And "The Falcon" Is

[Sentry]

Can't say in certainty of detail...

C'mon, we're just talkin' here. Give us a couple of examples of UFO stuff you think were likely espionage plays. Bonus points awarded for objectives and target details!

 

[Walter Bosley]

Certainty of detail means just that. I don't know. I know how the programs and operational strategies and tactics work, but I personally wasn't involved with any disinfo op related to the UFO world.

 

[trainedobserver]

It would hard for anyone to convince me that the UFO "problem" of non-correlated targets is not a real concern for the military all around the world. It seems like part of the play in the UFO community by Intelligence over the years has been to project doubt, fear, and time wasting concerns onto the enemie's psyche concerning UFOs and their possible origins. It's the magician's trick of misdirection. Its the feint within a feint. That fringe groups and their concerns have been the play ground of foreign espionage interests is a given. The UFO community isn't an exception and has been utilized by numerous groups and organizations over the years for their own agendas. Whether that was some philosophical bullshit like Adamski's nonsense that couldn't find an audience anywhere else or pseudo-religious/political messages there is always someone doing something they shouldn't in the pool. The water is pretty murky as a result, which I would say is one of the main goals.

 

[Sentry]

It seems like part of the play in the UFO community by Intelligence over the years has been to project doubt, fear, and time wasting concerns onto the enemie's psyche concerning UFOs and their possible origins. It's the magician's trick of misdirection.

Walter won't play along, but maybe you will. I'll start things rolling by saying that during the Cold War, we were sending RPVs (remotely piloted vehicles at the time, basically small remote-controlled planes) into enemy airspace for surveillance purposes and to sometimes disable radar stations. The U.S. was perfectly happy to let these flights be attributed to UFOs, but I have no evidence to show that they actively encouraged these mistakes.

 

[trainedobserver]

Walter won't play along, but maybe you will. I'll start things rolling by saying that during the Cold War, we were sending RPVs (remotely piloted vehicles at the time, basically small remote-controlled planes) into enemy airspace for surveillance purposes and to sometimes disable radar stations. The U.S. was perfectly happy to let these flights be attributed to UFOs, but I have no evidence to show that they actively encouraged these mistakes.

We have to establish what we are talking about. UFOs are Unidentified Flying Objects and not Extraterrestrial vehicles. An Extraterrestrial vehicle would be an IFO. I think it is reasonable to assume that they did not encourage a positive or correct identification of these flyovers. Did they want the Russians to think there were Flying Saucers from who knows where tooling around in the atmosphere? Well, they did release a news flash in 1947 that they had recovered a Flying Saucer didn't they? I don't think that was done on a whim or from the misidentification of a radar target.

 

[mike]

Its a twisted web thats for sure.
Im still of the opinion there have been a few cases where the flight characteristics were well beyond those of any current human technology/propulsion systems.

Piggybacking our own secret programs to this makes perfect sense, there are several obvious advantages, and no real drawbacks that i can see.



Using the confusion that surrounds "real" UFO's as a cloak makes tactical sense as does using seasoned intel assets to manage the process

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Spot on UFO does not suggest ET ! Also USA is not the only place the hall of mirrors of ufology is played through out the Cold War in any state. First the so called Falcon was one of many names used by all of those inter-connected groups which have links to all three military services from any state. Majority of the UFO would more likely man made military experiments and Walter has seen one element of the hall of mirrors while serving his nation. Like many ex-servicemen and women from all aspect of military or civilian operational areas enter another hall of mirrors which keep in contact with links to former service but are classified as out of the loop. Depending on the level that you were in for example foot solider, officer, commander, political arm your level to the hall of mirrors changes and so does the privileges in retirement or non -operational status. Sometimes a person or persons stumble on something which is national security threat and don't blame any military service in polluting the so called UFO field in protecting state technology developments in times of war on any element political system takes a back seat. Ufology stage actors are used as any other community hobby or political groups by spook machine and should be expected. Cult of Ufology is manipulated by all actors to suit their agenda and those in Ufology demand for their governments or defense for to come clean with their so called secrets are living in another world never happen. Those in this Falcon group are one of many of Cold War hall of mirrors operational social groups which meet for cigar and bourbon chats.

 

[trainedobserver]

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Im still of the opinion there have been a few cases where the flight characteristics were well beyond those of any current human technology/propulsion systems.
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Using the confusion that surrounds "real" UFO's as a cloak makes tactical sense as does using seasoned intel assets to manage the process

The folks I have spoken to personally have always been adamant that what they saw could in no way be of human or terrestrial origin. I don't know how anyone could say something like that with 100% confidence. We can only say it doesn't fit any current human technology that "we personally know of." I do think that their is a possibility that some UFOs are non-contemporary technology produced by someone other than our civilization as we know it.

 

[Walter Bosley]

Yes, I always laugh heartily when I hear that declaration, i.e. that it could not possibly be human technology -- and we've been hearing that more frequently, I think. It's wishful thinking, coming from a purely faith based desire that it be true, and somewhat a knee-jerk reaction to a nuts and bolts approach to the UFO question (which I miss). Don't get me wrong, I've personally advocated a non-standard solution to the truly unconventionally explainable UFOs, by that I mean what can't be reasonably explained by misidentification or advanced classified technology. I consider interdimensional possibilities -- but in a theoretical "gee whiz Tesla science on steroids" manner, as opposed to the vibratory angels of global collective love hooey, so I'm in no way putting down the ET factor. I'm convinced there are ETs and that they have and do come here. I just think it's much more rare among the sightings than the classified technology explanation and unless someone has clearance and need to know access for ALL such technology, they cannot in all seriousness say they know for certain that it could not possibly be human technology.

 

[Walter Bosley]

And yes, I understand some people think I'm nuts for other issues.

 

[trainedobserver]

The "It was alien" conviction in the cases I have experience with seems to come from the sheer strangeness of the thing. It doesn't fit into any box they have so by default it must be alien. The individuals I have spoken to seem to be totally disoriented by the experience while it was happening. The object behaves in an impossible manner or appears totally foreign. A giant oblong black diamond floating above their heads for example seems to just say "alien" to a couple of folks I have talked to. No matter what I said to them they refused to believe that any human being could have constructed or flown such a thing or that their professed ignorance of cutting edge classified technology had no influence on their conviction. People who see signs and wonders are not easily dissuaded.​

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[Walter Bosley]

I can't be too critical of those who have seen 'signs and wonders' for I have experienced a little of that myself. What some of these folks may not be taking into account are psychotronic devices that could mess literally with visual perception and the ability to think clearly, simply by employing audio or light signals. There are those lights now available to law enforcement that severely screw up your sense of equilibrium as well as those rumblers that do much the same with sound.

 

[trainedobserver]

I can't be too critical of those who have seen 'signs and wonders' for I have experienced a little of that myself. What some of these folks may not be taking into account are psychotronic devices that could mess literally with visual perception and the ability to think clearly, simply by employing audio or light signals. There are those lights now available to law enforcement that severely screw up your sense of equilibrium as well as those rumblers that do much the same with sound.

As far as signs and wonders go, I too have experienced some strange things that I could have and quite often did, interpret to be something lower on the probability scale than I should have. Many years ago when I was still under the influence of a religious faith, I was on my way somewhere and under tremendous stress. I was attempting to make a decision about something and there seemed no easy answer. I felt I should do one thing and I thought my god was telling me something else. I was driving along having a running dialog with said deity when it seemed to me I was being told to pull over and look up. I did so. I had been traveling north. As I opened the car door and looked to the southwest I saw an enormous thunder cloud in the shape of human head looking in my direction. I was stunned to say the least. I got out, walked around a bit and glanced at the cloud a couple of more times before I continued north.

To say that rattled my cage a little bit is putting it mildly. Now however I understand what was happening to me then, but as a much younger man, fantasy prone and easily hoodwinked, it played into the religious myth I was trying to live quite well. At that time rather than think something like, "I see what appears to be the face of God in a cloud." "Why is that?" I was prone to conclude that "I see God making a face at me using that cloud." and thought I was receiving a confirmation of a divine communication.

Escaping 30+ years mired in the magical thinking of my religious faith taught me one thing above everything else. The will to believe can't be overcome by reason or evidence, it must be supplanted by the desire to know the truth. The truth, quite more often than not, isn't what we might at first take it as or want it to be.

You are right on about psychotronic devices playing a part in the UFO/Alien enigma. Beyond using simpler devices for area denial purposes I think it is very probable that highly sophisticated psychotronic devices have been developed that induce hallucinatory experiences similar to complex and realistic chemically induced hallucinations, but from a distance. I think mounting such a thing on an appropriately configured UAV might be incredibly useful in espionage and on the battlefield. A UFO-like appearance, a mind altering device on board, and flight characteristics that rule out human occupation might be very useful indeed if you wanted to divert attention and curiosity while promoting doubt, fear, and anxiety in your enemies or your own personnel about its true origin.

 

[Sentry]

Wow, there's a lot of interesting material in that post! Right now, I'd just like some more details on:

... I think it is very probable that highly sophisticated psychotronic devices have been developed that induce hallucinatory experiences similar to complex and realistic chemically induced hallucinations, but from a distance.

My mind is spinning- I know you must have some sources to support this line of thought. Before I search on my own, what have you found on this?

 

[trainedobserver]

Wow, there's a lot of interesting material in that post! Right now, I'd just like some more details on:

My mind is spinning- I know you must have some sources to support this line of thought. Before I search on my own, what have you found on this?

You should always take anything I say like that with a huge helping of salt. There is nothing specific. It is a supposition based on my own paranoid fantasy prone interpretation of various abduction accounts and the overall history of UFOs feed by Jacques Vallee's books like:

• Messengers of Deception
• Dimensions: A Casebook of Alien Contact
• Confrontations – A Scientist's Search for Alien Contact
• Revelations : Alien Contact and Human Deception

It seems possible and highly probable to me but I have no specific or confidential information that would confirm it.

 

[trainedobserver]

Also, there was an OMNI magazine article about pscyhotronic research in the U.S.S.R . that I read in the 70's which has probably influenced some of thinking about this sort thing.

 

[Sentry]

Thanks for your answer. I've read two of the Jacques Vallee books you mention. He seems to consider some pretty fanciful sinister military operations. Seems like I remember his scenario of the 1980 Rendlesham incident being a staged event with holographic projections. That reminds me that his friend and associate Dr. Allen Hynek (incidentally, both were accused by Bill Moore of being saucer spies) interview in OMNI magazine discussed the possibility that the elusive helicopters in the 1980 Cash-Landrum case might have been holographic projections.

Weird theories, but more physically probable than the ET alternative.

There is one theory that explains almost everything, and it was introduced before the flying saucer legend was introduced. Richard Shaver was right, and the fact that he was crazy only proves it is true. The Dero's mind bending rays are real and the US government captured their technology some time ago. They've created an elaborate mythology of aliens as a cover story to mask their own operations. Whenever someone gets too close to the truth, their minds are scrambled by the Dero-rays and their claims are muddled in madness, ruining their testimony. Poor Col. Corso! What was he really trying to tell us?

It all makes sense to me, but I keep hearing this buzzing sound and have this intermittent tingling sensation...

 

[trainedobserver]

Weird theories, but more physically probable than the ET alternative.

My only real point.

It all makes sense to me, but I keep hearing this buzzing sound and have this intermittent tingling sensation...

"There is nothing wrong ... Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. ...We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. ...sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear."
The Control Voice - The Outer Limits.

 

[red_pill_junkie]

Also, there was an OMNI magazine article about pscyhotronic research in the U.S.S.R . that I read in the 70's which has probably influenced some of thinking about this sort thing.

There's the claim that during the Romanian fall of the Communist regime psychotronic weapons were used.

Politics and Psychic Manipulation in Romania » Atlantis Rising Magazine

 

[red_pill_junkie]

Thanks for your answer. I've read two of the Jacques Vallee books you mention. He seems to consider some pretty fanciful sinister military operations. Seems like I remember his scenario of the 1980 Rendlesham incident being a staged event with holographic projections. That reminds me that his friend and associate Dr. Allen Hynek (incidentally, both were accused by Bill Moore of being saucer spies)[...]

Moore claimed on Don Ecker's radio show that Hynek was entrusted by the Air Force to provide Bennewitz with a special computer that would 'decipher' the signals Bennewitz believed to be of alien origin.

Since Hynek was having monetary difficulties, it's easy to see why he would have been inclined to comply; yet it must be stressed this claim has never been properly substantiated.