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April 3, 2016 — Greg Bishop

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Actually only a few times to have him clarify something. Otherwise he just goes on. Or to end a segment, since we do have constraints on the free version of the show. Rather frequently? No way!
 
Greg Bishop has long been one of the more clear thinking UFO commentators around. If he doesn't know something he will tell you so. He doesn't try to make something up. I agree with one of his comments. I dislike it when some author won't answer a question and instead tells you to 'buy the book.' That person just lost a sale. I did order Greg's new book from Lulu and I am awaiting its arrival.
 
DaveM said:
...I dislike it when some author won't answer a question and instead tells you to 'buy the book.' That person just lost a sale. I did order Greg's new book from Lulu and I am awaiting its arrival.
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I agree Dave, but sometimes the questions are so open-ended and generally ill-informed, that is the only answer the author can give. I've been in this particular hot-seat many times. Answering questions by NOT up2speed questioners is a real challenge. Here is a typical example: "So Chris, who [or what?] is doing the 'cattle mutilations?" What am I supposed to say? "I don't know, but if you read the book, maybe you can somehow figure it out." or "Uhh, well ______ (fill in the name), the data suggests that there is no 'one-size-fits all' answer. To me there appears to be multiple groups w/ separate but interwoven agendas at work.... How do encapsulate years of research into an easily digestible soundbite? If you know the answer, you should consider conducting workshops! I'll be the 1st to sign up... :)
 
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I agree Dave, but sometimes the questions are so open-ended and generally ill-informed, that is the only answer the author can give. I've been in this particular hot-seat many times. Answering questions by NOT up2speed questioners is a real challenge. Here is a typical example: "So Chris, who [or what?] is doing the 'cattle mutilations?" What am I supposed to say? "I don't know, but if you read the book, maybe you can somehow figure it out." or "Uhh, well ______ (fill in the name), the data suggests that there is no 'one-size-fits all' answer. To me there appears to be multiple groups w/ separate but interwoven agendas at work.... How do encapsulate years of research into an easily digestible soundbite? If you know the answer, you should consider conducting workshops! I'll be the 1st to sign up... :)
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Yes Chris, it would depend on the interviewer and if that person is on the ball. Someone like George Noory can't possibly read every author's book. He has a staff to provide info on the book and questions to ask the author. The problem is when the author goes off topic slightly. Is Noory capable of going with the flow. That remains to be seen in most instances.
 
Greg, I thought it was very strange that you did a lot of speculation about triangle craft that can move at tremendous angular speeds beyond human survival capacities along with several other related comments that suggest these UFO's are under intelligent control and are nuts and bolts. I'm very disappointed with that explanation. Why?

There's not a shred of evidence this has happened even once.

What is likely happening is deception, because these kinds of angular high speeds are being recounted by seeing triangular lights moving at nighttime. Light, of course, can be used at nighttime in any configuration and shape to move across the sky at any speed. Radar can be tricked using deception, decoys, and electronic warfare. You would be very naive to think that holography projection is not a highly advanced warfare and research and development and entertainment and magic device by this day and age.

Until triangular craft are seen in broad daylight to do these fantastic maneuvers, which there is not one instance of this happening, then there is no need to speculate so much that these are nuts and bolts craft doing these maneuvers. Many people associated with the entertainment industry doing magic and holography, and, of course, the MIC can do these kinds of light-based UFO's at nighttime.

I do agree with you that there are definitely light-air triangular craft that could be drones that do very unusual maneuvers too, but I really get turned-off by experts like you spending so much time speculating about nighttime light sightings whether triangles or other light shapes. Then you seem so dumbfounded that there is no sonic booms and witnesses see bizarre high speed angular maneuvers, etc. Well, that's because the light seen is not connected to nuts and bolts flying craft that creates sonic booms and light objects and shapes can easily change directions and be beamed across the sky at any speed. Instead, you imply otherwise by saying this technology is beyond Human abilities. How foolish, imo.

These sightings can just be deception, magic, holography, in other words, a light show in the sky that tricks someone's sighting to think it's nuts and bolts. It's not, imo.

Greg, please stop feeding the nuts and bolts beast. For example, this show was triangles.

I'm glad you did focus on needing much more information about the witness, and that this information is missing now. That is an extremely important point in so many ways that hundreds of reasons could be given why, but isn't it amazing that UFO reporting never includes this kind of detailed information?

Why do you think that is? How many people in MUFON have had associations with military, intelligence, and the MIC? How many investigators are convinced non-human intelligence are doing this too?

Do you seriously believe those organizations will change? Most of those people are inside "the box" that something other than Humans are doing this too. Even Cassidy comes from that background too, though she's more paranormal focused instead of laser focused on ET nuts and bolts. That's not nearly even close to moving towards solving these mysteries. These people are locked into a closed loop system that prevents other explanations. They have no expertise and different beliefs to do otherwise. It's preordained and predetermined that there will be nothing new. Just more of the same.

Greg, this post may seem somewhat critical of this Paracast appearance, it is, but you've done some fantastic interviews with your own show that are brilliant and do include alternative ideas too. I just get really turned off with any mention of Roswell or triangle and other light shows at night being nuts and bolts non-human intelligence. You're just promoting long since dead ideas that are truly zombies that keep coming back from the dead that is never ending. Enough already!
 
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Greg, I thought it was very strange that you did a lot of speculation about triangle craft that can move at tremendous angular speeds beyond human survival capacities along with several other related comments that suggest these UFO's are under intelligent control and are nuts and bolts. I'm very disappointed with that explanation. Why?

There's not a shred of evidence this has happened even once.

What is likely happening is deception, because these kinds of angular high speeds are being recounted by seeing triangular lights moving at nighttime. Light, of course, can be used at nighttime in any configuration and shape to move across the sky at any speed. Radar can be tricked using deception, decoys, and electronic warfare. You would be very naive to think that holography projection is not a highly advanced warfare and research and development and entertainment and magic device by this day and age.

Until triangular craft are seen in broad daylight to do these fantastic maneuvers, which there is not one instance of this happening, then there is no need to speculate so much that these are nuts and bolts craft doing these maneuvers. Many people associated with the entertainment industry doing magic and holography, and, of course, the MIC can do these kinds of light-based UFO's at nighttime.

I do agree with you that there are definitely light-air triangular craft that could be drones that do very unusual maneuvers too, but I really get turned-off by experts like you spending so much time speculating about nighttime light sightings whether triangles or other light shapes. Then you seem so dumbfounded that there is no sonic booms and witnesses see bizarre high speed angular maneuvers, etc. Well, that's because the light seen is not connected to nuts and bolts flying craft that creates sonic booms and light objects and shapes can easily change directions and be beamed across the sky at any speed. Instead, you imply otherwise by saying this technology is beyond Human abilities. How foolish, imo.

These sightings can just be deception, magic, holography, in other words, a light show in the sky that tricks someone's sighting to think it's nuts and bolts. It's not, imo.

Greg, please stop feeding the nuts and bolts beast. For example, this show was triangles.

I'm glad you did focus on needing much more information about the witness, and that this information is missing now. That is an extremely important point in so many ways that hundreds of reasons could be given why, but isn't it amazing that UFO reporting never includes this kind of detailed information?

Why do you think that is? How many people in MUFON have had associations with military, intelligence, and the MIC? How many investigators are convinced non-human intelligence are doing this too?

Do you seriously believe those organizations will change? Most of those people are inside "the box" that something other than Humans are doing this too. Even Cassidy comes from that background too, though she's more paranormal focused instead of laser focused on ET nuts and bolts. That's not nearly even close to moving towards solving these mysteries. These people are locked into a closed loop system that prevents other explanations. They have no expertise and different beliefs to do otherwise. It's preordained and predetermined that there will be nothing new. Just more of the same.

Greg, this post may seem somewhat critical of this Paracast appearance, it is, but you've done some fantastic interviews with your own show that are brilliant and do include alternative ideas too. I just get really turned off with any mention of Roswell or triangle and other light shows at night being nuts and bolts non-human intelligence. You're just promoting long since dead ideas that are truly zombies that keep coming back from the dead that is never ending. Enough already!
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I'm sorry that I'm not a crusader in the mold that you would prefer. If you notice on my show and others, I rarely discuss the ETH. My opinion that the question remains open should not be construed as an endorsement. I want MUFON to change, and I have generally stopped whining about things I disagree with in favor of promoting different ways of looking at the subject. If people can be brought in that have different ideas and have the support to change it from the inside, that would be a step in the right direction. I have strived to remain undogmatic and have generally stopped criticizing those who I don't agree with, unless they are incredibly closed-minded and/ or willfully stupid. Discussion of an issue is not endorsement, and I'm sorry if you think that is what was going through my mind.

How many people in MUFON are former military? How many are in positions of authority? Do you have any numbers for this? I personally don't care about this as I think that people can cling to their delusions without any outside help.

Good point about possible projections of triangular craft that move at apparently impossible speeds. I don't know how they could block out stars etc. Is there an example you could point me to of the military projecting apparent objects at night to fool people, or technology that could be used to do so? I'd like to catch up on it. You seem very sure of this. Besides, this was all a reaction to a question. I did not bring it up myself.

Daylight sightings have often involved apparent objects that move faster than sound, and there are no sonic booms associated with them. I believe that some were picked up on radar near the beginning of its inception, which would indicate some sort of physicality before the ability to fool radar existed. I do not necessarily project "nuts and bolts" from this. It also does not indicate an endorsement of the ETH. It is just an issue that seems contradictory if the objects were projections or mirages, etc. There may be man-made craft that have somehow been able to eliminate shockwaves.

I general, I try to take a broad view and concentrate on those things which point towards some sort of understanding.

P.S. I am not an expert on anything and I have never said I was.
 
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Greg Bishop has long been one of the more clear thinking UFO commentators around. If he doesn't know something he will tell you so. He doesn't try to make something up. I agree with one of his comments. I dislike it when some author won't answer a question and instead tells you to 'buy the book.' That person just lost a sale. I did order Greg's new book from Lulu and I am awaiting its arrival.
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Thank you for the kind words and the book sale!
 
spacebrother said:
Good point about possible projections of triangular craft. I don't know how they could block out stars etc. Is there an example you could point me to of the military projecting apparent objects at night to fool people, or technology that could be used to do so?
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This doesn't require "deep thinking" to understand how this works. It's called poor night vision that humans have, and that's why "light magic" works and the MIC operates at night. When a human looks into the night sky at a UFO with 3 lights shaping the triangle and it passes over, the brighter lights on the UFO block the much dimmer light from the stars. It's simply an illusion that the stars are blocked, though it is also possible the object might be blocking the light too. This means we need more evidence to understand what is really happening.

Unless the witness is tested for their nighttime vision abilities, which MUFON never does, then there is no way to claim "the stars" were truly blocked out by a solid object. Humans start losing their night vision abilities often before the age of 30, and these abilities vary from person to person.

Shining a brighter light from the UFO that's brighter than starlight will block the starlight. This light "magic trick" is very effective, because your pupil closes down shrinking in size adjusting to the triangle lights and this effectively shuts-off or "cloaks" the starlight. You think you see a triangle object that's solid between the lights, but your pupils shut-off that star light instead. It's an illusion.
 
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Daylight sightings have often involved apparent objects that move faster than sound, and there are no sonic booms associated with them. I believe that some were picked up on radar near the beginning of its inception, which would indicate some sort of physicality before the ability to fool radar existed. I do not necessarily project "nuts and bolts" from this. It also does not indicate an endorsement of the ETH. It is just an issue that seems contradictory if the objects were projections or mirages, etc. There may be man-made craft that have somehow been able to eliminate shockwaves.
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Yes, there are military UFO objects that are much faster than the speed of sound that do not cause sonic booms. These objects could be light based, energized laser objects, or even missiles or drones that can be accelerated and then coast silently at thousands of miles per hour.

Military rumors [such as pilots] of UFO incidents without proof is simply disinformation or information without evidence. Even thousands of witnesses can be fooled to see UFO's, but without the proof it means absolutely nothing except there were UFO's. There are hundreds of Human causes and reasons why a UFO may be seen, so it's useless to suggest or think these are likely non-human intelligence doing this until all human causes are eliminated.

You've heard or read rumors about what was seen or evidenced, but where is the proof that Humans could not have done this? We just need that evidence, but it always evaporates. Doesn't it?

I hope I'm not being too critical of you personally, as I'm not sure you disagree with anything I'm posting here anyway.
 
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Greg, since you're responding to posts here, do you have a table of contents for your new book posted somewhere online? It would also be nice to read the first paragraph for each chapter or essay or a brief description of its subject matter.

Also, why is your comments section at RM not taking new comments for Cassidy or Aubeck? There is a weird error message that is given, and the new comment is never posted. This error is given after passing the "robot test" and attempting to post, but the comment message still does not post.
 
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Greg, is the farmers market you were at the one on Fairfax (Sunday flea market) do you have a booth you are setting up for the time being?
 
i always enjoy having Greg on the show as he's an exceptional conversationalist about the subject matter. it's always a pleasure to have him expound just on his own ideas. i was worried at first that we weren't going to delve too deeply into the book, It Defies Language, but this episode did manage to look at a bunch of topics with a good flavour of what it offers. I've been reading it this past couple weeks and it really is what Chris O'Brien described it as in ATP. It is an exceptional and important book in the field. People need to pick it up as it offers such a wide variety of insights into the phenomena and covers quite a breadth of history and the issues that are to be found in the wild world of ufo's and paranormality. it's a very concentrated book that is easy to digest and yet totally thought provoking.
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What makes it very accessible is that it is told in short bites, briefer essays collected together under a number of different themes. The theory section is my favourite, where he throws a lot of things at the wall to see what sticks. The ideas around co-creation, UFO's as a cosmic art project, and UFO's as a social deconstruction cue are all worth pursuit. We heard a little about that deconstruction on this past episode. The discussion about Dale Spaur who lost job, family, wife and then i believe we heard fell down an elevator shaft and broke his spine - it was a deconstructed life to be certain. I believe though the Saucer's name was Floyd, was it not? Dale had a relationship with the saucer that lasted long after his initial sighting. What are we to make of this?

How is it the UFO can have such a profound impact on witnesses? Is this witness specific and more about people who are already experiencing some kind of personal deconstruction and destabilization taking place as Bruce Duensing suggested or is it simply about proximity and the superlative nature of the experience of being close to something so wildly impossible. Maybe these things really are from a realm so vastly different than our own that the Nuts and Bolts concept doesn't even come close to beginning to be able to explain what they are.
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It was great to be reminded of a couple of ufological points on this episode. Flying Saucers Are Here To Make Us Think - and so they are, and so they do. There's something incredibly creative about that whole idea; UFO's are a kind of stimulus to human curiosity. This always gets our imagination flowing and in this way the UFO strikes me as a kind of invitation of sorts, not necessarily to get off planet as Chris often suggests but perhaps more about just being able to imagine the different possibilities of what reality actually is or learning to better understand our own limits and how to overcome them, as we often attempt and succeed at doing. We were also reminded how important is to think oddly and divergently about the phenomena - i wanted to hear even more about those modes on this show.

We are our own technological wizards, immature at the craft but we work at it. Greg reminds us that thinking divergently about the phenomena holds the best possibility of being able to understand it a little better. So far the tried and true methods have yielded little in way of actual physical evidence up against the incredible number of sightings. That fact alone should make us think more carefully about what is actually transpiring in the skies that are seen inside our minds with strange objects flying around in them and with weird humanoids that walk out to collect a few samples.
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Greg's closing chapter on Asemic writing and Alien writing is classic Misterioso strangeness and worth the read on its own. I can understand why the book closes with this as this really is our own creative response to the phenomena and is a kind of collaborative product that descends directly from automatic writing and Dadaist art practices of the automatic artist, in touch with something beyond themselves and relaying their received transmission back to the rest of us. More discussions, please, about this kind of offbeat and creative manner of thinking about the subject, as the field needs a new direction given its lack of accomplishments over the decades. The only really interesting thing to come out of ufology has been the creative thinking about the subject: Keel, Vallee, Michel, Tonnies, Bishop, Duensing all are truly creative thinkers and only two are still alive. We need to grow this capacity. It continues to be positive to hear about RPJ being promoted on the show as well, for he really represents that next generation of UFO thinkers who are in the wings waiting to spring out a whole new way of thinking about the field as Tonnies did.
 
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