With regards to the body of work of Hopkins, Jacobs, Mack et al, I do think it a mistake to dismiss the immense body of raw data they have been able to suss out of the work they've done with those claiming contact with commonly described "others". Bullard's work analyzing some 300 cases of these researchers back in the late 80's found particular commonalities amongst them that included age ranges, procedures described etc etc. Many of these cases did not require hypnosis in order to retrieve a narrative and many as well, were multiple witness experiences. It is quite likely that the main conclusions each has drawn from the collection of these narratives will prove valuable when taken together, rather than separately. Take for example, the described interest in human reproduction. This is simply a fact of the phenomena, due to the repetitive nature of the narratives. In turn, are naturally drawn to certain hypothesis. Transgenic manipulation? Hybrids? Infant presentations? Benevolence? Malevolence and on and on. Each will imprint a certain portion of their own world view on what they present to the rest of us, which I find only natural and potentially helpful. Will it be the "truth". No. Will it be their truth as they perceived it. Most likely. And that's OK as long as it's understood as their truth. Andre Gide once said, "Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it." A caution we would all do well to consider in every aspect of our lives today.
This is why I feel the Jane Leade material I presented in the Contactee forum is so important as it provides a touchstone, guide or key to what is described today. Anomalous aerial phenomena? It's there. Transportation to odd environments and immobility - it's there. Descriptions of mental telepathy - it's there. Infant presentations - it's there. Materialization from "glances of light" - it''s there. Descriptions of seeing the Earth from space - it's there. Descriptions of both malevolence and benevolence in the actions demonstrated towards her of the beings she encountered - it's there. I could go on with another ten or so commonalities that would be difficult to discern from the narratives of today if written in modern prose. It's the fact that Jane Leade wrote of these experiences some 300+ years ago that proves , at the very least, that what is described as the core Abduction experience as we know it today has been with us for far longer than most realize. And just as we find today, Leade's interpretation and narrative was couched in Theological mysticism - again, one must understand it was her "truth". And that's OK.
It is the work of men like Jacobs, Hopkins and Mack - along with women like Karla Turner and Constance Clear, amongst others, that let us know that it continues today as it did so long ago.
What a fantastic mystery.
I'm not all that interested in the conclusions they draw as individuals but rather am keenly interested in the body of the raw data they have collected. Will it lead me to "truth" and understanding? Doubtful. Will it lead me to a realization as to the reality of the phenomena? Without doubt.
Warts and all, they have my gratitude.
I read about Jane Leade's journals a few years ago. What this might indicate is the phenomenon is old. It's probably always been with us. Not something new like the mistaken narrative of "flying saucers" showing up during WW2 - the atomic age, to come take a look at us.
Ann Druffel and the late D. Scott Rogo had written together and separately about the beings associated with ufos and their possible origins. What's striking is there are other beings reported, than the stereotypical 'grey'. They also suspected, like Jacques Vallee and the late John Keel ,as well as the late Mac Tonnies - that these beings might not be ET.
Also Raymond Fowler changed his mind as his investigations went on (and his own memories of personal experiences were fleshed out) on the possible origins of these beings as did J. Allen Hynek (who worked with Fowler and wrote intros on Fowler's books). Whitley Streiber seems to go all over the place regarding what are and where these beings originate from.
This subject can pull in a person - mind and body. John Keel warned of this years ago. Recently I read a blog entry about a woman who had a sighting of a triangle-shaped ufo, while she was driving in her car. She sensed 'it' knew she was watching it. Then there were electrical-type flashes in her car and after that odd, paranormal activities began to happen to her. Her story isn't unique. There are many CE experiencers who've noticed this interactive (sometimes malevolent) aspect with ufos.
There could very well be an order of beings that exists alongside us or in a parallel dimension, poking in and out at times. Or maybe it's accounts of ETs from long ago. I was amazed to read an excerpt from an Irish folklorist explaining the various orders of fairies and their activities. They even traveled in shiny round objects, taking people and children, created fairy circles (crop circles?) and so on. They were known to carry on their association within family lineages - just as today's abductions are reported to re-occur in family lines.
The late Karla Turner (who you mentioned) turned heavily to the idea of MILABS (miltary abductions) before her death. I don't think a covert military operation is behind abductions but I wouldn't discount covert ops performing follow-up abductions to study what has happened to the abductee.
Many abductees (particularly in America) report being buzzed by helicoptors after an abduction - even if they haven't told anyone about their experience. Abductees also report abductions where human military personal are seen and sense they're being drugged - a different sensation than the altered state of reality they tend to experience in most abductions.
I think hypnosis should be suspended (I've written this before) for the time being, amongst abductionologists. But, that will not address what has happened to Emma Woods. She was taken advantage, used and threatened by a disturbed David Jacobs because he thinks he's being threatened by "hybrids". And his character assasination of her continues and is supported by some people in online forums.
Once Jacobs believed he was being IMed, threatened and pursued by "hybrids; he should have turned over his research at that point to another abductionologist or university associate, because he had become an active experiencer in crisis. [ referencing also his subject/webmistress Elizabeth who reported seeing Jacobs sitting naked on table aboard a spaceship].
Indeed raw data (as you've mentioned) is so important to this subject. And, Emma has meticulously been collecting raw data which is invaluable to the subject and to her, no doubt.
I'd like to see much more data collected on race, ethnicity, gender, age, blood type, RH type, right/left handedness (indicates left/right brain dominance), hair/eye color, personality type, time and locale of experiences. Years ago Brad Steiger did a survey that yielded a relatively high number of American experiencers having native-American ethnicity and/or Irish ethnicity.
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I doubt more than 25 people are actively reading this thread at this point. Quite simply, people are burnt out on it, for better or for worse.
Tom, Why do you continue to read and post on this thread then?
