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I'm convinced weather modification is possible and engaged in regularly, but I question the whole "scalar technology" buzz that if you look into it, is regarded as pseud0-science and only promoted by dodgy characters like Bearden.
 
For anyone wanting to see what a true multi-megawatt, chaos-causing radio transmitter is like, have a listen and view here and here.

This truly colossal facility transmitted a very disruptive signal around the world from about 1976 to 1986. That certainly left an electromagnetic footprint each time it was operated!

Inevitably at the time there were all sorts of wild scare stories about what it was for; Russians controlling the weather, mind control, beam weapon, some doomsday machine - sound familiar?

Known variously as the Soviet Woodpecker, Gomel Pules, amongst other names, it appeared without warning, but its massively powerful signal caused pandemonium across the short-wave bands and broke through into all sorts of electronic equipment each time it was switched on. But it was only hours before its signal was DF'd to Gomel in Belarus. I was at the wrong end of it during its operation, trying to operate HF communications equipment.

It soon turned out to be a new type of over-the-horizon military radar, but the Soviets didn't care how much interference it caused, even to their own domestic and military radio communications until a couple of years later when it was 'fine-tuned' a bit.

I think it makes HAARP look a bit feeble...

Ian
 
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If HAARP were ever able to do a fraction of the things it's accused of (assuming the facility could somehow generate the giga-watts of power required) it would leave a huge electromagnetic footprint each time it was operated. But it doesn't.

Apart from the thousands of amateur meteorologists who would detect something odd occurring, there a similar number of very well-equipped observers of the radio spectrum, including VLF and ELF, where HAARP is supposed to do its dirty work.
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So...unless HAARP is using some type of unconventional, undetectable radio signals (transmitted, incidentally, by completely conventional radio antennas visible on Google images) it can't possibly be doing the weather-controlling, earthquake starting stuff it's accused of. It appears to me and my radio colleagues that HAARP is doing exactly what it's claiming to do.

I doubt this information will make any difference to those who truly believe HAARP is some sort of diabolical doomsday machine. But remember this: it's not just 'us' - innocent truth-seeking members of the public against 'them' - dark forces directed by the New World Order. There are tens of thousands of very-well equipped, independent amateur scientists in all disciplines, working together, in the pockets of no one who would quickly detect and report any wide-spread malicious anomalous activity.

And yes, I know HAARP has been off since May 2013. But they would say that wouldn't they...?

Ian
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Thanks for compelling me to actually read content about HAARP as your points made here seem to be the salient ones. What's most convincing is the discussion around limited power output and the limited observations of any action from the facility as reported by people like yourself who monitor radio spectrums.

It certainly alters my experience of the aforementioned podcast that I mistook for a reasoned and accurate history of weather manipulation. You can't always believe what you hear can you.

What did come out of my reading though was the capacity of HAARP to create a luminous glow in the atmosphere. Sounds like a great way to produce a number of unfounded UFO reports if not weather disasters. :eek:
 
Not sure about Dr Nick Begich...
Nick Begich has appeared on Coast to Coast AM, the TruTV show Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura and The Alex Jones Show, discussing HAARP and psychotronic devices, and calls himself a doctor even though his doctorate is an honorary one from The Open International University for Complementary Medicines in Sri Lanka, according to his own biography.
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The above quote taken from End the Lie.

We don't want another Philip Imbrogno on the show - OK, not quite the same. Begich isn't actually falsifying his qualifications, but some would argue they're just not worth anything other than lending kudos.

Ian
 
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Not sure about Dr Nick Begich...


The above quote taken from End the Lie.

We don't want another Philip Imbrogno on the show - OK, not quite the same. Begich isn't actually falsifying his qualifications, but some would argue they're just not worth anything other than lending kudos.

Ian
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There was an update by the reporter Madison Ruppert - and I am heartened, as from the interview my sense of Nick Begich was that he is a well-read, well-informed and reasoned individual. I may not agree with him - not saying either way - just that he seems a sensible sort to have in a debate.

"UPDATE: I just spoke to Nick Begich via telephone and I was immediately struck by the genuine kindness this man displayed. It took him about a week but he called me back and spoke to me for a few minutes, sharing his opinions on the recently passed NDAA and other issues.

"I must admit, I was surprised that he returned my call and his warmth and passion was clear over the telephone. Begich even went as far as to tell me to send him my address so he could send me review copies of his books.

"Clearly Begich cares about what he does and is committed to forwarding knowledge and spreading important information on a wide variety of subjects. Now, to move on from my comments on Begich’s positive character traits, he did indeed comment on his brother, Senator Mark Begich, and his decision to vote for S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) Fiscal Year 2012.

"He also clarified the nature of his degree, which he emphasized was an honorary one. He said that his degree was conferred for his voluminous independent research and he never actually attended the institution. From what I can tell he wasn’t boasting about it as a credential, instead pointing to his books as examples of his heavily sourced research.

"Begich identified himself not as a doctor or a scientist in his own right, instead calling himself a science journalist and a technology journalist, putting the complicated research of others into terms which are easily digestible by laypeople.

"After hearing the way he described his work and his outlook, I realized that without a doubt my comments above were unwarranted and inaccurate in terms of who Begich is and what he is about.

"He is not by any means using the degree as a crutch or an attempt to legitimize himself without actually doing work, as his writings prove he is committed to the spread of information and making otherwise esoteric issues accessible to everyday people.

"When asked about the NDAA, Begich said that S.1867 represents a, “Huge step backwards.” It effectively overrides Posse Comitatus and Habeus Corpus, some of the most fundamental concepts on which our nation was founded.

"When I asked Begich what he thought about his brother’s vote he said, “I Haven’t spoken to Mark for a year. I don’t hear from Mark.” But he made it very clear that he disagrees with his brother’s decision wholeheartedly.

"Begich said that what we are seeing unfolding now with S.1867 and the KBR “National Quick Response Team” is, “Exactly what I predicted,” even before the tragic events of September 11th, 2001.

" “Mark will be hearing from me and other family members at Christmas,” Begich said. I replied that I truly hoped his brother would listen as it is all too easy for our so-called representatives to ignore the opinions of the public.

"Begich said that he thinks this latest development in the move towards a total fascist state could bring together the Occupy Wall Street and Tea Party movements to bring real change and justice back to our nation.

"I agree with this assertion, as there are few people who would like seeing their friends, family and neighbors snatched up in the middle of the night just for being a suspected “belligerent.”

" “When fear drives policy, the policy is inevitably bad,” Begich said, effectively summing up the massive failure that the NDAA represents.

"His sentiment is reflected in the now classic statement from Benjamin Franklin, “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

"Nick Begich is clearly a man that cares about justice, freedom, and the free spread of information. The fact that he took the time out of his day to return a call from an independent journalist like myself says a lot in and of itself.

"This just goes to show, you can’t judge someone until you actually get to know them and what they are about. I hope this update reflects my ability to be open minded and ready to revise my opinions when they are clearly misguided.

More at EndtheLie.com - UPDATE: “Dr.” Nick Begich: holder of a fake doctorate with a traitor for a brother? | End the Lie – Independent News "
 
Thanks for the update Tyger. I missed that.

Now... I didn't want to get into counter-posting of web pages to prove a point because it seldom gets anywhere. One person posts one link to support their argument, the other person posts another one to support theirs. The first person says the counter post is pseudo science, the other says it's written by a respected researcher. And so it goes on.

Nevertheless, I'll post this: HAARP ionospheric research program set to continue (see Mind control and earthquakes about a quarter way down) and this short podcast (with transcript) 'HAARP Myths' from Brian Dunning.

Yes, HAARP heats the ionosphere (50 to 250 miles up) not the troposphere where the weather occurs (from ground up to about 5 miles). I've never seen any evidence of radio waves effecting the troposphere - there would be ample evidence by now if there were. (The troposphere can affect radio waves above about 40 MHz, but that's another story...)

But why bother to heat or experiment on the ionosphere? The ionosphere has a wide range of effects on radio signals and these days its effect on satellite signals is of particular importance as they pass through it. The ionosphere's unpredictable ability to change the satellite-signal polarization being just one, so it makes sense to deeply understand its properties.

Man-made ionospheric heating is nothing new. It was inadvertently accomplished over Europe during the cold war when many hundreds of megawatts of RF were fired into it from HF broadcast transmitters from both East and West (R. Moscow, R Sofia, R. Peace and Progress, BBC, VOA, RFE/RL, Kol Israel, etc.). Added to this were the extra tens of megawatts of power from Eastern Bloc radio jammers. This was not an occasional experiment, but done on a daily basis for over 20 years in the radio propaganda war. Apart from the huge waste of money, this didn’t do anything to the weather, environment or even the ionosphere. Compared to what the sun does it was still completely insignificant.

I should think the best people to ask about HAARP's side effects are the radio amateurs of Alaska via the ARRL. They'll be well placed to describe the disturbances - if any - of HAARP.

I admit, I may be the gullible victim of miss information. But having worked with radio signals and the ionosphere for nearly 40 years, I reckon I have a fairly good grasp of what is likely and what is not regarding HAARP.

Ian
 
"This invention has a phenomenal variety of possible ramifications and potential future developments. As alluded to earlier, missile or aircraft destruction, deflection, or confusion could result, particularly when relativistic particles are employed. Also, large regions of the atmosphere could be lifted to an unexpectedly high altitude so that missiles encounter unexpected and unplanned drag forces with resultant destruction or deflection of same. Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns or altering solar absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device."
 
no one has yet to explain HOW HAARP changes the weather hundreds of miles away...I await with baited breath...
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Indeed!

And how is it to direct its beam to change weather or cause atmospheric drag to missiles? The antenna arrays are dipoles - not known for their beam agility.

If it's working with other similar facilities to do this, then even more reason for them to leave unmistakable electromagnetic footprints each time they do their stuff.

And what are relativistic particles and how are they transmitted from RF antennas?

[...]by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device."
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Not sure what could be focused here by 'plumes of atmospheric particles'. It's a pretty vague term, but if it is referring to charged particles, ions, that's what the ionosphere consist of. And it's these ions that bend radio waves passing through them - hence the requirement to study the ionosphere in depth.
 
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It seems one of the major problems for the public is that we don't really fully understand the science of weather and definitely don't know the science weather manipulation. I respect any information provided, but I am not personally able to form a full opinion of what HAARP does, because I simply don't understand the science.
 
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It seems one of the major problems for the public is that we don't really fully understand the science of weather and definitely don't know the science weather manipulation. I respect any information provided, but I am not personally able to form a full opinion of what HAARP does, because I simply don't understand the science.
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ONCE AGAIN... maybe you should read the patent. Why is this such a hard thing to do for some of you?
 
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Yes I did. The portion that was especially disturbing what that it went into detail about how they could use it to stop incoming missles using cloud cover. WTF?
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You must be a conspiracy nut because everyone knows HAARP is for studying the Northern Lights. ;)
 
Well, there is no denying what that document states. It clearly declares:

"...a barrier to or confusing factor for hostile missiles or airplanes."
"...or even complete disruption of guidance systems..."
"...missiles encounter unexpected and unplanned drag forces..."
"Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns..."

But does this document actually relate to HAARP? HAARP isn't mentioned at all in the text. It looks to me like some hypothetical facility many, many times more powerful, the effects of which - shall we say - are "bigged up" for the purposes of Cold War propaganda. All kinds of stuff is tossed in there.

For example, it also briefly mentions the possible local effects of high altitude nuclear bursts on the earth's magnetic field. This has nothing to do with HAARP and its transmissions - no matter how powerful it is supposed to be.

And why would the US put the patent of a secret defence/weather-controlling facility on the web for all to see? (A patent does not mean that the technology exists.)

The document is dated Jan 1985. OK, so if the technology didn't actually exist in 1985, it could now. Well like I said in post #15, how come no one noticed it operating if it's doing all this stuff? Not a wiggle of an ELF/VLF chart recorder - anywhere. Unless someone knows different...

Ian
 
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