Are you getting a Flu shot?

[pixelsmith]

I have had the flu shot only once and that was to avoid bringing home diseases to the new born babe in our home. Having my first child made me listen to the rhetoric of innoculation. But then i quickly reverted to my old ways and old attitudes which have always been, whatever doesn't kill you makes your antibodies stronger.

Working in a school setting is like being bathed in germs every day so I feel each year, like Wade, I get a minor illness and move on. It's rare that I get knocked down for more than a couple of days, if at all. I'm banking on the natural anti-bodies I've made.

I know, from reviewing the literature that vaccines do not cause autism, and that a lot of disease has been eradicated by vaccines so my kids have all the big ones to avoid sudden death now, as we see those teens who get meningitis drop two days later, or to prevent those adult disasters who never got measles or mumps while young. My kids have never gotten a flu shot though.

There's a strange random prediction game that comes with the flu shot as they guess which strains will dominate next year and this can be wrong, and then herd innocukation is bogus. I'm concerned about reactions like exo_doc describes as these tell me that this vaccine is still in development or unique personal bio-chemistry is having unpredictable reactions - that is a normal event. Sometimes, it's good to let new vaccines ripple through the population for 5-10 years to see all the impacts before doing what should be logical, protecting yourself against known disease with the best medical option.

Review more literature and you will find evidence vaccines may indeed cause autism and worse. It is possible the long term effects of vaccinations will weed out the less intelligent of our species.

 

[pixelsmith]

Interesting information:

 

[ManitobaCanuk]

I'm planning on getting a flu shot - if I'm able. I tried to get a flu shot last year, but the clinics and pharmacies near where I live were consistently sold out. My mother is exactly twice my age and gets a flu shot every single year. She never gets sick with anything and is among the healthier people I know. On the other hand, she's had friends who have become critically ill from complications of the flu. My friend Sean (whom I've mentioned on this forum) died at the age of 46, partly due to complications from H1N1,

Regarding thimerosal: I've noticed on this forum that those who fear thimerosal choose to either ignore or forget that it isn't used in any single-dose vials of the flu vaccine. This is because single-dose vials are used only once and immediately disposed. In addition, most of the flu vaccinations I've personally seen or used over the past several years are live-attenuated versions (ie, the nasal spray). These never contain thimerosal. I can't remember the last time my pharmacy or doctor even used an injection for the vaccination. For one thing, it's easier for a pharmacist or other medical professional to simply hand out nasal sprays rather than worry about the proper use, storage and disposal of syringes. This is doubtless why the nasal spray versions of the vaccination are so popular.

This isn't to say that thimerosal is never used in flu vaccines. Sometimes, the vaccine can be produced in multi-dose vials, though this usually happens only in larger vaccination campaigns. If this is the case, only small amounts of thimerosal might be used in order to prevent dangerous or deadly strains of bacteria from forming in the vials. Thimerosal has been safely used as a preservative to prevent bacterial growth in vaccines for more than 70 years. We should also keep in mind that while thimerosal contains 49% ethylmercury, flu vaccinations only have traces of thimerosal - if they have any thimerosal at all. Most of the vaccinations that are available to us are either going to be the live-attenuated sprays or shots from the single-dose vials. Therefore, fear of thimerosal really shouldn't impact whether or not we get a vaccination. If anyone is concerned about thimerosal in a vaccination, it's easy enough to ask the medical professional about the type of vaccination being used. One phone call tell us if the vaccination is in a spray form, a single-dose vial or a multi-dose vial. If we don't like the answer at one place, we can call around to other clinics and pharmacies in the area.

I completely respect your opinion, but why take the risk? Why inject something in your arm for something that at best is just a nuisance. Unless you are diminished in some way, excessive age, compromised immunity, influenza is just a pain. Only when you compare your risks in regards to vaccines against death, does any semblance of sense for vaccinations makes sense. But for most people you can not make that comparison, it is all downside. You have absolutely no recourse if it does you harm. Can't blame your doctor, can't blame the company that made the shot. There is a good reason why the lobbyists spent millions on getting the law changed for big pharmacare to have zero liability. What other drug is shielded against litigation? Think about it. The facts of the situation should make anyone run fast and run far away from vaccines. The stories of all the people saved by vaccines make for good heart string pulling, but have nothing to do with you. Those stories fall in the compare to death scenario I mentioned earlier. Sure I would cut my leg off if I got gas gangrene , but not because I got the sniffles. Keep perspective that your body is your body and you have a right to know exactly what is going into it. Until they can prove without a doubt the value of the shots, and not just demonstrate the whole motivation is just unfettered greed, I will never get one. Of course that will never happen. Peace.

 

[Burnt State]

Review more literature and you will find evidence vaccines may indeed cause autism and worse. It is possible the long term effects of vaccinations will weed out the less intelligent of our species.

I did. For an I.B. Theory of Knowledge course i taught a few years ago we made that our inquiry question and all findings identified no proof at all of any causal link. The only thing proven was our ability to identify kids on the autism spectrum faster and with more certainty than before.

The history of sterilizing certain segments of the population and attempts to eradicate or weed out parts of society is done historically out in the open through court order, the class struggle, and convincing people that climate change is a myth, fracking is good for us and that health care is evil.

 

[pixelsmith]

I did. For an I.B. Theory of Knowledge course i taught a few years ago we made that our inquiry question and all findings identified no proof at all of any causal link. The only thing proven was our ability to identify kids on the autism spectrum faster and with more certainty than before.

The history of sterilizing certain segments of the population and attempts to eradicate or weed out parts of society is done historically out in the open through court order, the class struggle, and convincing people that climate change is a myth, fracking is good for us and that health care is evil.

I guess you or your students didn't see this:

For over 20 years, the federal government has publicly denied a vaccine-autism link, while at the same time its Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) has been awarding damages for vaccine injury to children with brain damage, seizures and autism. A new investigation, based on verifiable government data, breaks ground in the controversial vaccine-autism debate. The investigation found that a substantial number of children compensated for vaccine injury also have autism and that such cases have existed since 1989, the year after the VICP was formed.

SafeMinds' Executive Director, Lyn Redwood, RN, MSN comments, "This study dramatically shifts the debate on autism and vaccines. The question is no longer, Can vaccines cause autism? The answer is clear. Now, we have to ask, How many cases of autism have vaccines caused and how do we prevent new injuries from occurring?" The government has asserted that it "does not track" autism among the vaccine-injured. SafeMinds responds that not looking is the easiest way not to find something. SafeMinds is calling for immediate federal research into the mechanisms of injury in these children in an effort to protect other children from harm and Congressional action to reform the VICP.

The peer-reviewed study looked at cases of vaccine injury that have been monetarily compensated by the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. It was published today in the Pace Environmental Law Review. The study investigated approximately 1300 cases of childhood brain injury as a result of vaccines in which the Special Masters ruled for the plaintiffs, looking for references to autism, symptoms of autism or disorders commonly associated with autism. It reports that twenty-one cases actually stated "autism or autism-like symptoms" in the court records. The researchers then identified and contacted 150 more compensated families to find out whether the children had autism. They were able to find an additional 62 cases (greater than 40% of their sample) for a total of 83 cases of autism. In 39 cases (47%) there was confirmation of autism beyond parental report.

The federal government has called autism a "national health emergency," conservatively affecting 1 in 110 children and costing the country billions of dollars each year. If a portion of autism cases are vaccine-induced and there is evidence that officials have been "looking the other way," this cannot be tolerated. The VICP's recent attempt to dismiss the over 5000 cases in the Omnibus Autism Proceedings is suspect in light of these new findings based on its own records.

83 Cases of Autism Associated with Childhood Vaccine Injury Compensated in Federal Vaccine... -- WASHINGTON, May 10, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

 

[pixelsmith]

...and convincing people that climate change is a myth, fracking is good for us and that health care is evil.

no one i know of is trying to convince anyone climate change is a myth. can you site your source on this statement?

 

[ManitobaCanuk]

I did. For an I.B. Theory of Knowledge course i taught a few years ago we made that our inquiry question and all findings identified no proof at all of any causal link. The only thing proven was our ability to identify kids on the autism spectrum faster and with more certainty than before.

The history of sterilizing certain segments of the population and attempts to eradicate or weed out parts of society is done historically out in the open through court order, the class struggle, and convincing people that climate change is a myth, fracking is good for us and that health care is evil.

This kind of opinion is what happens to good people with good intentions that do not really question the source of their information. If you use only references from sources that have a vested interest in a lie, you believe a lie. Peace.

 

[Jeff Davis]

I did not get a flu shot, but my Mom and Dad just did yesterday. They are each 82 years old. I am honestly looking very much forward to Chris's book. I have heard it touches on a good deal of what might be referred to here, including record amounts of dementia related diseases. I am also looking forward to that book for another reason. That is how these animals are mutilated with such surgical precision in the field minus any foot prints, or tracks. I have a feeling that book is going to answer a great deal of long time CM curiosities.

 

[pixelsmith]

I did not get a flu shot, but my Mom and Dad just did yesterday. They are each 82 years old. I am honestly looking very much forward to Chris's book. I have heard it touches on a good deal of what might be referred to here, including record amounts of dementia related diseases. I am also looking forward to that book for another reason. That is how these animals are mutilated with such surgical precision in the field minus any foot prints, or tracks. I have a feeling that book is going to answer a great deal of long time CM curiosities.

I hope your mom and dad will not suffer adverse effects.
In reference to mutilated cows, blowflies leave very tiny tracks that are hard to see.

 

[Burnt State]

This kind of opinion is what happens to good people with good intentions that do not really question the source of their information. If you use only references from sources that have a vested interest in a lie, you believe a lie. Peace.

If everything confirmed by the independent rigors of science is a lie then I would say that's conspiracist thinking. If we can not acknowledge what is a scientific, academic investigation vs. cheerleading for big Pharma then we won't be able to rub anything together to make future academic fire, or make decisions collectively as a society that are good for us like, "hey, let's get rid of polio." I prefer to keep any research in the Acacacacacademy when it serves me. I know that some false accepted truths still need to be debated but as far as personal health goes I'm good with the rigor I see the students apply. These kids are the future doctors, research scientists etc. and belvedere in their findings.

 

[smcder]

No . . . the flu should worry about getting me . . .

 

[pixelsmith]

If everything confirmed by the idendent rigors of science is a lie then I would say that's conspiracist thinking. If we can not acknowledge what is a scientific, academic investigation vs. cheerleading for big Pharma then we won't be able to rub anything together to make future academic fire, or make decisions collectively as a society that are good for us like, "hey, let's get rid of polio." I prefer to keep any research in the Acacacacacademy when it serves me. I know that some false accepted truths still need to be debated but as far as personal health goes I'm good with the rigor I see the students apply. These kids are the future doctors, research scientists etc. and belvedere in their findings.

Yet your students and yourself knew nothing about the FACT that the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program has been paying out damages because vaccines have caused autism, brain damage and seizures. I suggest you do a little more research on polio as well.

 

[Burnt State]

Yet your students and yourself knew nothing about the FACT that the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program has been paying out damages because vaccines have caused autism, brain damage and seizures. I suggest you do a little more research on polio as well.

From everything I read, despite the petitioner's claims having no scientific proof whatsoever, they were still able to win their claims and make money. All that proves is what a litigious society America is, and that with the right lawyer and enough $$$ you can make even more $$$$$. There still are no facts that prove disease caused by vaccines.

 

[RenaissanceLady]

It's fascinating how this thread has evolved. After concerns about thimerosal were made, I answered by explaining how most flu vaccines do not contain any thimerosal. Then the topic suddenly changed to why I hadn't mentioned "additives", though this topic had not been discussed prior to my answering the initial thread.

This strikes me as being more of an effort by someone to throw anything at a wall to see what sticks, rather than genuine concerns. I know off the top of my head what additives/preservatives are added to flu vaccines. I somehow doubt, though, that the poster who mentioned this has a clue. Since he is the one who made the statement, he can back up his words with actual research and discuss those additives, point by point. Much of this appears to be the same rehashing, by the same party, all of the points that were made and thoroughly dismissed in another thread regarding vaccines and dementia/autism. This does not need to be addressed again, especially as the poster has admitted he doesn't actually read the responses of those with whom he disagrees. Here's the link to that thread:
Dementia cases worldwide will triple by 2050, says WHO | The Paracast Community Forums

Now we have the opinions that being routinely exposed to viruses and other illnesses will boost the immune system, and perhaps even more surprisingly, that getting a vaccine is somehow dangerous compared to actually getting the flu. As that last topic was addressed to me, please allow me to answer:

In a nutshell, I could explain that I have a solid grasp of viral neuraminidase, viral mutations and viral evolution, especially within a host population where vaccinations are rare. If someone truly understands how viruses work - and what actually goes into vaccines - that one sentence would be a thorough answer. If not, I would recommend reading the H7N9 thread and the "Be Afraid" thread, especially the area where I discuss the 16 different hemagglutinin sub-types and 9 different neuraminidase sub-types of viruses, for additional details about these. I can also clarify a bit further:

1. Anyone who can remember even the last few years should have a memory of flu epidemics that have led to public health emergencies, straining hospitals when people who had considered themselves to be young and healthy became so seriously ill as to need hospitalization. The Boston area had 700 confirmed cases of the flu, causing hospitals to run out of beds for those who were severely ill and needing them. Flu vaccinations take approximately two weeks to become fully effective. By the time there is a full-fledged epidemic or pandemic, it may be too late to become protected by a vaccine - and that's assuming you can even get a vaccine. For those who are concerned about thimerosal, it's during these epidemics that see the greatest use of multi-dose vials, for obvious reasons.
   
   
2. Viruses are extremely contagious. Anyone who remembers the movie, Contagion, should have a basic grasp of the R nought (R0) factor. This is the rate of reproduction of an infection, based on the number of cases one infection has on an uninfected population, during the course of the infection's lifetime. If an infection has an R0 rate that is less than 1, it will not spread to the population. If it is equal to or greater than 1, is will spread. The higher the R0 factor, the higher the rate of the epidemic and the harder the epidemic is to control. Influenza viruses will always have an R0 factor that is at least 1 and can be much higher. The SARS virus had a factor of 3. In comparison, the measles virus has a factor that is between 12 and 18. The more a virus mutates, the more likely it is to have a high R0 factor, in part because each mutation offers an increased risk that we won't have the necessary antibodies to fight the infection. (This will be discussed in greater detail later in this thread.) This also relates to horizontal gene transfer (the "word of the day" for my H7N9 thread). The more a virus spreads and mutates, the more likely it is to cause contaminations between species, which in turn means the more mutations it will have. This will potentially cause a virus to evolve into something of which we have little or no immunity. The H7N9 virus is an excellent example of how horizontal gene transfer can cause deadly outbreaks because of our lessened immunity.
   
   This is why we vaccinate. Vaccinations have been shown to prevent the sustained spread of a virus in a population, thereby lowering the R0 factor and lowering the risk of advanced mutations.
   
   
3. Viruses are very deadly. The CDC has kept statistics about the flu from the 1976-77 season through the 2006-2007 season. For each of those seasons, flu deaths in the United States have ranged from a low of 3,000 to a high of 49,000. That's a lot of people who died from something that could most likely have been prevented if they, or those around them, had been vaccinated.
   
   You see, even if we are convinced we are too young and healthy to ever become seriously ill from the flu, we are spreading it to the population at large. The person to whom we spread the illness may be the person who becomes critically ill or even dies from the illness. (See the next point.)
   
   
4. Otherwise young and healthy people not only get the flu, they can become critically ill and even die from the flu. This happens all the time. The thing about the influenza virus is that it is notoriously unpredictable and can evolve extremely quickly. RNA viruses, which include the influenza virus, evolve at a rate six times faster than human DNA. It is continuously evolving and mutating as it goes from host to host. These will not only affect how well we are able to fight the illness, viruses can even change our DNA. 8% of the human genome were inserted by viruses, possibly causing some of the severe and chronic illnesses we currently see. Retroviruses are found in the fossil record. Therefore, when a host population does not get vaccinated against a virus, it allows the virus to continue evolving until it becomes stronger and able to do more damage. The more people who are vaccinated, the less likely we are to see deadly epidemics and pandemics, which in turn will prevent these from evolving into even deadlier epidemics and pandemics.
   
   
5. One mutation, one time, in one host, can be the difference between someone who feels sick for a few days and a population that has an illness that cannot be fought with current medications.
   
   Need an example? During the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, one small mutation in the neuraminidase gene caused the virus to become resistant to medical treatments. When such mutations are unleashed upon the populace, we not only get people who are sicker and for longer amounts of time, we also get people who suffer serious complications from the illness but who cannot be treated with the medications that are available. This is among the reasons why the CDC recommends *everyone* over the age of 6 months get a flu vaccination each year.
   
   
6. Speaking of young and healthy people getting the flu and the H1N1 pandemic: My friend Sean, whom I mentioned in my earlier post, died in the early morning hours of October 28th, 2009, due in part to complications from the H1N1 virus. He was 46, did maintenance and manual labor, and was in otherwise excellent health when he became ill and suddenly died. (I realize that for some people on here, 46 may seem like it's fairly old. I, on the other hand, refuse to believe that 23 is middle-age. Those of you who know me on Facebook may have read about him on my wall on the anniversary of his death, this past Monday.)
   * The thing is, if he had received a flu vaccination, he'd still be alive.
   * If the person who gave him the virus had received the vaccine, he'd still be alive.
   Not only is one of my dearest friends dead, he and those around him would have doubtless spread the virus to others, causing others to become ill - perhaps seriously - and allowing the virus to further evolve. Each time this happens, it's another mutation which we may have harder time fighting - and which may be the mutation that kills ourselves, our friends, and even large segments of the population.
   
   Chew on that the next time the next time someone takes pride in not getting a vaccination. That person is essentially saying that he takes no consideration of his own health, the health of those around him, or the health of the entire population. He may well be the next Typhoid Mary. There are many things I want in life. Dying from an easily preventable illness and/or helping cause the next epidemic are not among the honors I crave.

 

[pixelsmith]

Chew on that the next time the next time someone takes pride in not getting a vaccination. That person is essentially saying that he takes no consideration of his own health, the health of those around him, or the health of the entire population. He may well be the next Typhoid Mary. There are many things I want in life. Dying from an easily preventable illness and/or helping cause the next epidemic are not among the honors I crave.

I DO take consideration for my health and those around me. You are the one who does not care about these things because of your lack of understanding how a natural immune system works. So sad really...

 

[Jeff Davis]

I hope your mom and dad will not suffer adverse effects.
In reference to mutilated cows, blowflies leave very tiny tracks that are hard to see.

blowflies? Hmmm...don't want to sidetrack things here, but I am not well read up on the CM thing. Didn't know about blowflies. Gonna do some checking, thanks.

 

[exo_doc]

It's fascinating how this thread has evolved. After concerns about thimerosal were made, I answered by explaining how most flu vaccines do not contain any thimerosal. Then the topic suddenly changed to why I hadn't mentioned "additives", though this topic had not been discussed prior to my answering the initial thread. .......................................


This is why we vaccinate. Vaccinations have been shown to prevent the sustained spread of a virus in a population, thereby lowering the R0 factor and lowering the risk of advanced mutations. .......................................

until it becomes stronger and able to do more damage. The more people who are vaccinated, the less likely we are to see deadly epidemics and pandemics, which in turn will prevent these from evolving into even deadlier epidemics and pandemics. ....................................


Chew on that the next time the next time someone takes pride in not getting a vaccination. That person is essentially saying that he takes no consideration of his own health, the health of those around him, or the health of the entire population. He may well be the next Typhoid Mary. There are many things I want in life. Dying from an easily preventable illness and/or helping cause the next epidemic are not among the honors I crave.

One of the best posts I have ever seen on here R'Lady! Very informative and persuasive.
In general, I think the benefits outweigh the risks. My 3 kids have always gotten thier vaccinations. They are now 14, 16, and 24 years old, and other than having to beat my 14 year old son in the head to get him to do his homework sometimes, they are all perfectly healthy.

I received lots of vaccinations when I was in the Army, and never had any real problems other than soreness and feeling tired for a couple of days.

My beef is the flu vaccine I got 4 years ago gave me such a horrible reaction that has made me gunshy to get another one.
And the damn doctors or pharmacists won't give me a straight answer over why it happened, or what caused it.
If a medical professional would just sit and give it to me honestly, I'd probably be up for another vaccination.

 

[ManitobaCanuk]

This post is not meant to be shot or anything like that. You seem like an intelligent human being.

RenaissanceLady are you a doctor or nurse? Says in your bio that you are a corporate/medical ghost writer. If that is so why do you think you have the authority or knowledge to make such grandiose claims with such confidence. Nice use of snippets from Wikipedia I must say. I am just an I.T. Geek with a B.Sc in Physics. I only know what I research and see in the world. I see both sides of the story. It is quite laughable to think that someone that chooses not to be vaccinated by big Pharma is a danger to society. I understand your points, but I find when an argument stalls one tactic to follow is the fear factor. The fact is that many people are just sheep, and some sheep wear lab coats.

Everyone has a right to make choices for themselves on their own bodies and minds. Funny you never mentioned Gardasil, miss that one? Even you can't argue that that vaccine has damaged and/or killed many, many young women. So even with a cursory understanding of world events it is ever so apparent that some (not all) vaccines are dangerous if not deadly. I just choose not to play Russian roulette with my life based on half-truths and out right lies. If the popular conviction is good enough for you then become a human pin cushion. I do not give trust to people or organizations, they have to earn it. Big Pharma has not earned it, not by a long shot. Just because you reference doctors, what makes you think they are right? Becoming a doctor is not that difficult, not a super human task, does not make you a more moral or benevolent creature. I find a lot of physicians will just follow the money, just like everyone else. Their motives and actions can be controlled by their indoctrination and temperament. Point is think for yourself, just because they have a lab coat on does not make you any more or any less human.

You have made many citations in your post, but what have you learned? Not what can you copy and paste. How do you ignore the obvious and verifiable damage that has been caused in some cases, and just follow what other people think about it. How do you weigh the dangers of injecting substances into your arm that you really don't know what is in them? Is other people's word enough? Do you cognitively ignore the bad reports in favor of the good ones that seem to fit your paradigm? Just curious because you last post is typical of a "repeater" not the response of a someone that has thought it out very well. Other peoples ideas are just that other peoples ideas. What are yours and more importantly why? How do you know the words you have cited are correct.

There is so much contradictory information out there showing the pros and cons to being vaccinated, but it is by no means a consensus. Being that examples for both sides exist how can you really trust the clear liquid being pumped into your veins is going to help you and not harm you. I can not be so sure. Peace.

Some more things to chew on:

Merck drug company vaccines admits injecting cancer viruses

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Mortality Rate 50% Higher with More Vaccine Doses
Mortality Rate 50% Higher with Doubled Vaccine Doses - Gaia Health

US court pays $6 million to Gardasil victims
US court pays $6 million to Gardasil victims | Washington Times Communities

 

[RenaissanceLady]

I DO take consideration for my health and those around me. You are the one who does not care about these things because of your lack of understanding how a natural immune system works. So sad really...

That is the single funniest thing I've read in a very long time. I had no idea Gene was running a comedy site.

Now, why don't you actually show us your infinite wisdom and debate my actual points. There are six of them. I'd especially love to hear how mutations in viral neuraminidase, causing illnesses to which we have little if any immunity and which may not be controlled with medication, are somehow good for the "natural immune system." Then you can explain how viruses have affected the human genome and what problems this may have caused for our "natural immune system."

Otherwise, you're proving, again, that you truly have nothing to offer this forum.

One of the best posts I have ever seen on here R'Lady! Very informative and persuasive.
In general, I think the benefits outweigh the risks. My 3 kids have always gotten thier vaccinations. They are now 14, 16, and 24 years old, and other than having to beat my 14 year old son in the head to get him to do his homework sometimes, they are all perfectly healthy.

I received lots of vaccinations when I was in the Army, and never had any real problems other than soreness and feeling tired for a couple of days.

My beef is the flu vaccine I got 4 years ago gave me such a horrible reaction that has made me gunshy to get another one.
And the damn doctors or pharmacists won't give me a straight answer over why it happened, or what caused it.
If a medical professional would just sit and give it to me honestly, I'd probably be up for another vaccination.

Thank you for compliment.

It's not uncommon for flu vaccinations to cause some reactions in people, though these are almost always relatively mild and are usually limited to the area around the injection site. So, let's take a look at why you had the reaction:

1. Some people have allergic reactions to the vaccine, though this usually only happens to those who have egg and/or chicken allergies. Flu vaccines are made with chicken eggs, so those people with allergies to eggs and/or chicken are discouraged from getting flu shots. If you have had any problems eating these foods, it would explain why you had the reaction you had and why you shouldn't get another flu shot.
2. Sterile water or saline is used in flu vaccines, though I seriously doubt this would cause a reaction.
3. Trace amounts of certain antibiotics are used in some vaccines, in order to prevent any bacterial growth. In the U.S., it's strictly forbidden to use any penicillin, though this is sometimes used in other countries. If you've ever had any reaction to any antibiotics, this could be part of the cause of your reaction.
4. Some people worry about formaldehyde being used in vaccines, though formaldehyde is generally removed before the vaccine is packaged. Still, if you have reactions to formaldehyde, it's possible some trace reside might not have been removed.
5. Realistically, the reason why people usually have reactions are due to some allergies they were unaware they had. The symptoms of which are exactly what you described. What goes into one vaccine might not, necessarily, go into another. An allergist could give you a better idea of the issue. Some people who don't have allergies to eggs will still react to the egg in the vaccine, whereas others who do have an allergy are able to get the shot with few (if any) reactions. You can ask your doctor what preservatives are in that individual vaccine and explain the reaction you had. It might be worth doing a little research.

Hope this helps.

 

[starise]

I had opportunity to get the shots from two sources. My place of employment offered the shots for free and my perscription card allows me to get the shots for myself and my wife.

I chose the latter because the place where we got the injections offers a higher quality of flu shot. I am glad I am at least protected from those bugs. Maybe I'll get another kind of bug, but it won't be one of those.