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Consciousness and the Paranormal — Part 7

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Victimized,

Have you ever been diagnosed as schitzophrenic, whether you agreed with that evaluation or not?

The more I read your posts, the more it seems you were diagnosed with something, but you disagree with that evaluation, because people used to consider the idea of "hearing voices" a spiritual one (per your understanding of history).

Instead, you seem to assert that hearing voices is natural, but that the ancient leaders of humanity, starting with the philosophers of antiquity, destroyed their own minds (on some level) through the unnatural study of the natural. Through this study, they crated the concepts of "SION" -- apparently the abstract concept behind any word ending in the suffix -sion -- which they then used to alter their environment unnaturally, while simultaneously convincing their "lessers" that the pre existing understanding of nature was incorrect.

Ultimately, one of the consequences of this "unnatural thinking" was the harnessing of nuclear energy. If I'm understanding correctly, the introduction of nuclear energy further destroyed the minds of humanity, pushing them further from some original, natural truth or understanding.

In addition to radiation, another byproduct of "unnatural thinking" was the invention of religion. I'm not yet sure how that comes into play in your lore narrative, or what it has to do with irradiated brains.

Frankly, I infer from most of your stuff that you have been diagnosed with a psychological affliction, much to your disapproval, and believe that said diagnoses is an extension, or byproduct, of a millennia old conspiracy having to do with the development of the sciences and the understanding of the human mind. You instead believe that your mental state is/was natural, thus fine, but that on some level -- either through the direct application of medical process or the indirect exposure to what you believe to be radiation in the atmosphere -- your mind was altered or affected by radioactivity.

Edit: Or, are you saying you hear voices because you were irradiated, whether intentionally or indirectly, and the same method was used on people throughout history to make them hear voices so the people doing the irradiating could influence/control them into establishing the religions of the world, which were hand crafted by the people doing the irradiating?

In any event, I really like the lore you've created for yourself, regardless of whether or not it's the output of a schitzophrenic brain.

No, I have not been diagnosed with schizophrenia as my family were witnesses to the brain burning attack I gained, and as stated lived previously in a natural, healthy life, healthy mind, only afflicted with an inherited DNA radiated cell mutation, like many of my family living a life on Earth. I worked as a normal functioning human being, suffered from my physical ailment, and sought medicine for my physical condition of cell mutation. Modern medicine only caused my ailment to alter its condition into a new condition as many medical aids do (side affects), so I sought natural medicines and healing.

This circumstance of choice owned by many human beings who realize that natural medicine and healing is an age old practice as an alternative to the modern doctoring processes, another consideration of controlled ancient practices overtaken by modern greed.

It is an age old practice of the elitists who control all circumstances to make modern humanity believe that the spiritual life was once lived as a modern native life is lived, as a lesser intelligence and natural experience by their review states lesser intelligence, yet these natives, also having been attacked evolved, just like everyone else. Hence the old spiritual ways by historical evidence were just as technical aware as a spiritually lived experience as the modern days. When you learn from your past mistakes it is obvious that you would then choose to live the natural life.

If you review data, and how the data of consciousness and feedback relates to the atmospheric condition, it is obvious from historical artifacts that in earlier periods on Earth real intelligent and spiritual human life existed, and we de-evolved due to the fall out irradiation of our human mind/cells. Planet Earth was attacked and the nature on Earth denatured into its mutated form. The history of evidence supports this review, where artifacts were found deep inside huge sink hole pits of incinerated matter (coal), where above ground nuclear explosions destroyed ancient life, stone was melted and life and Planet Earth denatured.

The information fed back from personal DNA recorded life voice/image is an atmospheric recorded interaction that has always allowed the human mind to gain all differing forms of information, from scientific interactive recorded data, to human kind's past lived life experiences....called feedback. We only know what we do as a human mind/consciousness due to our natural mind/brain and psyche function, interacting with the atmospheric condition. The atmosphere with its photon interaction records all interactive data...from stone's interactive converting, to the atmospheric body, insects, plants, animals and humans.

Therefore as the atmospheric mass cooled by the ancient instant snap freeze, the nature of life on Earth began to re-evolve back into its previous lived experience. This is why the human male living, interacting with atmospheric feed back was given the personal advice of his own ancient awareness, and wrote the stories about the UFO condition and how it had attacked life on Earth.....involving a Universal activated change. The only way that a human being would write such stories is due to the obvious...they were living in the times when the attack was activated, because they activated the attack themselves.

If you want to quibble about the God realization, it is also obvious that we live first as a natural being without sciences. Science is a choice that also involves a choice of invention. Invention relates to acts of converting/transforming natural conditions into unnatural conditions, simply for the gain of power.

Therefore when a natural spiritual mind first considered concepts from the atmospheric feed back relating to fusion and seals of stone, he proposed the condition of circles O. When the atmosphere fed back his thought proposal, it placed his own spiritual organic image inside of the circle, which was a false/fake realization consideration. Hence when he changed the atmospheric condition and caused fall out of natural nuclear fusion and sound, it then attacked him, attacked Earth, placed sink holes in Earth because he caused the condition of attack himself.

This is why he realized that God supported/evolved the spirit by the condition of atmospheric holiness....do not touch or change the natural state. He did change the natural state of fusion, the concept of God changed and it then attacked him. This is the same realization that the modern life is now experiencing due to occult practices, which is why scientific conversion is considered an evil attack and an evil caused condition by the believers of a Creator concept....for creation evolved naturally.

When we discuss consciousness we should also discuss unconscious choice, which belongs to unnatural recorded or artificial feed back, as a consideration of recorded voice, recorded imagery being fed back unnaturally in the destroyed wavelengths due to nuclear irradiation. Hence the conditions attacking us are artificial and so is the concept of reviewing the human mind being attacked by a cause as a consideration....an artificial statement.

It is easy to dis-inform the public about considering mental health when the "threat" is to be locked away in an asylum if you dared to challenge the hierarchy.

Hence through the photon recording process all bodies gain a recording that the atmosphere then owns which gave the ancient human mind who was a spiritual human the ability to seek what they proposed was wisdom. Yet when you review how the High Priest or Shaman gained the information, he did so in a chemically changed mind, a drugged state from plant matter. The plant matter, a greater irradiated chemical function allowed him to resource information that did not belong as a feed back condition to his natural mind.

This is why science was first resourced through a changed mind, a drugged mind and a mind condition that demonstrates that irradiation caused by the applied ancient occult sciences attacked the human mind in a condition of radiation that belonged to Nature, or plant life. Hence his spiritual mind was lost and his new altered scientific mind was gained, due to the amount of radiation increased in the atmosphere as image/voice/recorded feedback.

This is the only reason why he then believed that he was God and aptly named himself so, as the Creator and inventor of sciences....whereas in fact he has only ever been a mutated male mind condition that is dis-spirited as a fact of personal unconsciousness as his own consideration.

It is because of his own mind considering atmospheric feed back that he then invented terms of references relating to his families lower consciousness or if consciousness existed in 2 places at once. Whereas in fact consciousness is 1 state, a spiritual state that was mutated/attacked by the atmospheric feed back, and the hearing of voices due to this condition unnatural to the natural condition, but caused by conversion.

The detail of SION only relates to the circumstance that our occult brother was made aware of the states of fu SION and then wanted to play powerful magician/inventor as a self owned problem of his own person...a denatured spiritual circumstance, already exhibiting a changed nature of his origin self. The origin spiritual native being, aware that our occult brother is an evil minded power monger has always tried to warn him, only due to his own self realization that males previously had destroyed life on Earth by occult practices.

This situation does not make you mental or an observation of some lesser form of being or intelligence, it really only states a changed/mutated and differing form of conscious expression. Has the changed mental and physical state been abused by those who have not inherited this condition, of course it has.

As the scientific occultist who formed all pretext of conscious explanation and evaluation live as a controlling human mind in the conditions of wanting to control all information, they used this status to then impose it upon healthy living human beings who when irradiated then get treated as if they are like the inherited mutated lives. This is only due to the fact that the occultists already knew that they mutated their families brain and natural DNA inheritance and did not want the living healthy human being life to be aware of this fact.

This is why they use the method of disinformation as if the human who has experienced life changes has suddenly inherited mental health as a condition of the lived life experience. The truth to mental health is that the human body/life DNA is already encoded with the interactive chemical reactions that caused the living being to become mentally disturbed by not being able to cope with the chemical reactive emotional state caused in normal life relationships.

I have never suffered this condition, I was involved in assisting the human beings suffering from this state, learnt spiritual healing and was then experimented upon due to my awareness, mind state and personal caring lived life as a circumstance of self experience and also interactions with others that proved spiritual healing had worked.

As the modern day occultist is trying to own our atmosphere as the spirit of creation...cell creation, cell energy holding, cell energy body use and cell energy body replacement they have been illegally occult studying our life cell, as if it belongs to an energy that they can remove from the atmosphere for their new theories of resourcing atmospheric energy.

The only form of occult resourcing that belongs to occultism belongs to a product and the converting of the product. They have now come to consider the natural organic life as that product and have been trying to convert us all as an organic process...just as our minds and cell function demonstrate.

No matter how you reference my information as a reader, your review does not consider the fact that I was irradiated and my brain function changed, as a personal observation only known by a healthy human life and mind. I no longer communicate my thoughts as I once did, and yes, I only heard the voice feedback of the atmosphere after I was irradiated.

Before this time I knew from my psychic interaction of thinking and gaining information replied to me, that the psychic spiritual feedback had changed and instead of simply gaining basic spiritual values from mind considerations, I began to gain scientific feedback data.....and I never studied science, was very poor at mathematics/algebra and hence knew that this information was not coming from my personal lived experience.
 
What event literally took place that caused you to be irradiated?

What exact, literal event, explained in pragmatic, exact prose, took place?

Without going into the history of occult brothers, etc., express what happened to your brain, exactly. Like, on the day you were irradiated, what were you doing? Where did the radiation come from?
 
What event literally took place that caused you to be irradiated?

What exact, literal event, explained in pragmatic, exact prose, took place?

Without going into the history of occult brothers, etc., express what happened to your brain, exactly. Like, on the day you were irradiated, what were you doing? Where did the radiation come from?
First of all, I had written and correlated the data of the psychic informed feed back that I was gaining. I then studied the occult literature that related to ancient sciences and began form a book theory about the concepts of God and heavenly spirit consciousness versus natural spiritual awareness.

I began to study information on forums and interacted with others.

As a psychic human I then gained a personal "feeling" and motivation to go to Graham Hancock's forum which was studying the ancient wisdom along with Shamanic practices. In this circumstance, at night I began to loose my ability to sleep. My sister who like me had gained a similar psychic insight also began to demonstrate that when we awoke we could hear questions being asked in our mind.

One night I gained a personal experience where I felt my body being attacked and my brain felt like it had signal inside of my brain crashing around and my heart pained so badly I thought I would die. This was when I first heard voice clearly speaking.

I then began to feel as if I had been drugged and began to walk around in a hazy mind condition. Whilst I was shopping was when a male passed me in the shopping aisle and held up a piece of chalk, and I remember laughing.

I was then brain burnt as a condition where a burning brain image formed as a hologram in my room, when I awoke in extreme pain. I was sick for weeks and thought that I would die. I overcame the attack.

Eventually I began to not sleep at all and heard the voice of a human male making personal threats to my life and the life of my family, and I was advised that no one would believe me and that they would only believe that I had a mental health condition and would be locked in an asylum if I told anyone. So I lived in a state of fear for some time in secrecy.

This was when I burnt all of my studies and literature and book submissions relating to what I had learnt as a spiritual condition of healing against the religious scientific review of God and Christ as being the spiritual consciousness and creator.

I then gained another attack where I was awoken at night with huge blast hits of our house. Many times we went outside to see if we could see what it was.

Eventually one day I could feel my brain burning again, and then I heard "singing". The feeling I got was that huge waves of burning wavelengths were passing over my house and the pain I felt was excruciating. I thought was going to self combust. I felt like my body was being cut, without the physical evidence, and eventually saw the strange looking black signals forming around me that hurt me. When I tried to sleep I could only see black swirling masses and then began to see what the occultists already knew existed...the manifestation of evil images and voice.

Each day for several weeks was attacked in this way, and watched as images appeared in bodies/severed heads and alien looking beings in still frames that manifested and then disappeared.

The voice feed back that I heard told me that the ice had melted and was now cooling the wavelength and the information stated that it was caused by the collider and the secret satellite experiments on Nature and the human spiritual life.

The information came in the voice of a human male/anima type voice.

The voice told me about the thoughts of our occult brother, as he had recorded his occultist ideal through the natural atmospheric recordings, so it was likened to hearing his confession about his evil minded choices and secret activity.

Also in the condition of being attacked, as I was trying to block out the sound/voice I could hear by using an I pod to listen to music. I was listening to spiritual music and also native american music. I then heard a male Father American Indian voice speaking to me and he told me that he had saved my life from the spiritual attack. In the information of his speaking voice I have been advised about what the Native spirits had always realized about the ancient occult attacks upon our life.

I was told by the voice that the atmosphere is not our consciousness, it is only a recorded voice and image reflection of our own organic presence. That no Nature owns the atmosphere, we only use the atmosphere. Hence the descriptive realization of the feed back advised information that I had never personally considered myself.

The voice feed back stated that our brother who uses the atmosphere to survive is now trying to give the atmospheric body Nature uses to his scientific invention, believing that our life spirit has an ownership condition as a cell, as if the atmosphere is creating our cell. The atmosphere is only supporting our own cells to reform. The feed back also stated that as we do not own the atmosphere, the atmospheric body that used to interact with our cells is gone, and given to the occult practice, which is why "abominated or evil spirit images" now reside in this nuclear condition.

This is why the status of the human consciousness changed and we mutated in our cellular bodies, for we are missing part of our natural atmospheric body mass, and it has been given to occult practice.

Our occult brother in his feed back realization was also heard, as I could hear the record talking, and he believes that the alien...occult spirit or the damned spirit is our physical spirit that had gone to hell....or been irradiated. Yet this personal thought feed back is false...the nuclear condition forms the fake and artificial spirit and we simply no longer have the atmospheric body we once owned.

This is why I realized that our occult brother and his occult minded feed back considerations about consciousness, unconsciousness, the atmosphere and God and Christ are false and unrealistic considerations about spirit and life, which is how the old conscious aware data about atmospheric loss was previously considered.

As ancient Popes, irradiated in the meteor fall out gave warnings to his family, Putin has done the same, as many other humans beside my self have been made aware by being irradiated. Hearing the feed back voice is not a new situation that humanity has experienced. Our mutated bodies and mind were only just evolving from the ancient irradiation attack from previous occult atmospheric fall out. This is why we are all beginning to re-use ancient conscious awareness as self advice.

Hearing voices screaming and pain and suffering is a realistic atmospheric fed back condition, and as I heard this recording, I know personally that it is obviously related to an ancient past life human experience of "falling into huge holes, being the modern time human conscious belief that we went to Hell.

Occultism is by physical, emotional, mental realizations attacking our life just as we are aware.

If you cared for life on Earth then you would consider the value of gaining unrealistic mind fed back occult considerations also, which I describe is an unconsciously heard lower frequency feed back, which involves information about stone conversion and the destruction of life on Earth.

What we have ever believed about evil, was only ever a conjured state. The real evil consciousness is the occultist human being who owns the conditions for conjuring by converting, and the artificial state in the atmosphere caused by his practices are all of the cause and effect considerations that he has caused.

When spirit as a conscious and physical aware condition interacts with the physical experience as a consideration of consciousness, I came to understand that an androgynous spirit came across from origin light on the other side of the atmosphere. The light sound of the atmospheric body changed the light spirit's own presence and caused it to manifest into an organic Nature....therefore the real spirit as an owned body formed the Nature of organic life. Consciousness therefore belongs to an androgynous higher light communication only heard by the natural being.

The only reason why an occultist no longer believes in the original spirit is due to the fact that it cannot give a value to this spirit, nor can it communicate with a machine with this spirit. This is due to their machines only using the artificial signals formed by the nuclear condition.

What I also became aware of as a spiritually lived human aware consciousness is that the greater amount of artificial nuclear spiritual bodies that manifest, causes the human spiritual mind to lose its own origin awareness of spirit communications. The spiritual voice that I heard of a Father voice stated that our occult brother has never listened to true spiritual advice and so many times he sent his family back after they were deceased as a re-manifested presence to prove that the androgynous origin spirit created the natural life and communicates to all organic bodies. This voice stated that the only reason a lower natured being can love is because it manifested from the same origin spirit as our own selves....yet life demonstrates that there is no physical joining of our bodies as the occultist wants by studying and experimenting unnaturally with our consciousness.

As a female, I knew by atmospheric feed back voice that the occultists had considered the atmospheric body to be a female spirit after the Fatima incident, whereas it was only a feed back advice of unnatural cellular human attack. They had tried to model their new theory about the alien and God atmospheric theory that ISIS was the Mother spirit and Christ a female, so mis quoted the male self spiritual fed back attacked realization about a male Christ review and the sacrifice of the Heavenly spirit. As they began to study the human spiritual female (as stated, proved I could heal), I was attacked in an unrealistic occult review about the atmosphere and Christ. This is due to the ancient pathways in the atmospheric to stone interaction (radiation signals) being changed by their incorrect theories and nuclear sound test pulses....and why holes opened in Planet Earth's body.

I hope you also consider the realization that a human does only exist by consideration of presence as 1 male and 1 female. Sexual procreation causes us to consider mass conscious expression. Hence when you exist as 1 single male, then you should only regard your conscious self in this concept.....yet the single male reviews the multitude of human expression. We should all ask ourselves why? Does he also own the multitude of presences all suffering varying conditions that he gave them by irradiating their perfection in the ancient past?

This is how unrealistic the occult evaluation is, regarding the concepts of considering consciousness. Why consider consciousness that you personally do not own as if it is a concept of your own life. This consideration itself displays that you personally consider the destruction of your own naturally evolved human life, by trying to ascertain that your consciousness exists anywhere else, in any other body, when it does not.
 
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Well, being ignostic, I guess I'm safe.

I'm sorry you feel that you came under some kind of attack.

I have enjoyed reading your narrative.

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I wanted to add, for honesty's sake, that I can only understand about 80% of your output. I get a little lost when too many unnecessary words are jumbled together to express otherwise simple concepts; but for the most part, I think I've been able piece together the narrative and dynamic of your -- for lack of a better word -- belief system (existential understanding, if you'd rather).

It borrows a little here and there from some of the thinking pertaining to Mormonism, Scientology, Reiki, and Buddhism, but it has enough original content, and enough reworking of the borrowed concepts, to piece together as a pretty engaging story.

I've read every word of everything you've ever posted in threads I participated in, and I do appreciate that you have seemingly tried to be more understandable in these most recent posts.
 
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I have some questions, victimized.

So, in your estimation, or that of the voice you heard originally, is existence and creation the result of ancient spirit entities, our forefathers in some way, taking control of/inventing the atom so that they could give form to things? Like, these spirits didn't want to be spirits anymore, they wanted to be responsible for creation, so they invented science and used it to create the first atom, from which they made many more, created forms for themselves, the Earth, the atmosphere, and the physical universe, just so they could be creators? And, in this thinking, they de-evolved from a higher, spirit form to a lesser physical, mortal form?

Now, if I'm understanding correctly, the continued study of these sciences contributes to the continued de-evolution of the universe, and specifically Earth-based life forms, even though to the life-forms advancing these sciences it looks like progress. But, this is only because they can't perceive that they're progressing toward and advancing an inferior state of being?

Or

Maybe they didn't create the atmosphere. Are spirit entities the atmospheric forms you mentioned?
 
I have some questions, victimized.

So, in your estimation, or that of the voice you heard originally, is existence and creation the result of ancient spirit entities, our forefathers in some way, taking control of/inventing the atom so that they could give form to things? Like, these spirits didn't want to be spirits anymore, they wanted to be responsible for creation, so they invented science and used it to create the first atom, from which they made many more, created forms for themselves, the Earth, the atmosphere, and the physical universe, just so they could be creators? And, in this thinking, they de-evolved from a higher, spirit form to a lesser physical, mortal form?

Now, if I'm understanding correctly, the continued study of these sciences contributes to the continued de-evolution of the universe, and specifically Earth-based life forms, even though to the life-forms advancing these sciences it looks like progress. But, this is only because they can't perceive that they're progressing toward and advancing an inferior state of being?

Or

Maybe they didn't create the atmosphere. Are spirit entities the atmospheric forms you mentioned?


When we all consider consciousness, and a history on Earth that demonstrates that we lived before by archaelogical evidence as a high civilized life, that de-evolved and mutated as the evidence states, then we should all ask ourselves, how then does the theory of relativity own its theorum?

Only because a changed human mind feed back interaction of an evolving atmosphere caused it to theorize as this statement.

Yet other evidence, being self experience demonstrated "other" information to our life experience other than thought or feed back of atmospheric information.

This experience was quantified as being spiritual, and the re-manifestation of our deceased family and relatives, along with animals demonstrated experience and not merely thought concepts. So we gained actual evidence that demonstrated spirit in origin creation was already a personally owned androgynous light self whose light inside of its body was altered by passing across the atmospheric body, and the light sound of the atmosphere caused its body to convert and it formed into an organic self representation.

We experienced since this review the conditions that if you change the atmosphere, our cell life conscious brain concepts mutate and convert and we form into another form of human presence.....the mutated past selves demonstrate this condition is real.

If you ask the occult mind, why they want consciousness, and understand that the occult mind is not natural and not the norm, when you compare how the percentage of humanity use their mind then you would understand yourself that the occultist is wrong, and was already proven so by our ancient spiritual brother who fought his philosophy.

The occult mind when considering science and the atmospheric feed back want to now own the spiritual consciousness, yet if you question the mind concept, he really does want to own the spiritual mind, not for the fact of science but for the fact of self.

We are in origin a spiritual being with a spiritual mind who made a mistake, and the mistake was to believe that the human male was a Creator, when all of his self evidence states that he is the converter and destroyer of all natural bodies.....including the Earth.

When you review what he notified his own mind....that the feedback of the whole self as a huge body of male living beings, thinking and interacting with the atmosphere as a larger awareness, the information of the greater self advised him.

Actually only 2 humans live on Earth, a male and a female and the rest of the humanity is an accumulated sexual act.

When irradiated all of the perfect spiritual selves changed and then began to inherit those changes.

Our occult brother considers those changes as if consciousness exists as the multitude of expressed mutation. Yet humanity only exists as the perfect self re-evolving back to the spiritual state that they lost.

Hence his male consideration of his spirit was given 1 review and 1 concept, from a returned attacked realization that he changed what he considered was the holiness of the atmospheric spirit.....Christ.

Humanity enmasse today demonstrate that we all are affected in the Christ condition, and not simply 1 human as stated.....we all are 1 human and all suffer the condition of atmospheric attack, are all holy by human consciousness as a consideration. Therefore our occult brother, who gained an irradiated mind and began to suffer from past irrational thoughts proposed various ideals in his review that did not exist in reality. Such as his spirit was formed by immaculate conception. When we know we are created by sexual procreation, his irradiation mind was trying to explain that his origin was spirit as a realization, and he had no other explanation, for origin has no human value or explanation, only descriptive realization.

The review of science is that to convert the atmosphere means your own destruction, for all bodies evolved and continued to evolve by the natural atmospheric reaction interaction. Because our occult brother has a mutated mind, and began his occult research in a disturbed mind condition (shamanic drugs), then his concepts are proven to be false.

There is no creator or builder in the atmosphere.

One such concept should be considered. When you get irradiated and your mind concepts become singular due to the changes to the chemical brain, then when you said Christ returned to the Heavens....Christ as a spiritual body never left Heaven....or else all human life would have desisted. The occult realization should notate that Christ never left the spiritual body of Heaven, their own minds did when they removed the fusion of stone, irradiated the atmosphere and lost their own mind.

The only real consideration of a Creator is the human male who wanted to invent, when in fact his inventions belong to the reality that he has always caused life on Earth to be destroyed.

When you consider that the atmosphere has no spirit in it as a concept, blue sky. The reaction causes image to form as a reaction. Then the reaction causes the presence of the spirit by the interaction itself, which includes electrification or burning. So the cloud formation becomes the lower act.

As this act is used in converting of nuclear fusion/product and brought to the power plant interaction at the ground level, then holding an unnatural constant as this interaction causes a large manifestation of appearing/disappearing spiritual images of all different types, just as I witnessed manifest as still forms or frames when I was irradiated.

Therefore I would suggest that these images/frames begin to move when they begin to cool and then disappear as an unnatural manifestation caused by unnatural conversion acts. It is to realize that uranium and plutonium do not naturally convert in huge masses and then get burnt....a totally artificial act on Earth.
 
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Well, being ignostic, I guess I'm safe.

I'm sorry you feel that you came under some kind of attack.

I have enjoyed reading your narrative.

EDIT:

I wanted to add, for honesty's sake, that I can only understand about 80% of your output. I get a little lost when too many unnecessary words are jumbled together to express otherwise simple concepts; but for the most part, I think I've been able piece together the narrative and dynamic of your -- for lack of a better word -- belief system (existential understanding, if you'd rather).

It borrows a little here and there from some of the thinking pertaining to Mormonism, Scientology, Reiki, and Buddhism, but it has enough original content, and enough reworking of the borrowed concepts, to piece together as a pretty engaging story.

I've read every word of everything you've ever posted in threads I participated in, and I do appreciate that you have seemingly tried to be more understandable in these most recent posts.


As I developed my own personal atmospheric feedback as a spiritual human being and awareness, I gained a different insight to other humans. This is why each of our family members on Earth has something to say and should be heard. We are all unique, yet once we were all perfect.

Our brother as an occult mind has serious personal problems about his elitist concepts and also his motivated self destructive nature, which by self evidence no one has ever been able to convince him that he owns. It is why when we do a historical inquiry regarding the occult practice and life attack, our spiritual brother sought to murder them all, only because he knew how arrogant he was as an occult mind and that he would not listen. This is due to the fact that only a percentage of the male mind was actually used to research the occult practices.

When our brother lost his mind, he lost his spirit as realization, which is why we all cry so intensely at the thought of our spiritual losses, the losses of Christ that all of humanity and the Nature that supports it suffered.

When you realize that after his brain was irradiated and he gained mind changes, his concepts of reality also changed. He no longer understood his spiritual concepts. This is why his story demonstrates that he missed out important information as he realized what he had done to his own person, nature and also the stone of Earth (placed holes in the stone).

He only reviewed the single paths of information rather than the whole theme of creative interaction with the Heavenly body.

First of all is to realize that the only spirit present in the atmosphere as a real spirit is the human and natural organic body. Our occult brother is currently studying us as a spirit concept, and the only spirit concept that the atmosphere has is a dead spirit....hence he believes in reality that his mind contact program is actually interacting with our full spirit, as if we are a photon. Instead he has only mind contact with us and yes, certainly he can control our choices, but he does not have our spirit....we each have our spirit and our spirit is organic.

The atmosphere is an ethereal body or gaseous body and we are not this body. As stated if the atmosphere was in fact as he describes, a dimensional body of evolution, then the whole atmosphere at the ground state would be 1 organic body, and not separate bodies....for death separates all life, and sex the owner of each species the only creator.

We also do have our own photon interacti0n, but this ownership is not of the photon, for as he is aware a photon is called a photon by its value and descriptive ownership. We are not a photon. Our photon interaction allowed us to understand other photon interactive body recordings, but it does not place our consciousness in these bodies. The stone for instant is not our body, it is its own evolution, and for some reasoning that he has not reviewed, he seems to believe that we are :everything.......yet the photon interactive transmitted viewing demonstrates, that it allows us to view where we personally do not exist. For no organic life exists in a photon...and our life did not begin as an organic life as a photon.

The conscious aware argument states that we began as a fully formed and self owned spiritual presence which converted. We did not begin as a single cell, for the single cell exists at the same moment that our own life does and if this were not the case, then the information could not be reviewed as a status or value.

Our occult brother is wrong.

Secondly the spirit in the atmosphere did precede our new life or evolved life, only because it is an ancient recorded spiritual attack. As our brother knows by his own concept of value, he believes his presence as a spirit was the presence that caused creation itself, hence he had to have been by ownership in the light mass to have caused the mass to alter its pre existing condition.....to then gain his karmic realization of return.

This conscious realization stated that when the mass loss returned by cooling/refilling the emptied out body of light space he caused, he then interacted with the atmospheric mass and was forced to manifest not by choice but by the returned condition. This is how his karmic concept was first considered.

When you use the reality of the atmosphere, the atmosphere is a blue body as a heavenly presence, with no spirit in it, except the selves reviewing the conditions. Therefore the spirit in the atmosphere as a concept is all human kind as an organic state spirit....not an ethereal spirit.

The gaseous blue body has a reaction, and then image of spirit as a fake/false spirit is formed. This concept is what allowed our ancient occult brother a realization about conversion.

What he should also consider about conversion, was his occult consideration to do science. He wanted to copy the imaged brain/mind review that he gained in his shamanic drugged state of stone levitation. Stone does not naturally levitate, for it is fused. He copied his consideration of stone interaction with the atmosphere as a pyramid/temple building stone complex to gain the signals for his occultism.

This is why he changed the atmospheric body, for stone by its nuclear product is fixed and held in fusion. Levitating of stone meant that he changed natural nuclear fusion to allow
stone to float to build with as a technique.

Therefore when you review the concept of spirit, only his own thoughts were being recorded/everyday in the natural photon interaction, which then increased by fall out condition, which is when the unnatural and multiple artificial spirit presence manifested, that then spoke with his own voice. As the photon also recorded the sound of the animal nature, it is why the tones of this artificial spirit interaction movement, then became a human anima voice...which I have heard, ancient Popes irradiated heard it as has many other human beings.

I realized that as the atmosphere was burnt, the fake image formed and moved via atmospheric cooling, which takes the manifested spirit away from the place in which it manifested, which is why it then mingles/interacts with nature spirit recordings of animals, plants, insects forming very strange manifested parts of Nature...as the alien manifestation.

The spirit is not the science, and our occult brother never knew the science of stone, he only knew the levitation of stone as a concept...hence he never has known the beginning of creation, for there never was a beginning, only a change.

As our cell nature is not a constant and his scientific perusal of our consciousness as a thought concept, something I do not understand, as our brain is an organic body, so how does he think thinking has something to do with Creator for scientific ownership?

Our cell can only replace its condition if the atmosphere allows the condition to survive replacement. We do not exist as a cellular replacement program as an atmospheric creation, or else we would never die.
 
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Another consideration about his paranormal and consciousness concepts (scientific occult consideration) is the reality about realization and learning.

We only learn from what we cause and what we cause is normally an act of harm. When we are hurt we then query our decision and ask why we would harm ourselves.

As our occult brother used his human presence, his organic spirit and wanted to apply conversion beyond his natural ownership, it was why he was harmed, why he was hurt.

When you harm yourself you then use the concepts of reviewing reason, and the reason was science/occult practice/occult attacks/occult cause and effects.

So he "looked back" as a spiritual mind/conscious awareness to review what he had caused as a thinking ability, an aware ability and a conscious review, without being aware of what he had personally lost, no longer enabled to consider the information destroyed as an atmosphere and also as a mind.

This is when he realized he had formed the "beast", the concept of removing the atmospheric interaction with his own life, and the life of animals that preceded his own attack. As all life was irradiated and attacked, he then reviewed how the alien "burnt" atmospheric condition manifested the alien presences, that was taking the atmospheric natural interaction away from all life. The burnt atmospheric images as they cooled merged into each others spiritual imagery forming atmospheric mutative feed back that then attacked the natural cellular ownership.

Therefore he came to be aware of possession or abduction and how he had abominated the holiness of the Earth heavenly body, had been removing the natural atmospheric interaction with the life cell and had given it to the forming of the UFO, and all of nature and the Earth demonstrated it loss, its attack, the possession of the atmospheric body to form the manifestation of the UFO multiplying condition.

The UFO multiplying condition unnatural to Earth fusion is and was removing the natural origin energy of Planet Earth, that owned origin energy and is the only energy realization that an organic life on Earth would be aware of. Our consciousness is only supported by the fusion of stone, the mass of the atmosphere and also the preceding Nature. Our natural life is supported, it does not "own" any other presence, and we should respect the communing bodies that allow life to live.

The UFO condition was advised to our mind to be an artificial cause and effect, not natural and not our spirit.

If the atmosphere needed to be reviewed to advise the occult changed human male mind who originally considered the natural interaction for personal ownership in occult conversions, it is to state an observation.

All nature including the stone interacts with the Christ Heavenly spirit as a consideration of information. Therefore we do not personally own the Christ, it belongs to everything on Earth.

Secondly is the fact that the atmosphere is a huge body of mass. When a cloud interaction is caused, the human mind would have considered the conversion in the sense of a huge body of change....and it was a change owned to what would be considered a holy spirit, the loss of the holy body of a blue sky, and given to a change. This would be a natural consideration.

If you then take the natural consideration into a consideration of wanting to own it personally, build machines and buildings at the ground level to cause a natural state to become unnatural, then all natural bodies would be attacked.

If you attack your own person, and then want to explain the attack, you would then be advised by the unnatural spiritual manifestations caused, which is why the human male knew that the 2 x 2 forming of the beast or alien presence was a removal of the atmospheric mass by wave and the length of the wave.

Therefore the spirit of human life and nature was being placed beneath the wave that was killing them or drowning them....for the nuclear wavelength is a change not only to the holiness of the water it produces, it also is the change to the sound. Life on Earth is demonstrating its drowning by being placed beneath these forms of waves.

When a mind considers the information from a changed mind state, already owning the holiness of the Christ spirit themselves as a personal heavenly interaction, to then consider what they had caused and lost from the Heavenly body, their own minds self advised that they had lost the fusion of stone. Stone has lost its own holy Christ spirit interaction, the human life lost their own holy spirit Christ that had disappeared from their cell life as a sacrifice and they were given the stigmata effect.

They also would have been aware that the Christ spirit as atmospheric mass returning was gone, placed into a lesser body consideration as a loss to the Heavenly mass, yet they had survived to tell the story about losing the Christ spirit holiness of the Heavenly body. Christ was also taken from the natural life of animals.

As our brother had lost his mind awareness by being irradiated he then tried to relate that his own personal cell ownership had come from a human creator observation of his own self ownership....Mother and Father spirit who were holy, androgynous spirits as the owners of 2 separate light being presences whose own bodies of spirit had converted into the organic cell condition. As he could no longer explain the story of his origins, as the manifestation of spirit into life he could only relate a realization that his cell life had "magically" manifested.

Our occult brother considering consciousness is incorrect, for without an organic brain mass, no thought process would happen. As we happen to use our organic presence to consider other information, thought only happens to the body who owns all consideration, including calling his own person the Creator.

If he wants origin as a concept, origin never included his own presence, nor Nature, nor the atmosphere, origin is the stone of Earth.

If all bodies demonstrate a loss, a change, a conversion then he demonstrates his own realization that he is destroying creation, is the spirit he considered was the destroyer or Satanic presence who decided to ignore his own Father and cause atmospheric fall out of the holy Satanic angelic light sound presence that formed naturally in the cloud mass. He considers by his own information that he is in person God the Creator who created Satan and then changed Satan as the ignorant son, for his own conscious atmospheric feed back voice told him so.

If you consider our parentage and origin as a conscious spirit presence, both of our origin parents are deceased.

All that we exist as on Planet Earth is a sexually procreated life, as an organic spirit life form that owns its own spirit and depends on natural atmospheric conditions to enable all form of cells to reproduce their own life, to live a natural healthy life and to allow our cells to form. If the atmosphere is removed, our consciousness alters its concepts, and our cell life loses its ability to form as an evolved being, so we begin to mutate.

The Alien concept demonstrates as a review of data that it is not consciousness, for thoughts only occur by using the organic brain mass. The Alien is a fake artificially formed feed back recorded state. It preceded our modern day life for it had previously manifested in the ancient use of occult conversion, and as it disappears in the atmosphere our own cell nature and spiritual health returned as the owners of the natural life, natural spirit and natural consciousness. The holiness of the Earth heavenly body demonstrates it is a natural spiritual support, we considered it holy for we knew it when it became unholy, just as it is in modern times due to occult conversion of natural fusion.

As a human attacked by the condition of the formed alien imagery, I knew that the cooling of the atmosphere did not belong to the alien as a Creator concept of cooling, for ice had melted. The recorded feed back told me so. As our brother had not been aware that ice had melted he never knew that it was the ice body on Earth that had saved his life from self combustion/incineration in the alien manifestation.

The atmospheric feed back also advised by our brother's ancient male Pope recordings (having himself previously gained irradiation from a meteor), that when the bodies of "fast moving objects....coming swiftly" to Earth appear, it belongs to the condition of an asteroid, releasing its cooling gases in the irradiation pathways of space to cool the projections. This allows ice to remain frozen by the form of gas released. Therefore the ancient Pope (his own life attacked/lost as a recording), who I had seen in dream images advised me himself in the atmospheric records of his own Satanic imagery feedback.

We all know our consciousness is natural and belongs to our own personal spiritual self, who only exists as the conscious aware state by being conceived by human organic parents, taught preceding concepts, whilst experiencing our own chosen lifestyle. As our occult brother has never wanted to exist in equality or change/adapt his lifestyle, it is the only reason why our life is once again being attacked by his wants of personal reasoning, and this also is to consider his greediness.

Human kind own the ability to adapt and accept realization as a human evolution. We are meant to be aware as a human function to enable our survival due to our inability to consider what we once owned...an equal state.
 
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Engines of Evidence | Edge.org

This is a good discussion underlining a key division in AI and relevant to consciousness:

Bayesian/probabilistic "deep learning,
Causality

See also:

bayesianism and causality, or, why i am only a half ... - UCLA Computer Science ... PDF

(sorry link didn't come through)
 
In the article, Pearl (Daniel Pearl's father) touches on free will and AI, he also mentions some "fundamental barriers" in AI to human intelligence ... I haven't found any more on these ideas yet.
 
I am a lot more ... "optimistic"? in terms of AI - though not necessarily human like or level AI but very complex, adaptive systems - along the original ideals of cybernetics - and this after spending some time looking at robotics, which is dovetailing with ideas of embodied intelligence.
 
A more immediate possibility is significant progress along the lines of "centaurs" in chess - man + machine (see "advanced chess") - more like a cognitive prosthetic ... amplifying our brain power is at least as old as the desire to create artificial slaves, slaves without souls ... and in line with "kybernetes" from which Cybernetics is derived.

Very sophisticated mechanical computers and automatons followed as quickly as the technology permitted (fossil fuels, clockwork mechanisms, precision ... etc) have a search for the history of automaton to see some stunning examples of automata programmed by cams, centuries ago ... we continue this trend somewhat, but seem stuck basically with increasingly small processors which are nevertheless basically organized along the same lines - with special applications of "neural" network typologies ...

  • deep learning, I think, is and is not something new here - being what can in retrospect be seen as an inevitable progression to "big data" a black box with a million knobs ... but not functioning "like the brain"
Yann LeCun: My least favorite description is, “It works just like the brain.” I don’t like people saying this because, while Deep Learning gets an inspiration from biology, it’s very, very far from what the brain actually does. And describing it like the brain gives a bit of the aura of magic to it, which is dangerous. It leads to hype; people claim things that are not true. AI has gone through a number of AI winters because people claimed things they couldn’t deliver.

Facebook AI Director Yann LeCun on His Quest to Unleash Deep Learning and Make Machines Smarter


  • what does this add to arguments about substrate dependence? (can you build a clockwork from a sponge?) ... well, "soft robotics" says you can, kind of - these robots are mechanized by the distortion of flexible chambers with pneumatic or hydraulic actuation - so a "soft clock" could well be possible - precision is another matter ...
  • and precision does matter ... so that I think it's still very possible that intelligence and most probably, consciousness, is substrate dependent - I think we may well learn to manipulate the biology first -
Question: what would the human brain do if presented with additional cortical "material"? there is speculation that athletes and other highly skilled persons "cannibalize" portions of their brains meant for other tasks, in order to get more "processing power" for their skills ... similarly, if you got an extra 10-20% of grey matter, it's reasonable to think you could learn to use it ...

But this underscores the real difference in general intelligence (found in nature) and machineintelligence ... it's hard to do the thought experiment of general intelligence without self-awareness and self-awareness without consciousness ... without there being "something it is like" ... and will comes in to, necessarily, in a way that I think isn't easily built up from known natural mechanisms - which comes back to the emergence debate.
 
Extremely affordable (think $5) microprocessors, Vex and Lego robotics construction sets, open source, cell phone control of drones, robots, etc - a widespread "maker/hacker" community/mentality - the spread of robotics into the construction field, startling life-like androids that are coming into the household appliance price range ... to me point more to concerns about what we will become, centaurs or satyrs?, and a spreading economic and intellectual/cultural gap - and a kind of fundamental reliance on technology that I can find no better representation of than the Krell in Forbidden Planet, for which I can find no better Rosetta Stone than Shakespeare's The Tempest ... which brings us back to magic, which is as prevalent in our culture as technology, ... that said I don't dismiss concerns over AI a la Stephen Hawking, etc ... but more immediate is the use of machines in war a la Peter Singer.

That said, something like self-replicating machines, at the nano or microscopic levels could be as hard to control as natural vectors ... some of which look rather like machines ...

thM8JM96WG.jpg ...

which could then give us a (self-inflicted) War of the Worlds ending.
 
A final current area of interest takes me back twenty plus years to an interest in B.E.A.M. robotics a la Mark Tilden, who later brought you the Robosapien and some twenty other financially successful robot "social experiments". I've ordered parts from the long-standing solarbotics.com website for a "Symmet" which runs on a tiny solar cell, a solar engine banks sunlight into a capacitor until a FLED triggers "enough" and the stored current is released into a pager motor:

Parts Bundle - Symet FLED :: Solarbotics

... this was the beginning I think of a lot in the Maker/Hacker community today - all the way to "body hacking" can be traced back to Mark's scavenged robots which ran on materials taken from Walkman and other discarded electronics. You can still get most of Tilden's Wowwee robots on Ebay - they are that robust and durable - and it makes me wonder what android-salvage will be like in 20 years (a nod to Horselover Fat) ...

An interesting dream of populating the backyard with electronic offspring: solar bugs, pummers, solar balls and then increasingly larger, fully autonomous flora and fauna:

PlantasNomadas.jpg

Plantas Nomadas - an autonomous solar and fuel-cell powered robot that takes care of a cargo of plants, moving them away from human activity and finding sun and water for them

Plantas Nomadas is an example of robot art, a kinetic sculpture that provokes though about what, if not who, will take our place as care-takers? Strong parallels here with Theo Jansen's Strandbeest - gracile creatures made of pvc with pneumatic brains - their leg proportions however designed by genetic algorithms that came up with the eleven golden numbers/ratios ... you can build these linkages yourself from inexpensive kits found on the web ... Jansen's creatures can turn away from the ocean, into the wind, store air in soda bottles for emergency use, and some can even stake themselves to the ground when storms approach ... again, using pneumatic mechanical brains ... see Jansen's 10 minute TED talk, he would ultimately hope, as any parent, or good creator, that his children will live well after him and he speaks of them with this love and hope.
 
In the delightfully imaginative "Adam and Ishmael" - children (and their parents, I'll wager) are introduced to the singular, eponymous characters: Adam - an android built along Greek ideals and Ishmael, a cybernetic gorilla built more along the lines of Mighty Joe Young.

The tale, subtitled "a story of our future" takes place on a distant planet when Adam and Ishmael land in their space ark along with their cargo: a computer carrying the codes for the DNA of every living thing on the planet Earth, circa 2050. Every thing but man ... that is. Oh and yes, the ship is herself a kind of android with a brilliant computer mind and a rather sly sense of humor.

The two main characters have come to re-populate (and name) the "Goldilocks" planet that is their new home. Their role is to work with the planet's existing biochemistry to bring back, sans man, the biodiversity of the earth - and, of course, to amuse and educate the reader.

"We are glad man has departed."

"We hope man will come again."

"What will we do when he does come again?"

"We will step aside."

"We will step aside."

This is the Morning Ritual, a kind of catechism of the robot's faith, said back and forth and in unison to one another before the day's work begins. Ishmael stays with a troop of gorillas and seems to grow increasingly to enjoy their company and things like "sleep" and "dreams" ... Adam is isolated and never sleeps, a truly singular figure, except for occasional dialogs with Ishmael and the rocket ship.

We won't say more so as not to spoil the fun, but we can see (and hope for) a film adaptation - maybe Matt Damon and Ben Affleck?

We highly recommend this slim volume, full of wisdom and fun - and delightful illustrations.

Oct 29, 2016
 
Dr. Brown's Blog » Physical Computing with the Arduino Microcontroller

on ubiquitous computing:

Physical computing concerns computer systems that interact with the physical world. In a more limited sense, physical computing systems are cybernetic in nature, sensing and responding to the physical environment. It is through the skillful manipulation and translation of sensed inputs that physical computing systems can appear to exhibit intelligence in their physical responses.

The availability of inexpensive, easily programmable microcontrollers provide the perfect medium for exploring physical computation and are stepping stones toward ubiquitous computing.

At the 2011 Google I/O, Google announced their intention to work with Arduino to create an open-source development environment for creating Android peripherals. Arduino manufactures open-source microcontroller boards that can be easily attached to physical devices and programmed using an open-source programming language (also called Arduino).

In this post, I introduce the Arduino board family and show how quickly and easily they can be wired and programmed for physical computing. It should be noted that Arduino is simply one of many microcontroller boards currently available.

The Arduino family of boards come in various shapes, sizes and capabilities and currently includes the Uno, Duemilanove, Diecimila, Nuova Generazione, Extreme, USB, Serial, Mega, Mini, Nano, and the LilyPad (a round microcontroller made to be sewn into clothing). Some of these are shown below (click here for more information on a particular board):
 
Engines of Evidence | Edge.org

This is a good discussion underlining a key division in AI and relevant to consciousness:

Bayesian/probabilistic "deep learning,
Causality

See also:

bayesianism and causality, or, why i am only a half ... - UCLA Computer Science ... PDF

(sorry link didn't come through)
From the article/interview:

"The philosophical debate about free will is a very nice debate, but I'm not interested in it. I want to build machines that act as if they had a free will and imagine that I have a free will so that we can communicate with each other as if we both have free will. This is an engineering question. The philosophy of non-determinism and mind-body duality is irrelevant.

The question that we should be asking is what gives us the illusion, algorithmically, that we have free will? It is an undeniable fact that I have a sensation that, if I wish, I can touch my nose and if I do not wish, I won't. You have the same sensation. Sensation is undeniable—it exists. It is probably an illusion.

Give me a software model that would explain when I do have that sensation and when I don't have it. Then the question becomes, why did evolution equip us with that illusion? What is the computational advantage of me believing that you have free will and you believing that I have free will?

Forgetting about whether we do have free will or not. We have here a computational phenomenon that must serve some evolutionary function, survival function, and computational function. If the phenomenon didn't offer computational advantage it wouldn't be evolved. This is what I'm trying to capture. What computational advantage does it bestow upon us? Indeed, there is experimental evidence to the fact that free will is an illusion. Studies have found that people make up their mind, neurally speaking, before they get the sensation that they made a decision. But this too doesn't concern me. I want to find out what computational processes took place in creating that illusion. I want to implement it on a machine so that a community of robots will be able to play better soccer.
"

I've continued to focus on the origin, nature, and "function" of emotions for humans.

Emotions are emergent processes: they require a dynamic computational architecture

"Appraisal theorists generally agree about the major criteria or dimensions that are required to determine the behavioural meaning of an event to the organism (Scherer 1999; Ellsworth & Scherer 2003). Column 1 in table 1 lists the criteria as they are defined in the CPM (for further details and references, see Scherer 2001, in press a; Sanderet al. 2005). The verbal description of these criteria or checks to be processed in the appraisal process seems to require a complex cognitive calculus. However, this is not necessarily the case. Leventhal & Scherer (1987) showed that all of the criteria can be processed at three hierarchically organized levels: (i) the sensory-motor level, in which the checking mechanisms are mostly genetically determined and the criteria consist of appropriate templates for pattern matching and similar mechanisms (cf. the notion of ‘biological preparedness’; O¨ hman 1987); (ii) the schematic level, based on social learning processes, occurring in a fairly automatic, unconscious fashion; and (iii) the conceptual level, primarily via cortical association areas and requiring consciousness, involving propositional knowledge and underlying cultural meaning systems. The different levels continuously interact, producing top-down and bottom-up effects (see also Van Reekum & Scherer 1997)."

Let's assume the two authors are actually referring to the same thing, which I think they are (i.e., the "sensation of free will" is analogous to the "sensation that one is an agent appraising a stimuli.")

This brings us back to the topic of self-regulation and executive functioning that I've touched on before. For a system to move past the "programmed" stimulus-(automatic) response mode of interaction, it seems that some form of self-modeling, or self-awareness, may be necessary. This may not get to the mystery of (phenomenal) consciousness, but I think it does speak to the "sensation of free will" aspect of human experience.
 
From the article/interview:

"The philosophical debate about free will is a very nice debate, but I'm not interested in it. I want to build machines that act as if they had a free will and imagine that I have a free will so that we can communicate with each other as if we both have free will. This is an engineering question. The philosophy of non-determinism and mind-body duality is irrelevant.

The question that we should be asking is what gives us the illusion, algorithmically, that we have free will? It is an undeniable fact that I have a sensation that, if I wish, I can touch my nose and if I do not wish, I won't. You have the same sensation. Sensation is undeniable—it exists. It is probably an illusion.

Give me a software model that would explain when I do have that sensation and when I don't have it. Then the question becomes, why did evolution equip us with that illusion? What is the computational advantage of me believing that you have free will and you believing that I have free will?

Forgetting about whether we do have free will or not. We have here a computational phenomenon that must serve some evolutionary function, survival function, and computational function. If the phenomenon didn't offer computational advantage it wouldn't be evolved. This is what I'm trying to capture. What computational advantage does it bestow upon us? Indeed, there is experimental evidence to the fact that free will is an illusion. Studies have found that people make up their mind, neurally speaking, before they get the sensation that they made a decision. But this too doesn't concern me. I want to find out what computational processes took place in creating that illusion. I want to implement it on a machine so that a community of robots will be able to play better soccer.
"

I've continued to focus on the origin, nature, and "function" of emotions for humans.

Emotions are emergent processes: they require a dynamic computational architecture

"Appraisal theorists generally agree about the major criteria or dimensions that are required to determine the behavioural meaning of an event to the organism (Scherer 1999; Ellsworth & Scherer 2003). Column 1 in table 1 lists the criteria as they are defined in the CPM (for further details and references, see Scherer 2001, in press a; Sanderet al. 2005). The verbal description of these criteria or checks to be processed in the appraisal process seems to require a complex cognitive calculus. However, this is not necessarily the case. Leventhal & Scherer (1987) showed that all of the criteria can be processed at three hierarchically organized levels: (i) the sensory-motor level, in which the checking mechanisms are mostly genetically determined and the criteria consist of appropriate templates for pattern matching and similar mechanisms (cf. the notion of ‘biological preparedness’; O¨ hman 1987); (ii) the schematic level, based on social learning processes, occurring in a fairly automatic, unconscious fashion; and (iii) the conceptual level, primarily via cortical association areas and requiring consciousness, involving propositional knowledge and underlying cultural meaning systems. The different levels continuously interact, producing top-down and bottom-up effects (see also Van Reekum & Scherer 1997)."

Let's assume the two authors are actually referring to the same thing, which I think they are (i.e., the "sensation of free will" is analogous to the "sensation that one is an agent appraising a stimuli.")

This brings us back to the topic of self-regulation and executive functioning that I've touched on before. For a system to move past the "programmed" stimulus-(automatic) response mode of interaction, it seems that some form of self-modeling, or self-awareness, may be necessary. This may not get to the mystery of (phenomenal) consciousness, but I think it does speak to the "sensation of free will" aspect of human experience.

I'm not sure he can assume that, in and of itself, it conferred an evolutionary advantage ... Haven't holes been poked?
 
I'm not sure he can assume that, in and of itself, it conferred an evolutionary advantage ... Haven't holes been poked?
I'm not sure which "he" you were referring to, but yeah both gentleman are assuming/asserting ideas that metaphysical have issues. Namely, that consciousness had causal/functional effects.

For one thing, just because an organism has an attribute, be it physical or mental, one can't assume that it evolved and has a function.

However, I think those who study emotions (ie the subjective feel, physiological, motivational, and behavioral aspects) can make a strong case that they serve an adaptive/functional role for humans (and other animals).

But the metaphysical problems persist of course: mental causation and free will.

I think Hoffman's thesis has an answer for the first problem but not the second.
 
The idea of how we responsibly use the fund of consciousness and emotion that we do have in our technology - there's a "toy" robot out Cozmo this season which promises something new along the lines of interactivity and emotional response ... and a major toy company has released companion robot pets specifically designed for the elderly and there are robot kits for kids with autism, so conscious or not, these are extensions of our consciousness and will - and we do interact with them. So there is also the idea of "intelligence on rails" - a smart train would need much less intelligence than a smart car - it only needs to know when to slow down or stop ... it moves on a single line and switching those lines is a decision that can be made elsewhere, similarly robots and other technologies "on rails" could move with and alongside of us as we come coincident to those rails - interactions could be limited by "walls" and "rails" for safety and to clearly define interactions - so that is another class of machine that could be built in a very responsible away, as compared to a fully autonomous robot or the goal being an android with human intelligence - even human like machines, where there might be a strong need to have such - could be more like the Centaur - with a strong human telepresence and a robotic precision in movement, for example the DaVinci surgical system - which leaves the real intelligence, will and emotion where it (for now) belongs - in human hands.
 
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