Soupie
Paranormal Adept
"The reason this should not be presupposed is that the kind of presentation that Husserl invokes may be (and in the most interesting cases, is) direct: it may proceed, that is, without requiring the mediation or existence of any kind of symbolic, internal, or cognitive re-presentation."@Soupie I'm unclear who/what is the I/me in this paragraph. I'll assume this is—what I would call—the phenomenal self.
What is confusing about "I/me"? Hopefully you use "I/me" every day ... or do you say to your co-workers: "How is the phenomenal self today?"
@Soupie So the phenomenal self—the I/me—is presented with something as something. And that this is then followed by phenomenological relflection.
No, just - I am presented with something.
as far as the direct phenomenological reflection of this presentation is concerned, there is no need to assume that this requires any ‘internal’ representation which mediates the presentation to me."
@Soupie The claim is there is no internal, cognitive mediation.
Why do you keep adding words? "... there is no need to assume that this requires any 'internal' representation which mediates the presentation to me"
@Soupie Based on things I've picked up from @Constance in the past, I think there is a school of thought in cognitive Phil of mind that all consciousness involves cognition/thought??? Including perception?
I'll let @Constance respond - but I don't think so ... again why do you add "cognitive" "cognitive Philosophy of Mind" - just say "philosophy of mind" ...
@Soupie So, I think the author is distinguishing this "presentational" view from a "representational" view that says perception always involves "cognitive" mediation???
I may be wrong - but it seems you are making it "cognitively" more difficult ... ;-) just look at the two words:
presentation - direct perception
re-presentation - presented again
the Wikipedia articles talks about the problems with both views ... but what may be helpful in this instance is that "re-presentation" could lead to an infinite regress or at least a finite one.
I don't think this is about direct Realism, but more to do with, as @Constance uses the terms, prereflective and reflective consciousness.
There are distinct schools of thought about Phil of mind, and cognitive neuroscience approaches consciousness computationally, which phenomenology and neurophenomenology do not.
As far as the "I/me" it is relevant and not as simple as you suggest. When I–the body self—am walking along, I don't say "here, I have been presented with a tree."
The whole notion of presentation is perplexing to non-continental thinking. Who or what is doing the presenting? The brain? Presenting to who? The phenomenal self? The body self?
Is the presentation physical or phenomenal!? Is the real tree (something) presented as a phenomenal tree (something)? Or are they both physical? Or both phenomenal?
I understand that phenomenology doesn't deal with substance dualism, so it's a monism.
I'm lost haha.