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Consciousness and the Paranormal
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1) That's ok - I don't want to get bogged down ... as long as I know how you are defining materialism ... but I don't see how the defition is different than saying that everything is made of something and I'm not sure how you could have some things made of non-physical material without then being in a position to just go ahead and extend your definition of physical to include this new material ... a la "some stuff is made of this and some stuff is made of this?"
Again I don't want to get bogged down - but that makes my point ... we're hemmed in by words, which is like when I said that logic and experience won't point outside of the paradigm in which they are grounded, but that's no reason to assume the world ends where our words do, where all words, any words do.
If we say the spiritual is non-physical, you have to leave it there or you compromise the definition of non-physical (and I suppose you could be putting the definition of physical in jeopardy too) ...
"But what is it made of?" - maybe it's not made of anything because then it would be physical (a thing) and the spiritual doesn't have the property of being made of stuff because it isn't a thing ... so by saying you're thinking materialistically, I mean your thinking about everything as if it could be said of it that it is made of something but if the spiritual isn't a thing, if it doesn't have that property ... it could be that we literally can't think of it in that same familiar way we do matter, that it can't be thought of that way by any possible mind because it isn't matter - but what of that? Is it possible we deny the existence of what we aren't capable of thinking about in a particular way? When we say something is ineffable, we often leave a way out ... we really think, "If I were smarter, or someone smarter or an alien with a big brain or a computer or if I find the right way to think about it ..." no, then it wouldn't be ineffable ... which means, can't be effed! So either it means that or the word is meaningless.
So ... I think Steiner will (hopefully) show us a way - "imaginal thinking" (?? I think this is Robert McDermott's term) to do something else with our mind, our intelligence, our thinking so that we can say I understand that now! But we won't understand it the way we do the material. The crux of it though is that we'll still not be able to explain it to our analytic, materialistic intelligence. Again, what of that?
monism:
a problem with monism is that if everything is made up of one fundamental thing then it must be the most simple form of material possible, I think you might say absolutely simple ... so that there can only be one kind of absoluetly simple stuff - one ur-particle (because does it make sense to say this is the most simple possible building block and over here is another, but different most simple kind of building block? Out of what then, did the the difference emerge?) ... so if there is only one type of basic building block and that building block is ultimately simple ... then it's hard to see how it's assembled into everything that is ... ? Very roughly it would be like getting a building kit that contained only wooden spheres of the same size. Even subatomic particles, before they wink out of existence - are different one from another (are they?) so how do we say they are made of the same stuff when they are the stuff? Parsimony is insulted but maybe parsimony is a Western intellectual neurosis.
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michaelangel1453
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One of my favorite movies won the Academy Award for best picture. A favorite scene in it shows the two main characters in a movie line. Behind them is the most abysmally ignorant and insufferable guy imaginable spouting out unceasingly the most impenetrable and pretentious gibberish imaginable.
Our star finally steps out of the line and strides toward us, the audience, in a desperate effort to engage us in his frustration, frustration we all clearly share with him. He asks us a question, and the insufferable fellow then strides from the line to confront him verbally. Our hero, after addressing him, walks to the side of the screen, and we watch him enlist the aid of a philosopher who'd been listening off camera. This scholar's upbraiding of the hot air blowhard is priceless and hilarious.
With the facility so oft demonstrated on this thread, I'm sure this movie can be found, and I encourage you to watch the scene. Priceless.
Our star finally steps out of the line and strides toward us, the audience, in a desperate effort to engage us in his frustration, frustration we all clearly share with him. He asks us a question, and the insufferable fellow then strides from the line to confront him verbally. Our hero, after addressing him, walks to the side of the screen, and we watch him enlist the aid of a philosopher who'd been listening off camera. This scholar's upbraiding of the hot air blowhard is priceless and hilarious.
With the facility so oft demonstrated on this thread, I'm sure this movie can be found, and I encourage you to watch the scene. Priceless.
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smcder
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Welcome back! You were missed. ;-) I hope you will contribute something constructive this time around.
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smcder
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You've got to be the tenth person I know who claims Annie Hall as one of their favorite movies ... me, I'm a Bananas man - love me some Stallone.
Yo!
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Soupie
Paranormal Adept
I agree that the issue of substance dualism, monism, polyism, etc is a secondary issue regarding consciousness and the paranormal. But nonetheless it's a topic that I enjoy thinking and talking about.
I think Chalmers makes a slam dunk case that qualia are not constituted of physical units. This, there are either (at least) two substances or one substance with (at least) physical and non-physical properties.
As for how a simple building block could constitute a complex reality, we need look no further than physics and chemistry. As I say, I see no reason to believe any non-physical aspect of reality should be any different.
Speaking of Stuff Monism and QST mentioned earlier, here's a current article on the growing realization that reality may be a superfluid:
Have We Been Interpreting Quantum Mechanics Wrong This Whole Time? | Science | WIRED
And here's a very detailed article about how the brain uses a series of (simple, monistic) electric pulses/spikes to create a representation of reality:
Christof Koch and Gary Marcus Explain the Codes Used by the Brain | MIT Technology Review
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I just saw that WIRED article last night ...
It's not enough to just invoke chemistry and physics ... ;-) ... and while we're at it, I've never seen a slam dunk argument in philosophy ...
The question isn't how to assemble complex things from simple things ... the question is how to assemble complex things from one absolutely simple thing. In the Robert McDermott article on monism, he puts the issue this way:
In view of the monistic tendency to devalue the full rnage of particulars, it is understandable that throughout the history of Western thought, monism has been countered not only by orthodox theologies but equally by dominant phiilosophies.
In particle physics, an elementary particle or fundamental particle is a particle whose substructure is unknown, thus it is unknown whether it is composed of other particles. - Wikipedia
Again, I'm not commited either way - if the simplest piece of what is is also complex enough to combine into everything that is ... that would be fascinating ... I'm not sure how to even think about an absolutely simple thing ... but you would still have forces, fields, rules, etc to account for ... where did they come from ... does that come from some kind of simple field of undifferentiated but infinite potential before the big bang? (ala Christopher Langan) That sound an awful lot like the Catholic doctrine of the simplicity of God (just substitute undifferentiated field of infinite potential for God):
God is not composed or divisible by any physical or metaphysical means. Simplicity of God refers to the fact that he has no parts. The simplicity teaching extends to the entire nature of God. His substance, nature, and very being is that of utter simplicity. The properties usually attributed to God such as omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence do not contradict the teaching of simplicity because each property is a different way of looking at the infinite active being of God from a limited perspective. One consequence of this teaching is the fact that since God is simple, he must be a pure spirit.
It's even harder to reconcile monism with the question of why there is anything and not nothing ... monism is the mania for the idea that it all comes down to one thing ... and then you only have to account for one thing coming out of nothing ... but, if there has always been something - then there's really no motivation to say it all comes down to one thing, monism is an accounting to make simpler how things began ... take that away and there's not a lot of motivation to bring it all down to one thing
I think we're all on board with the brain being part of consciousness, so I'm not following where that article fits in ... ?
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As for how a simple building block could constitute a complex reality, we need look no further than physics and chemistry. As I say, I see no reason to believe any non-physical aspect of reality should be any different.
OK, that's where I don't follow you ... first, non-physical material doesn't make sense the way the words are normally used - material is defined in terms of things that make other things up and physical is what we know of the perceptible universe - that it's all accounted for in physics ... so you kind of seem to be saying to me that spirit is made of "spirit matter" and physical stuff is made of "physical matter" ... ? Is that right?
But if this is a monistic universe, then spirit and physical matter have to be ultimately made up of the same, absolutely simple thing ... so now you have to account for not only a variety of things out there, but also two classes of entirely different kinds of things that are still made up of the same simple thing ... ? Ockham's gonna need two razors.
Seems much easier to just say there is no separate spirit world - it's some kind of continuation or extension of the physical world but still will be ultimately conceivable in terms of some kind of physics OR the spirit world is just something entirely different and you can't talk or think about it the same way as the physical ...
Here's a transcript of a discussion on "shadow matter" - this gives an accounting of etheric bodies and other paranormal events but John Hagelin never steps outside of a physical universe in doing so (as far as I can tell) ... so maybe that's closer to what you are trying to express?
Consciousness and the Paranormal | Page 33 | The Paracast Community Forums
OK, that's where I don't follow you ... first, non-physical material doesn't make sense the way the words are normally used - material is defined in terms of things that make other things up and physical is what we know of the perceptible universe - that it's all accounted for in physics ... so you kind of seem to be saying to me that spirit is made of "spirit matter" and physical stuff is made of "physical matter" ... ? Is that right?
But if this is a monistic universe, then spirit and physical matter have to be ultimately made up of the same, absolutely simple thing ... so now you have to account for not only a variety of things out there, but also two classes of entirely different kinds of things that are still made up of the same simple thing ... ? Ockham's gonna need two razors.
Seems much easier to just say there is no separate spirit world - it's some kind of continuation or extension of the physical world but still will be ultimately conceivable in terms of some kind of physics OR the spirit world is just something entirely different and you can't talk or think about it the same way as the physical ...
Here's a transcript of a discussion on "shadow matter" - this gives an accounting of etheric bodies and other paranormal events but John Hagelin never steps outside of a physical universe in doing so (as far as I can tell) ... so maybe that's closer to what you are trying to express?
Consciousness and the Paranormal | Page 33 | The Paracast Community Forums
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smcder
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I see Bub Abbott and Lou Costello standing in a field of infinite undifferentiated potential:
Costello: You mean it's all just one thing?
Abbott: (dipping hand into primordial soup) Yep
Costello: But what's that made of?
Abbott: Pure, undifferentiated potential!
Costello: OK, what I'm asking is what comes first?
Abbott: No, Who comes first, What comes second
Costello: That's what I'm asking ... who made what?
Abbott: Right - Who.
Costello: I'm asking you who made what?
Abbott: Every bit of it.
Costello: Who?
Abbott: Yes.
Costello: Naturally.
Abbott: No, nature came third ...
And with an enormous flash - cosmic hilarity ensued ...
Costello: You mean it's all just one thing?
Abbott: (dipping hand into primordial soup) Yep
Costello: But what's that made of?
Abbott: Pure, undifferentiated potential!
Costello: OK, what I'm asking is what comes first?
Abbott: No, Who comes first, What comes second
Costello: That's what I'm asking ... who made what?
Abbott: Right - Who.
Costello: I'm asking you who made what?
Abbott: Every bit of it.
Costello: Who?
Abbott: Yes.
Costello: Naturally.
Abbott: No, nature came third ...
And with an enormous flash - cosmic hilarity ensued ...
Tyger
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smcder
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That's very good - your own authorship? I'm impressed.
Yes ma'am - thank you. I've been listening to that routine since I was a kid - they have a lot of other routines structured like it that they used on their shows ... my dad had all of these old time radio cassettes and I listened to them over and over.
I rediscovered old time radio on the internet a few years back - Bucky Benny OTR is one of the best:
PodOmatic | Profile - Buck Benny
He focuses mostly on Jack Benny and Fred Allen but he also has Fibber McGee and Molly, The Great Gildersleeve, Suspense, Inner Sanctum ...
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smcder
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There's a kind of trap between "one" and "two" - monism and dualism are one pretty elegant dichotomy ... or as the great sage Yogi Berra probably said:
"those three make a pair if I ever saw one!"
No one talks about Tri-ism (how would you even spell that?) or there being one and a half basic kind of things (wait ... isn't that property dualsim? One substance + two properties = three things over two categories = 1.5 ) except Chalmers kind of does with PQTI ...
Partially Examined Life Ep. 68 David Chalmers Interview | The Partially Examined Life Philosophy Podcast | A Philosophy Podcast and Blog
in terms of trying to reduce things down to one philosophical number ...
As I said monism helps to talk about beginnings because it brings what you have to account for down to one ... and because one comes first after zero ... it feels wrong to say zero ... two ... but maybe that just comes from the little number line in our head?
If you don't talk beginnings then you can discard monism and everyone except the mystic does exacty that in a practical sense ... there aren't many practicing monists ... we all act like there are lots of different things in the world.
As I've heard it told, zero was invented - it became the new one, but one is still the loneliest number - intuitively we don't see anything coming out of one, but two gives rise immediately to three, four and the ten thousand things, two proliferates
(1) ... (2--> 3-4-5)
Three is another example, three part essay, thesis, antithesis, synthesis, etc. The trinity concept in theism links one and three ... so all of this it seems to me comes out of our particular instantiation as human beings, a local but not an absolute truth - so if we impose that when we try to talk about everything, we just need to be aware that's what we might be doing and it might not have to do with reality ... again this goes back to breaking your frame of reference - something meditation does, usually gradually but sometimes all at once and something psychedelics seem to usually absolutely shatter.
"those three make a pair if I ever saw one!"
No one talks about Tri-ism (how would you even spell that?) or there being one and a half basic kind of things (wait ... isn't that property dualsim? One substance + two properties = three things over two categories = 1.5 ) except Chalmers kind of does with PQTI ...
Partially Examined Life Ep. 68 David Chalmers Interview | The Partially Examined Life Philosophy Podcast | A Philosophy Podcast and Blog
in terms of trying to reduce things down to one philosophical number ...
As I said monism helps to talk about beginnings because it brings what you have to account for down to one ... and because one comes first after zero ... it feels wrong to say zero ... two ... but maybe that just comes from the little number line in our head?
If you don't talk beginnings then you can discard monism and everyone except the mystic does exacty that in a practical sense ... there aren't many practicing monists ... we all act like there are lots of different things in the world.
As I've heard it told, zero was invented - it became the new one, but one is still the loneliest number - intuitively we don't see anything coming out of one, but two gives rise immediately to three, four and the ten thousand things, two proliferates
(1) ... (2--> 3-4-5)
Three is another example, three part essay, thesis, antithesis, synthesis, etc. The trinity concept in theism links one and three ... so all of this it seems to me comes out of our particular instantiation as human beings, a local but not an absolute truth - so if we impose that when we try to talk about everything, we just need to be aware that's what we might be doing and it might not have to do with reality ... again this goes back to breaking your frame of reference - something meditation does, usually gradually but sometimes all at once and something psychedelics seem to usually absolutely shatter.
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
Is it possible that you are equating yourself with the philosopher 'listening off camera'?
Without any intellectual-heavy-lifting demonstrated on this thread on your part - I don't think you can credibly posit yourself as the philosopher off camera.As for the 'hot air blowhard' - at least he is engaged in the debate, able to parlez-vous the arguments. He is getting his feet wet. More than you are doing. Just saying, as the saying goes.
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
Keeping in mind what the Immune System is purported to be - this is the control of the etheric or formative forces -
The Science Behind Consciously Controlling Your Immune System: The Mind-Body Connection
LINK: The Science Behind Consciously Controlling Your Immune System: The Mind-Body Connection | The Mind Unleashed
Altered State - The Iceman - Wim Hof
He says at the end: "I am scared like anybody - at the beginning - but I've learned how to get over it. Scared is very natural because it shows that something dangerous is happening and one must be prepared. So if I am prepared, this fear will go away - then I know I'm ready. I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid not to live - fully - because fully is to go deep - and for that any chance I'll take on."
The Science Behind Consciously Controlling Your Immune System: The Mind-Body Connection
LINK: The Science Behind Consciously Controlling Your Immune System: The Mind-Body Connection | The Mind Unleashed
Altered State - The Iceman - Wim Hof
He says at the end: "I am scared like anybody - at the beginning - but I've learned how to get over it. Scared is very natural because it shows that something dangerous is happening and one must be prepared. So if I am prepared, this fear will go away - then I know I'm ready. I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid not to live - fully - because fully is to go deep - and for that any chance I'll take on."
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smcder
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This is fun - if we grant Mikey his Woody (and wooly) analogy - who represents:
Woody Allen
the "hot air blowhard"
the philosopher
?
I could be the blowhard, but not a "hot air" blowhard because when I blow, baby, I blow cooooool ....
... yeah
Woody Allen
the "hot air blowhard"
the philosopher
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I could be the blowhard, but not a "hot air" blowhard because when I blow, baby, I blow cooooool ....
... yeah
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
I recently came across 'The Mind Unleashed' blog that has many writers contributing to it. It never fails to entertain - and be thought provoking. I have not read the entire article but am book marking it here so I can come back to it later - and in the process am sharing -
LINK: 10 Scientific Studies That Prove Consciousness Can Alter Our Physical Material World | Collective-Evolution
TEXT of Entire Article Follows: Nikola Tesla said it best, “the day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence. To understand the true nature of the universe, one must think it terms of energy, frequency and vibration.” Swami Vivekananda influenced Tesla’s work, an Indian Hindu monk and chief disciple of the 19th century saint Ramakrishna. Tesla was also influenced by other Vedic philosophies.
Science works best when in harmony with nature. If we put these two together, we can discover great technologies that can only come about when the consciousness of the planet is ready to embrace them, like free energy.
I want to make it clear that my intention of presenting this information is to demonstrate that thoughts, intentions, prayer and other units of consciousness can directly influence our physical material world. Consciousness can be a big factor in creating change on the planet. Sending thoughts of love, healing intent, prayer, good intention, and more can have a powerful influence on what you are directing those feelings towards. Fukushima for example, if a mass amount of people send their thoughts and good intention to our waters, we can help mitigate the situation. These concepts can be used on a mass scale as one human race with one intent in their hearts, for multiple problems, as well as individual situations in our own lives. When our consciousness starts to merge into one as a collective, and we all start to see through the same eyes, we will begin to transform the world around us. I believe we are currently in this process.
For quite some time now, physicists have been exploring the relationship between human consciousness and its relationship to the structure of matter. Previously it was believed that a Newtonian material universe was the foundation of our physical material reality. This all changed when scientists began to recognize that everything in the universe is made out of energy. Quantum physicists discovered that physical atoms are made up of vorticies of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating. Matter, at it’s tiniest observable level, is energy, and human consciousness is connected to it, human consciousness can influence it’s behavior and even re-structure it.
“Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real” – Niels Bohr
“The hypothesis of modern science starts from matter as the basic reality, considering space to be an extension of the void. The phenomenon of creation of stable cosmic matter, therefore, goes beyond the scope of present science. The theory also neither pinpoints the source of cosmic energy that resides in the structure of matter, nor can it explain the cause of material properties that are experienced with the behavior of matter. These are, in brief, the limitations of modern scientific theories at the most basic level of the physical phenomena of nature. When a scientific theory cannot cope with the question of the very origin of the universal matter and energy, how could it ever grasp and explain the phenomenon of consciousness which is evident in living beings?” – Paramahamsa Tewari (0)
The revelation that the universe is not an assembly of physical parts, but instead comes from an entanglement of immaterial energy waves stems from the work of Albert Einstein, Max Planck and Werner Heisenberg, amongst others.
1. The Quantum Double Slit Experiment
The quantum double slit experiment is a great example of how consciousness and our physical material world are intertwined. One potential revelation of this experience is that “the observer creates the reality.” A paper published in the peer-reviewed journal Physics Essays explains how this experiment has been used multiple times to explore the role of consciousness in shaping the nature of physical reality. (2)
In this experiment, a double-slit optical system was used to test the possible role of consciousness in the collapse of the quantum wave-function. The ratio of the interference pattern’s double slit spectral power to its single slit spectral power was predicted to decrease when attention was focused toward the double slit as compared to away from it. The study found that factors associated with consciousness significantly correlated in predicted ways with perturbations in the double slit interference pattern.(2) For visual demonstration of this experiment, click here.
“Observation not only disturbs what has to be measured, they produce it. We compel the electron to assume a definite position. We ourselves produce the results of the measurement.” (2)
“A fundamental conclusion of the new physics also acknowledges that the observer creates the reality. As observers, we are personally involved with the creation of our own reality. Physicists are being forced to admit that the universe is a “mental” construction. Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. Get over it, and accept the inarguable conclusion. The universe is immaterial-mental and spiritual.” (R.C. Henry, “The Mental Universe” ; Nature 436:29,2005) (1)
2. Government Sponsored Psychokinesis Experiments
Psychokinesis, also known as PK, encompasses the possible influence of human consciousness on the behavior of physical or biological systems or processes, and comprises several loosely related classes of effect characterized by different scales of energy, forms of manifestation, replicability and statistical behavior. (3)
In 2004, a United States Air Force research project declassified a paper titled Teleportation Physics Study, authored by Eric Davis, Ph. D., showing that psychokinesis and other parapsychological phenomenon have been subject to rigorous research and documentation by several researchers and institutions. (4)
One particular example was the work of professional aerospace engineer Jack Houck, along with Army Colonel J.B. Alexander. They were responsible for holding a number of PK sessions, where attendees were taught the PK induction process and how to initiate their own PK events using various metal specimens like forks and spoons. Individuals were able to completely bend or contort their metal specimens with no physical force being applied whatsoever. (5)
These events were held for government science advisors and senior military officials. They took place at the Pentagon, at officers’ and scientists’ homes, and at U.S Army Intelligence & Security Command locations all over the world. Commanding generals, colonels and more were always in attendance. What was witnessed by all was spontaneous deformation of mental specimens, which caused “a great deal of excitement” amongst those present. (4)
“We will need a physics theory of consciousness and psychotronics, along with more experimental data, and discover the physical mechanisms that lay behind the psychotronic manipulation of matter.” (4)
3. The Global Consciousness Experiment/Random Number Generators
The global consciousness experiment is an international, multidisciplinary project between multiple scientists and engineers.(7)(8) It originates from Princeton University, in conjunction with the Institute of Noetic Sciences. It collects data constantly from a worldwide network of physical random number generators located all over the planet. The data is transmitted to a home base, which now has more than 15 years of data stored in it.
“Our purpose is to examine subtle correlations that may reflect the presence and activity of consciousness in the world. We hypothesize that there will be structure in what should be random data, associated with major global events that engage our minds and hearts.”(7)
RNGs are systems created by Princeton researchers that are sensitive to and respond to the intentions of individuals, in other words, the influence of consciousness. They also respond to marked shifts in attention occurring in their environment. Peaks of order are commonly recorded during moments of shared attention and emotions. RNGs also responded, and had the largest effects ever recorded by the Global Consciousness Project during major world events, like 9/11. (6) Other large recordings have occurred on presidential inaugurations, tsunamis and the deaths of public figures. These findings stirred deep questions about the nature of consciousness and it’s connection to our physical material reality.
You can read more about RNGs here
4. NSA/CIA Remote Viewing Experiments In Conjunction With Stanford University
Remote viewing is the ability of individuals to describe remote geographical locations up to several hundred thousand kilometers (even more) away. This concept has been proven, demonstrated and documented a number of times.
In 1995, the CIA declassified and approved the release of documents revealing its involvement in the program that lasted for more than 25 years. (10) (9)
Ingo Swann, one participant in this experiment was able to view specific rings around Jupiter before NASA was about to take pictures of it with their pioneer 10 craft. This was documented in the research. Individuals were also able to view objects and people in separate rooms that were completely blocked off from their present physical location. The fact that some have/ had the capability to project their consciousness elsewhere from their present physical location is quite amazing.
These projects occurred for decades, while some of the mainstream world continued to view them as “pseudoscience,” the Department of Defense takes them extremely seriously, and keeps them extremely secret. This program was part of a program called “STARGATE” and was unexpectantly shut down. (11)
You can read more about remote viewing here.
5. Thoughts and Intentions Alter The Physical Structure of Water
Experiments over the past four decades have investigated whether human intention alone affects the properties of water. (12)
This question has been around for a while in the alternative medicine realms, because the human body is made up of approximately 70% water. According to the Institute of Noetic Sciences, researchers have suggested that intentionally influenced water can be detected by examining ice crystals formed from samples of that water. Consistent results commonly point to the idea that positive intentions tend to produce symmetric, well-formed, aesthetically pleasing crystals, and negative intentions tend to produce asymmetric, poorly formed and unattractive crystals. (12)
If thoughts and emotions can do this to water, just imagine what they can do to us.
Many people point out that this experiment was a fraud, but it’s been conducted multiple times and replicated by some highly respectable individuals in the field of science. The paper I am citing here is from Dean Radin, who has published multiple research papers in peer-reviewed journals. The experiment was conducted at the Institute for Noetic Sciences and Adjunct Faculty in the Department of Psychology at Sonoma State University. (12)
You can read more about this experiment here
This also correlates with a study that examined the role of intention and belief on mood while drinking tea. It explored whether drinking tea “treated” with good intentions by monks would have an effect on mood more so than drinking ordinary tea. The study was done under double-blind, randomized conditions, and results proved positive. (13)
6. The Placebo Effect
It’s been well documented that we can change our biology simply by what we believe to be true. The placebo effect is defined as the measurable, observable, or felt improvement in health or behavior not attributable to a medication or invasive treatment that has been administered. It suggests that one can treat various ailments by using the mind to heal. Many studies have shown that the placebo effect (the power of consciousness) is real and highly effective.
A Baylor School of Medicine study, published in 2002 in the New England Journal of Medicine, (1)looked at surgery for patients with severe and debilitating knee pain. Many surgeons know there is no placebo effect in surgery, or so most of them believe. The patients were divided into three groups. The surgeons shaved the damaged cartilage in the knee of one group. For the second group they flushed out the knee joint, removing all of the material believed to be causing inflammation. Both of these processes are the standard surgeries people go through who have severe arthritic knees. The third group received a “fake” surgery, the patients were only sedated and tricked that they actually had the knee surgery. For the patients not really receiving the surgery, the doctors made the incisions and splashed salt water on the knee as they would in normal surgery. They then sewed up the incisions like the real thing and the process was complete. All three groups went through the same rehab process, and the results were astonishing. The placebo group improved just as much as the other two groups who had surgery.
- See more at: The Placebo Effect: Transforming Biology With Belief | Collective-Evolution
A Baylor School of Medicine study, published in 2002 in the New England Journal of Medicine, (14)looked at surgery for patients with severe and debilitating knee pain. Many surgeons know there is no placebo effect in surgery, or so most of them believe. The patients were divided into three groups. The surgeons shaved the damaged cartilage in the knee of one group. For the second group they flushed out the knee joint, removing all of the material believed to be causing inflammation. Both of these processes are the standard surgeries people go through who have severe arthritic knees. The third group received a “fake” surgery, the patients were only sedated and tricked that they actually had the knee surgery. For the patients not really receiving the surgery, the doctors made the incisions and splashed salt water on the knee as they would in normal surgery. They then sewed up the incisions like the real thing and the process was complete. All three groups went through the same rehab process, and the results were astonishing. The placebo group improved just as much as the other two groups who had had surgery.
Another great example of the placebo effect came from the United States Department of Health and Human Services in 1999. The report discovered that half of severely depressed patients taking drugs improve compared to the thirty-two percent taking a placebo. Don’t forget about all of the side effects and dangers that have been associated with antidepressants every year. Don’t forget that the ‘depression industry’ alone is a multi-billion dollar one.
A 2002 article published in the American Psychological Association’s prevention & treatment, by University of Connecticut psychology professor Irving Kirsch titled, “The Emperor’s New Drugs,” made some more shocking discoveries(15)(16). He found that 80 percent of the effect of antidepressants, as measured in clinical trials, could be attributed to the placebo effect. This professor even had to file a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to get information on the clinical trials of the top antidepressants.
For more on the Placebo Effect, click here.
7. Teleportation
“It became known to myself, along with several colleagues both inside and outside of government, that anomalous teleportation has been scientifically investigated and separately documented by the Department of Defense.”
A paper published in the Peoples Republic of China (PRC) in September 1981, in the journal Ziran Zazhi (Nature Journal)tilted “Some Experiments on the Transfer of Objects Performed by Unusual Abilities of the Human Body” (Shuhuang et al., 1981) reported that ‘gifted children,’ were able to cause the teleportation of small, physical objects from one place to another.(4) Objects included watches, horseflies, other insects, radio micro-transmitters, photosensitive paper and more. The participants never touched the objects beforehand. The experiments were done under both blind and double-blind conditions, and the researches involved came from various colleges and sectors of the Department of Defense. This is an exceptional case, because it was deemed necessary that an unclassified Intelligence Information Report be prepared for public viewing.
More research was done by the Aerospace Medicine Engineering Institute in Beijing, in July of 1990. It was published in the Chinese Journal of Somatic Science (Kongzhi et al., 1990: Jinggen et al., 1990; Banghui; 1990). This study reported several experiments involving high speed photography video taping, which was able to capture the transfer of test specimens like nuts, matches, nails, pills and more through the walls of sealed paper envelopes, sealed glass bottles and tubes, sealed plastic film canisters and more without the walls of any of these containers being breached. All of these experiments reported using gifted children and adults to cause the teleportation of various materials. (4) You can read more on teleportation here
8. The Science of The Heart
The heart generates the largest electromagnetic field produced in the body. Researchers have analyzed the spectrum analysis of the magnetic field that’s produced by the heart, and results have shown that emotional information is encoded into this electromagnetic field. So, by shifting our emotions, we are changing the information that is encoded into these electromagnetic field that are radiated by the heart. This can impact those around us. When we are feeling emotions of compassion, love, gratitude and understanding, the heart beats out a very different message.
9/10 And Beyond
There are numerous studies documenting how consciousness and our physical material reality are intertwined, in so many different ways, with many different examples like the ones listed above. I am going to leave you with a long list of selected peer-reviewed journal publications on Psi research. This involves anomalous processes of information or energy transfer, telepathy and other forms of unexplained phenomenon that have observable, repeatable outcomes in the lab.
Click HERE to continue your research on how consciousness and our physical material world are interconnected.
Consciousness plays a very important role in changing our planet. Just having these thoughts alone would contribute to the massive shift in consciousness that’s occurring. Find your inner peace, be peace, be love, acting and living your life from such a place plays a very important role in changing the world.
Sources:
(0) http://www.tewari.org/Books/SpititualFoundations/SF%20R12702.htm
(1) http://henry.pha.jhu.edu/The.mental.Universe.pdf
(2) http://media.noetic.org/uploads/files/PhysicsEssays-Radin-DoubleSlit-2012.pdf
(3) http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/pdfs/1982-persistant-paradox-psychic-phenomena.pdf
(4) http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/teleport.pdf
(5) http://www.jackhouck.com/pdf_files/pk_materials_format.pdf
(6) http://boundarytech.com/bi/articles/FoPL_nelson-pp.pdf
(7) http://noosphere.princeton.edu/
(8) https://www.princeton.edu/~pear/#sthash.wBugqPwj.dpuf
(9) http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_10_1_puthoff.pdf
(10) http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/pdfs/1979-precognitive-remote-viewing-stanford.pdf
(11) http://www.lfr.org/lfr/csl/media/air_mayresponse.html
(12) http://media.noetic.org/uploads/files/Double-blind_water.pdf
(13) http://deanradin.com/evidence/Shiah2013.pdf
(14) http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa013259
(15) http://psycnet.apa.org/?&fa=main.doiLanding&doi=10.1037/1522-3736.5.1.523a
(16) http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mind-reviews-the-emperors-new-drugs/
LINK: 10 Scientific Studies That Prove Consciousness Can Alter Our Physical Material World | Collective-Evolution
TEXT of Entire Article Follows: Nikola Tesla said it best, “the day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence. To understand the true nature of the universe, one must think it terms of energy, frequency and vibration.” Swami Vivekananda influenced Tesla’s work, an Indian Hindu monk and chief disciple of the 19th century saint Ramakrishna. Tesla was also influenced by other Vedic philosophies.
Science works best when in harmony with nature. If we put these two together, we can discover great technologies that can only come about when the consciousness of the planet is ready to embrace them, like free energy.
I want to make it clear that my intention of presenting this information is to demonstrate that thoughts, intentions, prayer and other units of consciousness can directly influence our physical material world. Consciousness can be a big factor in creating change on the planet. Sending thoughts of love, healing intent, prayer, good intention, and more can have a powerful influence on what you are directing those feelings towards. Fukushima for example, if a mass amount of people send their thoughts and good intention to our waters, we can help mitigate the situation. These concepts can be used on a mass scale as one human race with one intent in their hearts, for multiple problems, as well as individual situations in our own lives. When our consciousness starts to merge into one as a collective, and we all start to see through the same eyes, we will begin to transform the world around us. I believe we are currently in this process.
For quite some time now, physicists have been exploring the relationship between human consciousness and its relationship to the structure of matter. Previously it was believed that a Newtonian material universe was the foundation of our physical material reality. This all changed when scientists began to recognize that everything in the universe is made out of energy. Quantum physicists discovered that physical atoms are made up of vorticies of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating. Matter, at it’s tiniest observable level, is energy, and human consciousness is connected to it, human consciousness can influence it’s behavior and even re-structure it.
“Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real” – Niels Bohr
“The hypothesis of modern science starts from matter as the basic reality, considering space to be an extension of the void. The phenomenon of creation of stable cosmic matter, therefore, goes beyond the scope of present science. The theory also neither pinpoints the source of cosmic energy that resides in the structure of matter, nor can it explain the cause of material properties that are experienced with the behavior of matter. These are, in brief, the limitations of modern scientific theories at the most basic level of the physical phenomena of nature. When a scientific theory cannot cope with the question of the very origin of the universal matter and energy, how could it ever grasp and explain the phenomenon of consciousness which is evident in living beings?” – Paramahamsa Tewari (0)
The revelation that the universe is not an assembly of physical parts, but instead comes from an entanglement of immaterial energy waves stems from the work of Albert Einstein, Max Planck and Werner Heisenberg, amongst others.
1. The Quantum Double Slit Experiment
The quantum double slit experiment is a great example of how consciousness and our physical material world are intertwined. One potential revelation of this experience is that “the observer creates the reality.” A paper published in the peer-reviewed journal Physics Essays explains how this experiment has been used multiple times to explore the role of consciousness in shaping the nature of physical reality. (2)
In this experiment, a double-slit optical system was used to test the possible role of consciousness in the collapse of the quantum wave-function. The ratio of the interference pattern’s double slit spectral power to its single slit spectral power was predicted to decrease when attention was focused toward the double slit as compared to away from it. The study found that factors associated with consciousness significantly correlated in predicted ways with perturbations in the double slit interference pattern.(2) For visual demonstration of this experiment, click here.
“Observation not only disturbs what has to be measured, they produce it. We compel the electron to assume a definite position. We ourselves produce the results of the measurement.” (2)
“A fundamental conclusion of the new physics also acknowledges that the observer creates the reality. As observers, we are personally involved with the creation of our own reality. Physicists are being forced to admit that the universe is a “mental” construction. Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. Get over it, and accept the inarguable conclusion. The universe is immaterial-mental and spiritual.” (R.C. Henry, “The Mental Universe” ; Nature 436:29,2005) (1)
2. Government Sponsored Psychokinesis Experiments
Psychokinesis, also known as PK, encompasses the possible influence of human consciousness on the behavior of physical or biological systems or processes, and comprises several loosely related classes of effect characterized by different scales of energy, forms of manifestation, replicability and statistical behavior. (3)
In 2004, a United States Air Force research project declassified a paper titled Teleportation Physics Study, authored by Eric Davis, Ph. D., showing that psychokinesis and other parapsychological phenomenon have been subject to rigorous research and documentation by several researchers and institutions. (4)
One particular example was the work of professional aerospace engineer Jack Houck, along with Army Colonel J.B. Alexander. They were responsible for holding a number of PK sessions, where attendees were taught the PK induction process and how to initiate their own PK events using various metal specimens like forks and spoons. Individuals were able to completely bend or contort their metal specimens with no physical force being applied whatsoever. (5)
These events were held for government science advisors and senior military officials. They took place at the Pentagon, at officers’ and scientists’ homes, and at U.S Army Intelligence & Security Command locations all over the world. Commanding generals, colonels and more were always in attendance. What was witnessed by all was spontaneous deformation of mental specimens, which caused “a great deal of excitement” amongst those present. (4)
“We will need a physics theory of consciousness and psychotronics, along with more experimental data, and discover the physical mechanisms that lay behind the psychotronic manipulation of matter.” (4)
3. The Global Consciousness Experiment/Random Number Generators
The global consciousness experiment is an international, multidisciplinary project between multiple scientists and engineers.(7)(8) It originates from Princeton University, in conjunction with the Institute of Noetic Sciences. It collects data constantly from a worldwide network of physical random number generators located all over the planet. The data is transmitted to a home base, which now has more than 15 years of data stored in it.
“Our purpose is to examine subtle correlations that may reflect the presence and activity of consciousness in the world. We hypothesize that there will be structure in what should be random data, associated with major global events that engage our minds and hearts.”(7)
RNGs are systems created by Princeton researchers that are sensitive to and respond to the intentions of individuals, in other words, the influence of consciousness. They also respond to marked shifts in attention occurring in their environment. Peaks of order are commonly recorded during moments of shared attention and emotions. RNGs also responded, and had the largest effects ever recorded by the Global Consciousness Project during major world events, like 9/11. (6) Other large recordings have occurred on presidential inaugurations, tsunamis and the deaths of public figures. These findings stirred deep questions about the nature of consciousness and it’s connection to our physical material reality.
You can read more about RNGs here
4. NSA/CIA Remote Viewing Experiments In Conjunction With Stanford University
Remote viewing is the ability of individuals to describe remote geographical locations up to several hundred thousand kilometers (even more) away. This concept has been proven, demonstrated and documented a number of times.
In 1995, the CIA declassified and approved the release of documents revealing its involvement in the program that lasted for more than 25 years. (10) (9)
Ingo Swann, one participant in this experiment was able to view specific rings around Jupiter before NASA was about to take pictures of it with their pioneer 10 craft. This was documented in the research. Individuals were also able to view objects and people in separate rooms that were completely blocked off from their present physical location. The fact that some have/ had the capability to project their consciousness elsewhere from their present physical location is quite amazing.
These projects occurred for decades, while some of the mainstream world continued to view them as “pseudoscience,” the Department of Defense takes them extremely seriously, and keeps them extremely secret. This program was part of a program called “STARGATE” and was unexpectantly shut down. (11)
You can read more about remote viewing here.
5. Thoughts and Intentions Alter The Physical Structure of Water
Experiments over the past four decades have investigated whether human intention alone affects the properties of water. (12)
This question has been around for a while in the alternative medicine realms, because the human body is made up of approximately 70% water. According to the Institute of Noetic Sciences, researchers have suggested that intentionally influenced water can be detected by examining ice crystals formed from samples of that water. Consistent results commonly point to the idea that positive intentions tend to produce symmetric, well-formed, aesthetically pleasing crystals, and negative intentions tend to produce asymmetric, poorly formed and unattractive crystals. (12)
If thoughts and emotions can do this to water, just imagine what they can do to us.
Many people point out that this experiment was a fraud, but it’s been conducted multiple times and replicated by some highly respectable individuals in the field of science. The paper I am citing here is from Dean Radin, who has published multiple research papers in peer-reviewed journals. The experiment was conducted at the Institute for Noetic Sciences and Adjunct Faculty in the Department of Psychology at Sonoma State University. (12)
You can read more about this experiment here
This also correlates with a study that examined the role of intention and belief on mood while drinking tea. It explored whether drinking tea “treated” with good intentions by monks would have an effect on mood more so than drinking ordinary tea. The study was done under double-blind, randomized conditions, and results proved positive. (13)
6. The Placebo Effect
It’s been well documented that we can change our biology simply by what we believe to be true. The placebo effect is defined as the measurable, observable, or felt improvement in health or behavior not attributable to a medication or invasive treatment that has been administered. It suggests that one can treat various ailments by using the mind to heal. Many studies have shown that the placebo effect (the power of consciousness) is real and highly effective.
A Baylor School of Medicine study, published in 2002 in the New England Journal of Medicine, (1)looked at surgery for patients with severe and debilitating knee pain. Many surgeons know there is no placebo effect in surgery, or so most of them believe. The patients were divided into three groups. The surgeons shaved the damaged cartilage in the knee of one group. For the second group they flushed out the knee joint, removing all of the material believed to be causing inflammation. Both of these processes are the standard surgeries people go through who have severe arthritic knees. The third group received a “fake” surgery, the patients were only sedated and tricked that they actually had the knee surgery. For the patients not really receiving the surgery, the doctors made the incisions and splashed salt water on the knee as they would in normal surgery. They then sewed up the incisions like the real thing and the process was complete. All three groups went through the same rehab process, and the results were astonishing. The placebo group improved just as much as the other two groups who had surgery.
- See more at: The Placebo Effect: Transforming Biology With Belief | Collective-Evolution
A Baylor School of Medicine study, published in 2002 in the New England Journal of Medicine, (14)looked at surgery for patients with severe and debilitating knee pain. Many surgeons know there is no placebo effect in surgery, or so most of them believe. The patients were divided into three groups. The surgeons shaved the damaged cartilage in the knee of one group. For the second group they flushed out the knee joint, removing all of the material believed to be causing inflammation. Both of these processes are the standard surgeries people go through who have severe arthritic knees. The third group received a “fake” surgery, the patients were only sedated and tricked that they actually had the knee surgery. For the patients not really receiving the surgery, the doctors made the incisions and splashed salt water on the knee as they would in normal surgery. They then sewed up the incisions like the real thing and the process was complete. All three groups went through the same rehab process, and the results were astonishing. The placebo group improved just as much as the other two groups who had had surgery.
Another great example of the placebo effect came from the United States Department of Health and Human Services in 1999. The report discovered that half of severely depressed patients taking drugs improve compared to the thirty-two percent taking a placebo. Don’t forget about all of the side effects and dangers that have been associated with antidepressants every year. Don’t forget that the ‘depression industry’ alone is a multi-billion dollar one.
A 2002 article published in the American Psychological Association’s prevention & treatment, by University of Connecticut psychology professor Irving Kirsch titled, “The Emperor’s New Drugs,” made some more shocking discoveries(15)(16). He found that 80 percent of the effect of antidepressants, as measured in clinical trials, could be attributed to the placebo effect. This professor even had to file a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to get information on the clinical trials of the top antidepressants.
For more on the Placebo Effect, click here.
7. Teleportation
“It became known to myself, along with several colleagues both inside and outside of government, that anomalous teleportation has been scientifically investigated and separately documented by the Department of Defense.”
A paper published in the Peoples Republic of China (PRC) in September 1981, in the journal Ziran Zazhi (Nature Journal)tilted “Some Experiments on the Transfer of Objects Performed by Unusual Abilities of the Human Body” (Shuhuang et al., 1981) reported that ‘gifted children,’ were able to cause the teleportation of small, physical objects from one place to another.(4) Objects included watches, horseflies, other insects, radio micro-transmitters, photosensitive paper and more. The participants never touched the objects beforehand. The experiments were done under both blind and double-blind conditions, and the researches involved came from various colleges and sectors of the Department of Defense. This is an exceptional case, because it was deemed necessary that an unclassified Intelligence Information Report be prepared for public viewing.
More research was done by the Aerospace Medicine Engineering Institute in Beijing, in July of 1990. It was published in the Chinese Journal of Somatic Science (Kongzhi et al., 1990: Jinggen et al., 1990; Banghui; 1990). This study reported several experiments involving high speed photography video taping, which was able to capture the transfer of test specimens like nuts, matches, nails, pills and more through the walls of sealed paper envelopes, sealed glass bottles and tubes, sealed plastic film canisters and more without the walls of any of these containers being breached. All of these experiments reported using gifted children and adults to cause the teleportation of various materials. (4) You can read more on teleportation here
8. The Science of The Heart
The heart generates the largest electromagnetic field produced in the body. Researchers have analyzed the spectrum analysis of the magnetic field that’s produced by the heart, and results have shown that emotional information is encoded into this electromagnetic field. So, by shifting our emotions, we are changing the information that is encoded into these electromagnetic field that are radiated by the heart. This can impact those around us. When we are feeling emotions of compassion, love, gratitude and understanding, the heart beats out a very different message.
9/10 And Beyond
There are numerous studies documenting how consciousness and our physical material reality are intertwined, in so many different ways, with many different examples like the ones listed above. I am going to leave you with a long list of selected peer-reviewed journal publications on Psi research. This involves anomalous processes of information or energy transfer, telepathy and other forms of unexplained phenomenon that have observable, repeatable outcomes in the lab.
Click HERE to continue your research on how consciousness and our physical material world are interconnected.
Consciousness plays a very important role in changing our planet. Just having these thoughts alone would contribute to the massive shift in consciousness that’s occurring. Find your inner peace, be peace, be love, acting and living your life from such a place plays a very important role in changing the world.
Sources:
(0) http://www.tewari.org/Books/SpititualFoundations/SF%20R12702.htm
(1) http://henry.pha.jhu.edu/The.mental.Universe.pdf
(2) http://media.noetic.org/uploads/files/PhysicsEssays-Radin-DoubleSlit-2012.pdf
(3) http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/pdfs/1982-persistant-paradox-psychic-phenomena.pdf
(4) http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/teleport.pdf
(5) http://www.jackhouck.com/pdf_files/pk_materials_format.pdf
(6) http://boundarytech.com/bi/articles/FoPL_nelson-pp.pdf
(7) http://noosphere.princeton.edu/
(8) https://www.princeton.edu/~pear/#sthash.wBugqPwj.dpuf
(9) http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_10_1_puthoff.pdf
(10) http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/pdfs/1979-precognitive-remote-viewing-stanford.pdf
(11) http://www.lfr.org/lfr/csl/media/air_mayresponse.html
(12) http://media.noetic.org/uploads/files/Double-blind_water.pdf
(13) http://deanradin.com/evidence/Shiah2013.pdf
(14) http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa013259
(15) http://psycnet.apa.org/?&fa=main.doiLanding&doi=10.1037/1522-3736.5.1.523a
(16) http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mind-reviews-the-emperors-new-drugs/
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
Well, I nominate Mr Michaelangel for the 'hot air blowhard' - because he's not backing up anything he says with persuasive analysis. So - on second thought - I am giving him too much. In this context 'blowhard' is a compliment. He is Woody Allen - the whiner - more interested in the put-down for the laugh, rather than do any intellectual heavy lifting himself.
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michaelangel1453
Skilled Investigator
My most abject apologies for causing some sensitivity there. I don't take bait so I'll let you fellows over analyze who's who in my post about Annie Hall. Hilarious, though, huh?
As for intellectual heavy lifting, that adjective hardly fits. As for lifting, I'd call them some pretty light dumb bells.
As for being constructive, here's the thing about this thread. Two things:
1. It's very obvious that an elephant that is a taboo subject stands chronically in every post in which he's brought up and there are many in which it is alluded to. But always very obliquely mentioned in a cutely phrased sometimes hyphenated way that shows the cowardice that avoids a more direct mention and exploration. It is vital to this subject that's become an indecipherable bunch of gibberish. But "consciously" avoided, because.....
2. That subject when brought to bear in an open way requires some humility by its very nature, and additionally it requires human interaction and a mind that is capable, however difficult, and it is difficult indeed, of rising way, way above the so obvious, nearly pathological, emphasis I see pervasively here on I, I, I, me, me, my own growth to superior consciousness, my mind's effect on creation, my, my, my solitary, isolated "meditative" "school", etc., etc. All very hubristic and egocentric.
This elephant is huge, and to face him requires getting out of yourselves and dealing with him directly. He's actually a very kind taskmaster, but he requires very heavy lifting and a start is to directly acknowledge him and not dance around him with a simpering gait like a monkey with a parasol. I've tried to help you guys with Twain and a great Woody Allen scene.
I really and genuinely mean this constructively, and in very simple English.
As for intellectual heavy lifting, that adjective hardly fits. As for lifting, I'd call them some pretty light dumb bells.
As for being constructive, here's the thing about this thread. Two things:
1. It's very obvious that an elephant that is a taboo subject stands chronically in every post in which he's brought up and there are many in which it is alluded to. But always very obliquely mentioned in a cutely phrased sometimes hyphenated way that shows the cowardice that avoids a more direct mention and exploration. It is vital to this subject that's become an indecipherable bunch of gibberish. But "consciously" avoided, because.....
2. That subject when brought to bear in an open way requires some humility by its very nature, and additionally it requires human interaction and a mind that is capable, however difficult, and it is difficult indeed, of rising way, way above the so obvious, nearly pathological, emphasis I see pervasively here on I, I, I, me, me, my own growth to superior consciousness, my mind's effect on creation, my, my, my solitary, isolated "meditative" "school", etc., etc. All very hubristic and egocentric.
This elephant is huge, and to face him requires getting out of yourselves and dealing with him directly. He's actually a very kind taskmaster, but he requires very heavy lifting and a start is to directly acknowledge him and not dance around him with a simpering gait like a monkey with a parasol. I've tried to help you guys with Twain and a great Woody Allen scene.
I really and genuinely mean this constructively, and in very simple English.
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smcder
Guest
Please spell it out for me - what is the elephant?
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