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Consciousness and the Paranormal — Part 3

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This is nearly EXACTLY it: I think Nagel and Chalmers don't appreciate the stance I advocate, which is that one can reductively explain the why and how, and discriminatory nature (i.e. the first-person characteristic) of phenomenal experience (in general terms) - I claim HCT does this - but importantly this does not entail having to explain "why I am me and you are you". I see them as completely different problems (which is against philosophical orthodoxy). Phenomenal consciousness can be explained reductively, whereas my phenomenal consciousness cannot (this is why I bring noumenon into the equation - perhaps I could borrow the term 'being-in-itself', or 'thing-as-such' but that's another story).

OK, I'm reading the HCT now, the part on the origins of life and unless you get to it in the book, I am going to ask you why you think, against orthodox biology:

As with living organisms, there is a tendency for all systems constructs to evolve increasing complex and resilient structures.

This does not follow from "the fittest organisms tend to survive" in fact, the fittest organisms always survive, no tend about it - that's from the defintion of environment - the only exception would be a miracle, ie something super natural, ie something outside the environment. Right or am I wrong way around?

I always refer folks to the arguments in Gould's The Spread of Excellence if they dare (and I hope they do!) argue for something like a direction in evolution. Because I'd like to see his arguments refuted.

explain the why and how, and discriminatory nature (i.e. the first-person characteristic) of phenomenal experience (in general terms) - I claim HCT does this

1. OK, excellent - what is the explanation, the why and how of phenomenal experience?

but importantly this does not entail having to explain "why I am me and you are you". I see them as completely different problems (which is against philosophical orthodoxy).

I'm not sure why this is against philosophical orthodoxy? just because then noumenal consciousness cannot be explained reductively? I think I see what you are saying ...

Phenomenal consciousness can be explained reductively, whereas my phenomenal consciousness cannot (this is why I bring noumenon into the equation - perhaps I could borrow the term 'being-in-itself', or 'thing-as-such' but that's another story).

Ok - so I need to read on noumenal consciousness next - in what way is it not reductive?
 
Part 3 of 3 on the Origins of Life – Systems structures evolve. They are compelled to evolve because circumstances dictate that certain interactive conditions cause structural instability and deformation. This instability and deformation can then lead coincidentally to the formation of new systems constructs. Inevitably, new constructs that have greater resilience tend to have greater temporal value and persistence, whilst weakened structures dissipate more readily. Similarly, in their writings on the origin of species, Darwin and Wallace articulate that the fittest organisms tend to survive. As with living organisms, there is a tendency for all systems constructs to evolve increasing complex and resilient structures. What can one say of this complexity and resilience? – It demonstrates that systems constructs have varying degrees of resilience to environmental conditions. In other words, some structures demonstrate that they are more ‘informed about their environment’ than others: In this context,

Ahh ... this is interesting, I see the increasing complexity to get to life or reproducibility (which might not happen in all universe!) but an environment can shift so that a simpler organism is now fit? ... (that might be happening here on Earth now) this ability to represent the environment is one kind of adaptability ... but it's finite, unless it grows to some kind of omniscience, it's not going to trump every kind of adaptability ... and it's competing with simplicity, in fact intelligence might have evolved because that was the niche open to evolve into ... so of life itself, complexity and simplicity, varying degrees of passive and active perception can compete ... and in fact micro-organisms have "dumbly" ridden along with the evolution of more complex forms of life ...

but the general ability to represent, yes I see that ... I'm just not buying (yet) that it's going in a particular direction ... what comes after us humans, could, according to biological orthodoxy, be less "intelligent" in the ways we value but more intelligent in other ways and that's either

1. in a Transhumanist world where there is a collective intelligence that requires less of some of the kinds of traits we might value in order to be a part of that hive or

2. in a return to an agrarian society where the intelligence valued has to do with living from the land ...

Now, I don't say I'm ruling teleology out ... I'm just looking for evidence ... so I'm reading Coren 2001 now.

Coren, R. (2001). Empirical evidence for a law of information growth. Entropy, 3, 259-272
http://www.mdpi.org/entropy/papers/e3040259.pdf
 
Coren, R. (2001). Empirical evidence for a law of information growth. Entropy, 3, 259-272
http://www.mdpi.org/entropy/papers/e3040259.pdf


Abstract:
Based on a robust, phenomenological model for the growth of a system parameter, a relation is derived to test the evolution of such a parameter through several distinct stages. It is found that data defining the acknowledged major changes in the evolution of earth, the life on it, and cultural and technological growth, conform to this model. The nature of these altering events indicates that information is the parameter involved, suggesting an unrecognized behavior in the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

@Pharoah
I have to pick a nit then with this:

The infographic does not show why there are complexity cycles at each hierarchical level, nor does it explain the cause of emergent transitions. However, HCT does provide detailed answers to these questions – to be found in the book. Undoubtedly, there is a universal directedness that drives evolutionary complexity for all constructs. There is a unity underlying the diversity. HCT explains this directedness through Newton’s Laws of Motion, as will be covered briefly at the end of this post.

*this doesn't seem to be covered at the end of the post? Maybe you left it out?

One can think of Newton’s Laws as the axiom underpinning HCT; the evolutionary cycles and the emergence of new hierarchical levels. It is for this reason, that I claim HCT to be a reductive explanation of phenomenal experience; because the unified principles explain the immense diversity observed in all the complexity cycles.

Because you now have "an unrecognized behavior in the Second Law of Thermodynamics" ... right?

Also,

One can think of Newton’s Laws as the axiom underpinning HCT; the evolutionary cycles and the emergence of new hierarchical levels. It is for this reason, that I claim HCT to be a reductive explanation of phenomenal experience; because the unified principles explain the immense diversity observed in all the complexity cycles.

To be reductive, it has to explain all the diversity ...

1 that's where Newton's laws themselves gave way to QM and
2 where Kelly et al are picking at the edges of these kinds of explanations ...
 
@Constance
@Soupie

compare this:

Coren, R. (2001). Empirical evidence for a law of information growth. Entropy, 3, 259-272http://www.mdpi.org/entropy/papers/e3040259.pdf

Abstract:
Based on a robust, phenomenological model for the growth of a system parameter, a relation is derived to test the evolution of such a parameter through several distinct stages. It is found that data defining the acknowledged major changes in the evolution of earth, the life on it, and cultural and technological growth, conform to this model. The nature of these altering events indicates that information is the parameter
involved, suggesting an unrecognized behavior in the Second Law of Thermodynamics.


with the Ergod of the Information Philosopher
 
This is nearly EXACTLY it: I think Nagel and Chalmers don't appreciate the stance I advocate, which is that one can reductively explain the why and how, and discriminatory nature (i.e. the first-person characteristic) of phenomenal experience (in general terms) - I claim HCT does this - but importantly this does not entail having to explain "why I am me and you are you". I see them as completely different problems (which is against philosophical orthodoxy). Phenomenal consciousness can be explained reductively, whereas my phenomenal consciousness cannot (this is why I bring noumenon into the equation - perhaps I could borrow the term 'being-in-itself', or 'thing-as-such' but that's another story).

1. You still have to prove that HCT can reductively explain phenomenal experience.

2. What do you mean by the statement in red about 'philosophical orthodoxy' preventing you from distinguishing these problems? Obviously we can all distinguish between these problems and also see their interrelations. But for you the two problems must be seen and approached as "completely different problems." Why and on what grounds do you individually make this demand against what you refer to as 'philosophical orthodoxy'? I see little 'orthodoxy' in philosophy as a whole, which involves continually questioning and critiqueing all positions. Are you perhaps mis-taking 'philosophy' to refer only to analytical philosophy? Is it perhaps analytical philosophy with its focus on (a) 'definitions' [linguistic expressions], (b) an assumption that usable words refer to 'objective' things, and (c) the expectation that these words/definitions must be consistent with one another that has you in an intellectual bind produced by your adherence to the analytical school? Analytical philosophy might have been the type of philosophy you encountered in your training or reading, but it no longer serves you or anyone who seeks to understand what consciousness is.
 
OK, I'm reading the HCT now, the part on the origins of life and unless you get to it in the book, I am going to ask you why you think, against orthodox biology:

As with living organisms, there is a tendency for all systems constructs to evolve increasing complex and resilient structures.

This does not follow from "the fittest organisms tend to survive" in fact, the fittest organisms always survive, no tend about it - that's from the defintion of environment - the only exception would be a miracle, ie something super natural, ie something outside the environment. Right or am I wrong way around?

I always refer folks to the arguments in Gould's The Spread of Excellence if they dare (and I hope they do!) argue for something like a direction in evolution. Because I'd like to see his arguments refuted.

explain the why and how, and discriminatory nature (i.e. the first-person characteristic) of phenomenal experience (in general terms) - I claim HCT does this

1. OK, excellent - what is the explanation, the why and how of phenomenal experience?

but importantly this does not entail having to explain "why I am me and you are you". I see them as completely different problems (which is against philosophical orthodoxy).

I'm not sure why this is against philosophical orthodoxy? just because then noumenal consciousness cannot be explained reductively? I think I see what you are saying ...

Phenomenal consciousness can be explained reductively, whereas my phenomenal consciousness cannot (this is why I bring noumenon into the equation - perhaps I could borrow the term 'being-in-itself', or 'thing-as-such' but that's another story).

Ok - so I need to read on noumenal consciousness next - in what way is it not reductive?

Say, for argument, I was the fittest human organism... I could by chance be run over tomorrow before I had had a chance to procreate. Also, I am the fittest adaptation to my forebears environment. If the environment suddenly changes, I might still die and that fitness is all for nothing. So increasing resilience is a tendency and complexity a general trend (with exceptions)

1. I'm preparing that... but I keep getting interuoted!

philosophical orthodxy. Dennet argues against dualism as a reason why materialism must be able to provide and explanation of consciusness. Geoffrey Madell said to me that he didn't agree with my theory 'because he is a dualist'. It's the same for everyone: they think that phenomenal experience is consciousness and that this pits the problem up against dualism and materialism. Once you explain phenomenal experience, you realise that it does not breach the dualism materialism dichotomy - you cqn be an advocate of HCT and yet be either a dualist or a materialist.

My noumenon paper is a speculative exploration.... all cards are on the table with noumenal consciousness ;)
 
Say, for argument, I was the fittest human organism... I could by chance be run over tomorrow before I had had a chance to procreate. Also, I am the fittest adaptation to my forebears environment. If the environment suddenly changes, I might still die and that fitness is all for nothing. So increasing resilience is a tendency and complexity a general trend (with exceptions)

1. I'm preparing that... but I keep getting interuoted!

philosophical orthodxy. Dennet argues against dualism as a reason why materialism must be able to provide and explanation of consciusness. Geoffrey Madell said to me that he didn't agree with my theory 'because he is a dualist'. It's the same for everyone: they think that phenomenal experience is consciousness and that this pits the problem up against dualism and materialism. Once you explain phenomenal experience, you realise that it does not breach the dualism materialism dichotomy - you cqn be an advocate of HCT and yet be either a dualist or a materialist.

My noumenon paper is a speculative exploration.... all cards are on the table with noumenal consciousness ;)

No ... because whatever ran you over was part of the environment. (so was and is, always, chance - how do you adapt to chance?)

And what caused you to be run over, anyway? Chance? OK, maybe ... or maybe you were busy, by chance, thinking about HCT? That's not very adaptive! ;-) But you see my point - the whole thing is set up as a tautalogy, what survives was the fittest ... you can't determine who is the fittest until the fat lady sings ... the guy who was a little slower now ends up consoling your girl friend ... or do I have it wrong way around again?

Same way with you argument about the environment suddenly changing, environments do that all the time - it's just one more thing to adapt to ...

The more a system’s physiologies are an informed construct, in so far as they incorporate the complexities of their environment through their functional reactive behaviours, the more resilient they will be to the environment’s destructive capabilities. Consequently, there is a drive toward greater environmental resilience in the evolution of physiologies, which in turn, become increasingly complex to reflect the changing nature of environmental interaction.

Or they grow a very hard shell and settle in for billions of years ... and remember the environment has many niches. One includes running out in front of cars as a hazard but that isn't a problem for the bacteria in that same environment, right? Nature hedges her bets ... cards on the table, indeed! ;-)
 
Forgot to add point 3 to my critique above.

3. Re: "Phenomenal consciousness can be explained reductively, whereas my phenomenal consciousness cannot (this is why I bring noumenon into the equation - perhaps I could borrow the term 'being-in-itself', or 'thing-as-such' but that's another story)." See my point 1 (it is not proved that phenomenal consciousness can be explained reductively). Your peculiar application of "noumenon" as an issue for Problem B -- but not Problem A? -- needs justification. Borrowing terms from Heidegger will not help you unless you first read and grok Heidegger. What you have lacked in working out your HCT theory is an understanding of phenomenological philosophy and the biological and neurophenomenological extensions of that philosophy.
 
So, again according to orthodoxy, complexity is one more way of being adaptive and increasing complexity occurs only if it's increasingly adaptive and then ceases when it isn't - after all, it's not just our complexity in terms of intelligence ... but we carry all kinds of things related to a bigger brain that is probably the cause of that intelligence - women die in childbirth because the size of the head is pretty much as big as the hips will allow or bigger ... so some species of homo might never have gotten a start because nature was fine tuning that ratio ... or maybe something else will be linked to high intelligence that turns out to be lethal when the environment changes ... if there's a general trend with exceptions toward complexity, orthodoxy argues there is a much bigger one on the other of the statistical curve toward simplicity and we tend to ignore it in order to come to the conclusion that things are getting more complex ... ? yes, no?
 
1. You still have to prove that HCT can reductively explain phenomenal experience.

2. What do you mean by the statement in red about 'philosophical orthodoxy' preventing you from distinguishing these problems? Obviously we can all distinguish between these problems and also see their interrelations. But for you the two problems must be seen and approached as "completely different problems." Why and on what grounds do you individually make this demand against what you refer to as 'philosophical orthodoxy'? I see little 'orthodoxy' in philosophy as a whole, which involves continually questioning and critiqueing all positions. Are you perhaps mis-taking 'philosophy' to refer only to analytical philosophy? Is it perhaps analytical philosophy with its focus on (a) 'definitions' [linguistic expressions], (b) an assumption that usable words refer to 'objective' things, and (c) the expectation that these words/definitions must be consistent with one another that has you in an intellectual bind produced by your adherence to the analytical school? Analytical philosophy might have been the type of philosophy you encountered in your training or reading, but it no longer serves you or anyone who seeks to understand what consciousness is.

1. My arguments in HCT may be little understood, but they are very tight. I appreciate that I need to re-write and improve my communication.

2. I kind of answered this in my last thread. If you reductively explain phenomenal consciousness, you isolate the deeper question of 'being', of 'existence'. It took me twenty years to realise this! They are currently conflated in western philosophical discourse... (there are exceptions of course.)... because the experience of reality is entwined with being like no other. And yes, I do not know anything about eastern philosophy.
 
Coren 2001 is very interesgting ... I'm taking the math for granted right now, but will try to have a closer look, to what extent I can - later, do you have other sources that critique or support his argument?
 
1. My arguments in HCT may be little understood, but they are very tight. I appreciate that I need to re-write and improve my communication.

We'll see when you present a clear, readable, and sufficiently detailed account of HCT.

2. I kind of answered this in my last thread. If you reductively explain phenomenal consciousness, you isolate the deeper question of 'being', of 'existence'. It took me twenty years to realise this! They are currently conflated in western philosophical discourse... (there are exceptions of course.)... because the experience of reality is entwined with being like no other. And yes, I do not know anything about eastern philosophy.

Or about western phenomenological philosophy, so you know what you need to investigate. You probably should start with Heidegger, but Heidegger alone will not be sufficient. Steve pointed out that H. does distinguish being/Being from individual conscious beings, whose situation is radically existential. Maybe you need to start with identifying where "western philosophical discourse" conflates being with existence. You believe it does that everywhere? That claim is a further demonstration that your own reading of western philosophy since the phenomenological turn has been radically limited, almost parochial.
 
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I have just received a reply from the australasian journal of philosophy.
I am too nervous to read it.
I think I am going to go sleep now and read in morning.
 
1. My arguments in HCT may be little understood, but they are very tight. I appreciate that I need to re-write and improve my communication.

2. I kind of answered this in my last thread. If you reductively explain phenomenal consciousness, you isolate the deeper question of 'being', of 'existence'. It took me twenty years to realise this! They are currently conflated in western philosophical discourse... (there are exceptions of course.)... because the experience of reality is entwined with being like no other. And yes, I do not know anything about eastern philosophy.

I want to hear about the exceptions ... but I'm going to keep reading now to see what it is that drives this increase in complexity, Coren 2001 must be very controversial or very fringe! Although the oft posted article on Nagel and his idea of naturalistic teleology says that many biologists believe, including Nobel laeureates ... we never did get our discussion of teleology off the ground and now I'm wondering why?

It must be understood that this Trajectory is not an indication of a directed process but is merely an indication of the direction of progress. From The Second Law of Thermodynamics, we know that the increase of entropy is a consequence of the dynamics of system change, not their source, although we often use it as such. However,


Processes that generate order are in no sense driven by the growth of entropy.”[10]

The relation between entropy and information means that this is true of the latter as well as the former. Despite this the extent of The Evolutionary Trajectory suggests that there is a fundamental behavior that is being observed. . We have been led to it by the logistic extension of equation (6) but once presented it can be regarded as a purely an empirical result, pertaining to evolution on earth.

The questions of whether a theoretical foundation can be found or whether the relation applies elsewhere, and at what rate, are, at this point, conjecture.


"The trajectory of information evolution on earth extends over 13 transitional events, spanning 8 orders of magnitude of time. Even for a logarithmic relation that is an impressive range. The wide success of the logistic model in many fields results from its descriptive simplicity, that seems to cut through complex details that accompany most system changes. The trajectory itself is based on the simple logarithmic relation that is also doubtlessly more robust than the derivation given here. It seems to depend primarily on the product of terms describing the stages."

But here I would want to know how it's determined to be an impressive range since this is an n=1, there's no comparing it to other cases, is there? As he admits, and you, its an open question whether it applies anywhere but Earth ... and it could all come crashing down ... but I like that he makes a prediction, check this out:

Also conjectural are the likelihood and nature of evolutionary event 13, which appears be immanent in about 100 years, and the convergence of the trajectory to the year 2135. From the recent nature of the trajectory it is clear that event 13 must be of a technological- informational nature. It is important to realize that the ultimate convergence does NOT imply an end to evolution but, perhaps, a change of its mode, or associated parameters, or rate of change, or etc. Futurists, sociologists and others concerned with the intense nature of our present society have been predicting such a change for decades. A technical analysis of these issues are presented elsewhere [8].

Got to check out #8!
 
@Constance
@Soupie

compare this:

Coren, R. (2001). Empirical evidence for a law of information growth. Entropy, 3, 259-272http://www.mdpi.org/entropy/papers/e3040259.pdf

Abstract:
Based on a robust, phenomenological model for the growth of a system parameter, a relation is derived to test the evolution of such a parameter through several distinct stages. It is found that data defining the acknowledged major changes in the evolution of earth, the life on it, and cultural and technological growth, conform to this model. The nature of these altering events indicates that information is the parameter
involved, suggesting an unrecognized behavior in the Second Law of Thermodynamics.


with the Ergod of the Information Philosopher

Reading it now. Foregrounding this paragraph:


"In particular, students of life processes have long been troubled by the prevalence of the reduced entropy states of biological systems, created and maintained by the living metabolic processes: Schroedinger [2] referred to this as production of “negentropy.” Historically this situation contributed
to the assertion of a unique feature of living systems, an elan vital, that defines life. While this has
long been recognized as a retrogressive concept that lacks justification, it occasionally turns up hidden even in modern analyses
[3]."

Schrodinger evidently did not see the difference that evolving life makes as a 'retrogressive concept'. He explored Eastern philosophy and wrote texts concerning mind. Quantum mind theorists and phenomenologists such as Varela and Thompson also pursue negentropy and dissipitative systems theory in their cross-disciplinary work on consciousness. I'll read more of this author but I have to say that from the paragraph I quote above, his thinking seems to be locked into the physicalist paradigm within which the elan vital was historically rejected. We might not today accept the formulations of the elan vital of the past; that doesn't mean that we 'know' that life makes no difference in the territory of the feeling and thinking being, the eventually conscious being, that we yet fail to understand.
 
I want to hear about the exceptions ... but I'm going to keep reading now to see what it is that drives this increase in complexity, Coren 2001 must be very controversial or very fringe! Although the oft posted article on Nagel and his idea of naturalistic teleology says that many biologists believe, including Nobel laeureates ... we never did get our discussion of teleology off the ground and now I'm wondering why?

It must be understood that this Trajectory is not an indication of a directed process but is merely an indication of the direction of progress. From The Second Law of Thermodynamics, we know that the increase of entropy is a consequence of the dynamics of system change, not their source, although we often use it as such. However,


Processes that generate order are in no sense driven by the growth of entropy.”[10]

The relation between entropy and information means that this is true of the latter as well as the former. Despite this the extent of The Evolutionary Trajectory suggests that there is a fundamental behavior that is being observed. . We have been led to it by the logistic extension of equation (6) but once presented it can be regarded as a purely an empirical result, pertaining to evolution on earth.

The questions of whether a theoretical foundation can be found or whether the relation applies elsewhere, and at what rate, are, at this point, conjecture.


"The trajectory of information evolution on earth extends over 13 transitional events, spanning 8 orders of magnitude of time. Even for a logarithmic relation that is an impressive range. The wide success of the logistic model in many fields results from its descriptive simplicity, that seems to cut through complex details that accompany most system changes. The trajectory itself is based on the simple logarithmic relation that is also doubtlessly more robust than the derivation given here. It seems to depend primarily on the product of terms describing the stages."

But here I would want to know how it's determined to be an impressive range since this is an n=1, there's no comparing it to other cases, is there? As he admits, and you, its an open question whether it applies anywhere but Earth ... and it could all come crashing down ... but I like that he makes a prediction, check this out:

Also conjectural are the likelihood and nature of evolutionary event 13, which appears be immanent in about 100 years, and the convergence of the trajectory to the year 2135. From the recent nature of the trajectory it is clear that event 13 must be of a technological- informational nature. It is important to realize that the ultimate convergence does NOT imply an end to evolution but, perhaps, a change of its mode, or associated parameters, or rate of change, or etc. Futurists, sociologists and others concerned with the intense nature of our present society have been predicting such a change for decades. A technical analysis of these issues are presented elsewhere [8].

Got to check out #8!

Thanks for highlighting these claims of the author of that paper. It seems he's looking for 'logarithms' that can account for everything that has happened in the evolution of the apparent universe in which our planet exists. I don't see how this idea can expand beyond the level of a hypothesis.
 
Yes, good luck Pharoah. If the paper is published you will probably receive responses and reactions from elsewhere. I hope you'll share them with us so we can see whether they correspond with responses and reactions offered here.
 
. . . philosophical orthodxy. Dennet argues against dualism as a reason why materialism must be able to provide and explanation of consciusness.

Dualism is "a reason why materialism must be able to [explain consciousness]"?? Because he rejects dualism we all must? He must be able to do better than that.


Geoffrey Madell said to me that he didn't agree with my theory 'because he is a dualist'. It's the same for everyone: they think that phenomenal experience is consciousness and that this pits the problem up against dualism and materialism.

I don't know what 'everyone' thinks, but phenomenologists recognize that experience leads to consciousness rather than equating consciousness. The evolution of consciousness in living species begins with experience in and of the environment marked by the affectivity that Panksepp and Varela et al recognize in the behavior of primitive organisms. Affectivity does not resolve the question of dualism or monism, nor do the developments of affectivity toward the sense of 'self'-involvement in the experienced environment, evolving into protoconsciousness and consciousness and mind. None of this rules out the existence of either the subjectivity or the objectivity disclosed in the phenomenologically understood nature of lived experience in the environment/world. Experience is the site of the recognition of simultaneously present subjective and objective poles in our conceptions of 'reality' to the extent of the limits of human learning and thinking to date about what-is.

Once you explain phenomenal experience, you realise that it does not breach the dualism materialism dichotomy - you cqn be an advocate of HCT and yet be either a dualist or a materialist.

That remains to be demonstrated.


My noumenon paper is a speculative exploration.... all cards are on the table with noumenal consciousness ;)

Is this the paper you sent to the Australian journal? Is there a link to a location where I can read it online?
 
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I think Chalmers has a comment on IIT ... not sure he's said much though

Giulio Tononi on Consciousness as Integrated Information | Richard Brown

This seems to indicate that Chalmers had the idea first then Tononi developed it mathematically as Phi ... Chalmers seems to be saying it's the leading theory!
Here's the entry for Chalmers from the IP:

David Chalmers is a philosopher of mind whose characterization of consciousness as "the hard problem" has set a very high bar for understanding the mind. He says that "the problem of quantum mechanics is almost as hard as the problem of consciousness."

Chalmers describes his position as a naturalistic dualism. He doubts that consciousness can be explained by physical theories, because consciousness is itself not physical. We agree, because all experiences are recorded and reproduced as immaterial information - in both conscious and unconscious playback. But information, while not material, is embodied in the physical. It is a property of the material world.

Chalmers says that the failure of supervenience implies that materialism - as a monistic theory of the complete contents of the world, that there is "nothing but" matter, and that the world is "causally closed," for example - is "false." We agree with this and believe that the reductionist arguments of Jaegwon Kim can be shown wrong.

  1. In our world, there are conscious experiences.
  2. There is a logically possible world physically identical to ours, in which the positive facts about consciousness in our world do not hold.
  3. Therefore, facts about consciousness are further facts about our world, over and above the physical facts.
  4. So materialism is false.
(The Conscious Mind (1996), p.123)

Chalmers suggests that the dualistic (non-physical) element might be information. Indeed it might. With this idea too, information philosophy completely agrees. Mind/body is a property dualism

Chalmers says that a "fundamental theory of consciousness" might be based on information. He says that "physical realization is the most common way to think about information embedded in the world, but it is not the only way information can be found. We can also find information realized in our phenomenology." (ibid, p.284)

He is quite correct. Information is neither matter nor energy. It needs matter to be embedded temporarily in the brain. And it needs energy to be communicated. Phenomenal experiences transmitted to us as visual perceptions, for example, consist of information that is pure radiant energy. The pure (mental) information content in one brain can be transmitted to other brains, by converting it to energy for communication; other brains can then embody the same information (perhaps with significant differences in the details) for use by other minds (the "multiply realizable" software in different brains' hardware).

Chalmers comes very close to our view of the mind as information. He describes his fundamental theory as a "double-aspect principle."

The treatment of information brings out a crucial link between the physical and the phenomenal: whenever we find an information space realized phenomenally, we find the same information space realized physically...It is natural to suppose that this double life of information spaces corresponds to a duality at a deep level. We might even suggest that this double realization is the key to the fundamental connection between physical processes and conscious experience. We need some sort of construct to make the link, and information seems as good a construct as any. It may be that principles concerning the double realization of information could be fleshed out into a system of basic laws connecting the physical and phenomenal domains.

We might put this by suggesting as a basic principle that information (in the actual world) has two aspects, a physical and a phenomenal aspect. Wherever there is a phenomenal state, it realizes an information state, an information state that is also realized in the cognitive system of the brain. Conversely, for at least some physically realized information spaces, whenever an information state in that space is realized physically, it is also realized phenomenally...

Information seems to be a simple and straightforward construct that is well suited for this sort of connection, and which may hold the promise of yielding a set of laws that are simple and comprehensive. If such a set of laws could be achieved, then we might truly have a fundamental theory of consciousness.

It may just be...that there is a way of seeing information itself as fundamental.


(The Conscious Mind (1996), pp.284-7)

In his conclusions, Chalmers declares himself to be a mind-body dualist.

I resisted mind-body dualism for a long time, but I have now come to the point where I accept it, not just as the only tenable view but as a satisfying view in its own right. It is always possible that I am confused, or that there is a new and radical possibility that I have overlooked; but I can comfortably say that I think dualism is very likely true. I have also raised the possibility of a kind of panpsychism. Like mind-body dualism, this is initially counterintuitive, but the counterintuitiveness disappears with time. I am unsure whether the view is true or false, but it is at least intellectually appealing, and on reflection it is not too crazy to be acceptable.

(The Conscious Mind (1996), p.357)


In recent years, Chalmers has explored panpsychism, the thesis that some fundamental entities have mental states. Thomas Nagel and Galen Strawson have also examined panpsychism. Since information is a universal property of matter, it "goes all the way down," so the basis of mentality - information - is present in the simplest physical structures.
I particulary like the statement about information having a physical property and a phenomenal property. If you recall, I've never liked that Property Dualism cited the "primal" substance as physical. That never made sense to me.

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Instead, it should be a neutral substance (information/data) with two properties: physical and phenomenal. But we don't want to go there again, haha.

But this of course doesn't tell us why information would have these two properties. But as Chalmers notes, we don't know why matter has many of its physical properties (nor for that matter do we know why matter itself exists).
 
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