness, sarcasm at times, frustration, repetition, and lecturing? Yes. But I DID, indisputably, stick to EVIDENCE and FACTS of history in those threads, and when repeated inquiries about the specifics of my "creator god" came up, I'd avoid them. I did later in the discussion present some of my actual spiritual beliefs, but pointed out that there was no empirical evidence of those.
In other threads more recently on other topics I stuck also to facts and evidence, whether on consciousness, ancient architectural wonders, intelligent extraterrestrials, etc. I never categorically insisted that there were no intelligent extraterrestrials, but I offered evidence why I thought there probably were not. Now, I'm sure if my posts are culled for out of context quotes, I can be made to appear any way someone wants me to appear.
I've recommended a lot of books I've read on many topics.
I'm not saying I can't be insufferable sometimes. But, really, consider the provocation. I think in the onslaught of it all I conducted myself rather well in demeanor and in presentation of evidence.
But I'm darned if I do, darned if I don't. A very recent example is the thread on nuclear power plants. The thread had been dominated by horror stories of the crisis in Japan, very accurately so, but it shifted quite markedly to a blanket condemnation of American nuclear plants and condemnation in some rather candid terms, shall we say, of the people running them, who were misplacing fuel rods, and on and on.
I committed a horrific mistake when I entered that thread very late in its lifespan: I actually said that I had sons with advanced degrees in engineering from prestigious universities (ok, there was some fatherly pride there, but it was also to buttress my points, and why can I not present evidence, why am I being so vilified for putting forth evidence on many topics in this forum?). One of them has worked for years in fossil fuel and nuclear plants, and I ran past him some of the things said on that thread concerning American plants. I presented that evidence, perhaps too pedantically, but the way that thread was going it sounded to me like any members living near American nuclear plants should run screaming out of their houses and buy potassium iodide. Uh, oh, the reception I received for quoting an actual nuclear systems engineer who had also trained military personnel, uh oh, mistake, Kim.
My Christianity was thrown in my face, but that was nothing new, and ironic since I had never pushed that per se at all. One member, as I remember, who had not posted in that thread, came in just to taunt. And then my profession as a teacher was ridiculed. This happened in other threads, too. And all for presenting evidence contrary to the prevailing opinion: and this is true of many topics on this forum. There is a core small group who cannot stand being presented with contrary evidence, evidence that is actually backed up. And ironically, I notice that the "pack" referred to often doesn't hesitate to go after each other when not engaged in a communal "circle jerk" regarding me. Those last two phrases I quote from an eminent scholar (truly, he is!) who got in the middle of this thread and has received some real flak, and I am sorry for that for him. He is an esteemed person with a big heart indeed.
So, I see I have written another masters thesis, but I came into this thread because, really, why was it started in the first place? I don't know, it just seems rather bizarre. And I came in because a great guy was catching flak because of me.
And regarding the paranormal: why would I have joined the forum in 2006 and posted about forty something posts in all those years since then and what, a couple of months ago I come in and think I have something to offer on the Jesus thread, and those couple of months in all those long years prove what an awful presence I've been here? That I just signed up and came in to create havoc and misery for those used to having civil discussions? That's some stretch there.
I know, I'm going to catch holy heck for writing this, but I am not angry, I've said many times that the taunts and vitriol don't bother me any more. They shocked me at first, yes, but then I realized the this is par for the course here sometimes. Kim
My memory is that the first thread had to do with Jesus's life here on earth, the historical Jesus. And that's what I stuck to, and addressed other aspects of Judaism and Christianity as they appeared in threads. I think a fundamental falsity here is that I was pushing my Christianity. During the course of those threads, I would try and try to stay on the historical aspects of Judaism and Christianity, and yes, I can be pedantic, but I was dealing with such a flurry of overwhelming "views" of the history of those two faiths, and of history in general, that I had to present evidence of what really happened in history, and I think I had a right to correct some very glaring and specific errors in history that were being flung about.
But just saying that leaves me open to the Kim-knows-it-all charge. But, there are facts of history, and it's that simple sometimes, or rather, it's that complex oftentimes. But by that time, the "discussion" had deteriorated to yes, name calling and invective by a small core group of members who were out to vilify Judaism/Old Testament and Christianity/New Testament. And this wasn't limited to Judaism and Christianity of antiquity. It very, very quickly became an active derision in very harsh terms of current Judaism and Christianity, and of the overwhelming and very specific acts that were being committed in modern times by members of those faiths in very harsh language, often in vulgar and profane terms that alleged, well, I had a list of them, but I deleted them.
Was I frustrated? Yes. The threads were overwhelmingly dominated by cut and paste and videos that were quite inflammatory. I should have known it was a losing battle sooner, and later learned that some posters were very practiced veterans of this method of "discussion." So, I resorted to the only thing I had: my very real knowledge of history. Yes, I got quite frustrated, and I at times was sarcastic, chiding, lecturing, pointing out the intellectual dishonesty of this method of discourse, and it was very overwhelming. And at times I would use facetiousness and humor and subtlety in my posts, but that didn't work, either. So, yes, I should have quit far earlier, but I kept thinking, wait, why should I succumb to this vitriol, why shouldn't I continue to present facts? So, I persevered.
Am I guilty of pedanticism, chiding, facetiousness, sarcasm at times, frustration, repetition, and lecturing? Yes. But I DID, indisputably, stick to EVIDENCE and FACTS of history in those threads, and when repeated inquiries about the specifics of my "creator god" came up, I'd avoid them. I did later in the discussion present some of my actual spiritual beliefs, but pointed out that there was no empirical evidence of those.
In other threads more recently on other topics I stuck also to facts and evidence, whether on consciousness, ancient architectural wonders, intelligent extraterrestrials, etc. I never categorically insisted that there were no intelligent extraterrestrials, but I offered evidence why I thought there probably were not. Now, I'm sure if my posts are culled for out of context quotes, I can be made to appear any way someone wants me to appear.
I've recommended a lot of books I've read on many topics.
I'm not saying I can't be insufferable sometimes. But, really, consider the provocation. I think in the onslaught of it all I conducted myself rather well in demeanor and in presentation of evidence.
But I'm darned if I do, darned if I don't. A very recent example is the thread on nuclear power plants. The thread had been dominated by horror stories of the crisis in Japan, very accurately so, but it shifted quite markedly to a blanket condemnation of American nuclear plants and condemnation in some rather candid terms, shall we say, of the people running them, who were misplacing fuel rods, and on and on.
I committed a horrific mistake when I entered that thread very late in its lifespan: I actually said that I had sons with advanced degrees in engineering from prestigious universities (ok, there was some fatherly pride there, but it was also to buttress my points, and why can I not present evidence, why am I being so vilified for putting forth evidence on many topics in this forum?). One of them has worked for years in fossil fuel and nuclear plants, and I ran past him some of the things said on that thread concerning American plants. I presented that evidence, perhaps too pedantically, but the way that thread was going it sounded to me like any members living near American nuclear plants should run screaming out of their houses and buy potassium iodide. Uh, oh, the reception I received for quoting an actual nuclear systems engineer who had also trained military personnel, uh oh, mistake, Kim.
My Christianity was thrown in my face, but that was nothing new, and ironic since I had never pushed that per se at all. One member, as I remember, who had not posted in that thread, came in just to taunt. And then my profession as a teacher was ridiculed. This happened in other threads, too. And all for presenting evidence contrary to the prevailing opinion: and this is true of many topics on this forum. There is a core small group who cannot stand being presented with contrary evidence, evidence that is actually backed up. And ironically, I notice that the "pack" referred to often doesn't hesitate to go after each other when not engaged in a communal "circle jerk" regarding me. Those last two phrases I quote from an eminent scholar (truly, he is!) who got in the middle of this thread and has received some real flak, and I am sorry for that for him. He is an esteemed person with a big heart indeed.
So, I see I have written another masters thesis, but I came into this thread because, really, why was it started in the first place? I don't know, it just seems rather bizarre. And I came in because a great guy was catching flak because of me.
And regarding the paranormal: why would I have joined the forum in 2006 and posted about forty something posts in all those years since then and what, a couple of months ago I come in and think I have something to offer on the Jesus thread, and those couple of months in all those long years prove what an awful presence I've been here? That I just signed up and came in to create havoc and misery for those used to having civil discussions? That's some stretch there.
I know, I'm going to catch holy heck for writing this, but I am not angry, I've said many times that the taunts and vitriol don't bother me any more. They shocked me at first, yes, but then I realized the this is par for the course here sometimes. Kim
