Carol Rainey (Mrs. Budd Hopkins)

[kruggutter]

kruggutter posted above- the duration of the incident between one and 3 minutes. It is also interesting, that of Janet Kimball's description. Being one of the cars that had shut down on the bridge, the object had flicked on like a light bulb. She had originally thought it a movie production, I suppose the object "turning off" like a light bulb and the screams of others on the bridge changed her mind?
I've always considered Hopkin's intelligent, and genuine. I found it hard to believe that he could have been taken on a hoax by Linda- unless it is as George said, a case he "needed" to believe in.

There was no credulity on Hopkins' part in investigating the Linda Cortile case. I documented seventeen reality
tests he performed throughout his investigation.

(Page 99 - 122 of "Critique Rejected" by Sean F. Meers).

What is proved by the reality tests is that Hopkins was not taking anything on faith alone and was actively seeking
independent verification for the claims made in Linda's case.

In addition to this there were at least six separate instances during Linda’s September 21, 1991 hypnosis session conducted
by Budd Hopkins in which Hopkins tested her suggestibility. There were at least four separate instances during Linda’s
November 25, 1991 pre-hypnosis interview in which Hopkins tested her suggestibility. There were at least seven
separate instances during Linda’s November 25, 1991 hypnosis session conducted by Budd Hopkins in which he tested her
suggestibility. Linda did not take up any of his suggestions in any of these instances, nor did Linda alter her account to fit them.
All up seventeen documented tests of Linda's suggestibility by Budd Hopkins, none of which she failed.

(Page 31 - 39 of "Inaccuracies from Eve Lorgen's Chapter on the Linda Cortile Case" by Sean F. Meers).

What this boils down to is that Hopkins sought independent verification whenever it was possible and that Linda was
not in the slightest way able to be led under hypnosis.

Sincerely

Sean F. Meers

 

[Stagger Lee]

Thank you Sean. Such extraordinary case details, I appreciate your input.

 

[kruggutter]

Thank you Sean. Such extraordinary case details, I appreciate your input.

It's my pleasure. It's nice to be receiving responses of intelligence and consideration.
More often than not the responses lean towards debunker abuse.

Sincerely

Sean F. Meers

 

[Bob Watson]

Mr meers
I truly thank you for the responses you have provided. Ehen you don't know the answer you been honest and upfront.i posted my question. And was answer. I have seen you not be baited. I have looked into the case I'm on the fence on it. But I do feel the the case is worthy of investigation.
Ot is my hope that you continue to investigate the case.
And possibly apply your talents to other cases of note.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Sean, I have a question- regarding the antique Divers helmet given as a gift to Linda's son by the 3rd person. How rare is this item? I imagine something not easily found or purchased in late 80's or early 90's. Do you also know the value of the helmet at the time it was gifted?

 

[kruggutter]

Sean, I have a question- regarding the antique Divers helmet given as a gift to Linda's son by the 3rd person. How rare is this item? I imagine something not easily found or purchased in late 80's or early 90's. Do you also know the value of the helmet at the time it was gifted?

The antique divers helmet, though not rare enough to make its purchase easily traceable, has an estimated value of
between $USD 3000.00 - $USD 5000.00. As a purchase I imagine it would be difficult to trace, especially if it was
purchased within New York City. Everywhere from antique shops to private sellers are possible sources for its purchase.
I once put forward the idea of having it examined for fingerprints and trace evidence but it had been cleaned and polished
by the Cortile's many times prior to my suggestion.

Sincerely

Sean

 

[kruggutter]

Mr meers
I truly thank you for the responses you have provided. Ehen you don't know the answer you been honest and upfront.i posted my question. And was answer. I have seen you not be baited. I have looked into the case I'm on the fence on it. But I do feel the the case is worthy of investigation.
Ot is my hope that you continue to investigate the case.
And possibly apply your talents to other cases of note.

Thank you very much for your kind support. I greatly appreciate it and hope I've been of assistance with your questions.

Sincerely

Sean

 

[Stagger Lee]

Thank you Sean. Such an item would be incredibly tough to trace pre internet purchase- an unusual thing to gift, not to mention costly. Another strange aspect of this case.

 

[Rikki]

Has Linda suffered lasting mental trauma from the alleged abductions?
has her husband or children been interviewed?
has she displayed any ongoing symptoms similar to those of a sexual assault ?
dose Linda suffer from PTSD?
has her Husband and children suffered mental anguish?
has her children been abducted?

 

[Burnt State]

has this been debunked?

Given the likelihood of alien abduction, let alone the Cirque Du Soleil version of it in a major city centre, the findings of the handwriting comparisons make Linda as forger the more likely scenario. There are other comparisons to make between this case, Cahill, Zanfretta, and other short lived, high interest cases of alien abduction claims. They have a peak in popularity and linger for a while. Usually the next phase, if the case sustains, is to become a contactee and start relaying other types of prophetic information: Streiber, Romanek, Meier.

Very few cases persist over time in the way Walton's has or Betty and Barney Hill. Most tend to stay wild and wooly in the background, cases hardly known or highly regarded by aficionados: Pascagoula, Cisco Grove, Emilcin. There are these patterns that tend to appear in the Abduction Phenomenon that is deserving of its own address. It's interesting to note which of these look and feel more like Rutkowski's definition of Alien Abduction Syndrome and which don't. It's also interesting to note which of these cases are pattern breakers (Allegash, Cortile, Walton and Cisco Grove - though by rights it's a failed abduction, but still pretty wildly unique and worthy of mention).

Also, different abduction cases definitely have different classes of monuments erected to comemorate the event/experience. This is also another interesting way to consider the nature and features of a case. This is the monument for the Polish Case in Emilcin - another major pattern breaker with everything from full consciousness of the abductee going over and back across the threshold, food being offered and a number of birds onboard that had been collected, alive but paralyzed. The ship description is also fairly unprecedented. But the monument is lovely - a separate piece of signage (see above) is also there with excellent pictures documenting this rather odd case.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

A feature that makes anyone's testimony highly suspect imo.

Ditto.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

Linda Cortile = Janet Kimball.

 

[Rikki]

crossing the Brooklyn bridge at night LOOK AT ALL THE PPL!

 

[kruggutter]

the findings of the handwriting comparisons make Linda as forger the more likely scenario.

Roger Rubin is not a forensic document examiner, he is a graphologist. Graphology is not forensic document examination, it is a pseudoscience.
Rubin is not, and never was qualified to carry out a forensic document examination. That Carol Rainey purported him as a forensic document
examiner is flat out duplicity on her part.

In addition to this Rubin himself admitted his findings (which were not those of a qualified forensic document examination carried out by a
qualified forensic document examiner) were contestable opinions, not fact.

Furthermore I contacted a real forensic document examiner to have Kimball and Cortile's handwriting compared
and he concluded that in all likelihood that Kimball's letter was not written by Cortile.

I recommend, for those interested, in checking out the data regarding this matter.

Results from a Legitimate Forensic Document Examination - The Linda Cortile UFO Abduction Case Website

Inaccuracies from Carol Rainey’s Video “A Key Witness in the Linda Cortile UFO Abduction Case” - The Linda Cortile UFO Abduction Case Website

 

[kruggutter]

crossing the Brooklyn bridge at night LOOK AT ALL THE PPL!

Hi Rikki,

With respect, that video is not 3:00 a.m. in winter at a temperature of 28.04 degrees fahrenheit (the temperature
it was reported to be in that area on November 30, 1989).

There are people wearing short sleeves shirts in that video. It is not an accurate representation of the weather conditions
reported to have occurred on the night of November 30, 1989 in that area.

Weather Records New York City, Thursday, November 30, 1989 - The Linda Cortile UFO Abduction Case Website

Sincerely

Sean

 

[kruggutter]

Hi Rikki,

Here are the answers to your questions.

Has Linda suffered lasting mental trauma from the alleged abductions?

With respect, I feel that that question answers itself.

has her husband or children been interviewed?

Yes, their testimony has also been videotaped and presented at Linda's website. I have however blurred out their faces to
protect their anonymity as best I can.

has she displayed any ongoing symptoms similar to those of a sexual assault?

Many abductees are left with similar such symptoms. The violation of abduction is similar to that of sexual assault.

dose Linda suffer from PTSD?

I'm not qualified to answer that.

has her Husband and children suffered mental anguish?

With respect, I feel that that question answers itself.

has her children been abducted?

Yes, Johnny's testimony is documented and filmed and is available at Linda's website.

I hope these answers help you out. Please bear in mind I can only answer what I'm capable of answering in regards to this.

Sincerely

Sean

 

[Constance]

Hi Rikki,

With respect, that video is not 3:00 a.m. in winter at a temperature of 28.04 degrees fahrenheit (the temperature
it was reported to be in that area on November 30, 1989).

There are people wearing short sleeves shirts in that video. It is not an accurate representation of the weather conditions
reported to have occurred on the night of November 30, 1989 in that area.

Weather Records New York City, Thursday, November 30, 1989 - The Linda Cortile UFO Abduction Case Website

Sincerely

Sean

I have to agree. The Fourth of July in the Big Apple is no comparison.

 

[Rikki]

The reasons I asked all that was this. From reading Mr Meers website Linda suffers from mental distress. I asked Mr Meers about PTSD because in reading and viewing interviews with Linda It is clear to me that Linda suffers from a form of PTSD. I work as a “coffee concealer” at a Rape crisis center. I deal with the victims of sexual assault daily. from every thing I saw what ever happened to Linda left mental scars. This is key to my judgment of the case. I don’t know what happened to Linda. But should I ever get the chance I would love to sit with her. Make her coffee hold her hand and ask “do you want to talk about it?” I never spoken to a woman who had something happen like what touched this poor woman. If she was NOT abducted then she suffers from a mental trauma that was induced by a dramatic and horrible experience. From all accounts Linda has a loving husband. A stable family life. And loving children. My only problem with the whole is why so few witnesses in NYC.. the bridge should had far more people on it even in 28 degree temperature and at 3 AM. And so was Linda abducted by aliens? I don’t know. I like my husband am on the fence. But what is CLEAR to me is that Linda has suffered and is suffering even today. I hope and pray Linda get the help she NEEDS and deserves and Mr Meers helps her get that help.

At least a kind woman to make coffee hold her hand and let her cry..

Blessed Be

Victoria Watson

 

[Tyger]

The reasons I asked all that was this. From reading Mr Meers website Linda suffers from mental distress. I asked Mr Meers about PTSD because in reading and viewing interviews with Linda It is clear to me that Linda suffers from a form of PTSD. I work as a “coffee concealer” at a Rape crisis center. I deal with the victims of sexual assault daily. from every thing I saw what ever happened to Linda left mental scars. This is key to my judgment of the case. I don’t know what happened to Linda. But should I ever get the chance I would love to sit with her. Make her coffee hold her hand and ask “do you want to talk about it?” I never spoken to a woman who had something happen like what touched this poor woman. If she was NOT abducted then she suffers from a mental trauma that was induced by a dramatic and horrible experience. From all accounts Linda has a loving husband. A stable family life. And loving children.

Pertinent observations imo.

My only problem with the whole is why so few witnesses in NYC.. the bridge should had far more people on it even in 28 degree temperature and at 3 AM.

Exactly so. Cold temps - when you're accustomed to them as an every day norm, and 28'F is a norm in the Northeast at that time of year - do not keep people from their (often) very early business. (28'F above zero is nippy - just below the freezing point at 32' - not really that cold - just nippy).

And so was Linda abducted by aliens? I don’t know. I like my husband am on the fence.

Nothing about this convinces me. But your point about some kind of trauma deserves note.

 

[kruggutter]

My only problem with the whole is why so few witnesses in NYC.. the bridge should had far more people on it even in 28 degree temperature and at 3 AM.

The number of witnesses cannot be accurately gauged by those who came forward.

Such a thing assumes that everyone who saw it reported it. Many people have reticence
about reporting ordinary things, let alone extraordinary things.

In addition to this, it is not known if people reported the incident to the police or military
because those institutions do not make their reports immediately and easily accessible to
the public