people negatively impacted by the economy can potentially regain their financial foothold. Dead people can’t.
It's not simply a matter of the death count, and the math on the stats shows an increased number of deaths from the economic collapse, the long term effects of which could be worse than from the disease itself. Those people are just as dead as those who were killed directly by the virus, not to mention the other stats I posted which indicated the demographic of those highest at risk.
I’m not sure where the debate comes from?
It's not a debate. It's an observation. Look at the numbers yourself.
again, I think it’s time to reopen smartly in Canada.
What defines "smartly". If the actual numbers matter, then what
should have happened is increased protection, containment, and support for high risk and active cases, while the rest of society went on with business as usual. A shotgun approach lockdown affecting billions of people and throwing millions into abject poverty isn't "smart". The people whose deaths result from that are just as dead as those killed directly by the virus.
The US is a good example of how to get this wrong. And of course, they have the double whammy of not having public healthcare to deal with it.
I don't think anyone has got it 100% right. There's still more we're learning.
It’s an order of magnitude more contagious and an order of magnitude more deadly.
An order of magnitude from what? I posted a number of hazards and causes of mortality that are higher. Many people have symptoms so mild they don't even know they have it. The vast majority of the rest recover. Those who don't recover are in high-risk groups, and if what put them there doesn't kill them, there are a host of other far more common hazards and diseases that could. We just had the stats released here not long ago saying the vast majority of deaths from COVID-19 are people who have exceeded their normal life expectancy.
Right now as we speak, heart disease is the leading cause of death for men, women, and people of most racial and ethnic groups in the United States. One person dies every 37 seconds in the United States from cardiovascular disease. About 647,000 Americans die from heart disease each year—that's 1 in every 4 deaths.
This is from:
Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19) - Statistics and Research
"Once a country experiences a rapid outbreak of the disease it can only respond with one of two bad alternatives: leaving the pandemic unchecked would mean that a very large share of the population would get sick and many would die. But the indirect impacts that result from the alternative – the containment measures of shutting down public life – also lead to widespread suffering: these include higher unemployment, lower production (and therefore increasing rates of poverty), and likely also higher mortality from other causes."
I'm not the only person in the world who is looking at the indirect risks as mentioned above. Also, when someone with heart disease who gets COVID-19 dies, what did they
really die from? Where's the stats on how they count that? Much of the "high-risk" population are already dying from why they're in a "high-risk" population to begin with. Why should a terminal case of something else be counted as a death from COVID-19 just because they happened to catch COVID-19 before kicking the bucket?
Plus, there are long term issues to deal with - some that get this never fully recover.
We can find sad cases no matter which way we look at the situation and the long-term mortality rates are not limited to the damage done solely by the virus, but from the indirect impacts mentioned above, for which I provided numbers for consideration. There's a
bigger picture, that has nothing to do with the virus and face masks or physical distancing. It also warns of
many deaths.
Anyway, nobody who watches this thread can do anything about the problem anyway, even if they see what I'm saying. Just abide by the lockdown, don't gather in close groups, trade your freedom for a plan that's destroying millions of peoples lives, and be happy with the government collecting millions of dollars in germaphobe fines from perfectly healthy people who are enjoying each other's company. So long as that's all happening we've got nothing to worry about. It's the "smart" plan
.
I've got to get off this subject now. It's bad enough dealing with it out there. I've got more songs to record and a ton of housework to do. Also gotta find a guest for tomorrow. The one we had lined-up bailed for health reasons.