7 month-old story, by the way.
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That doesn't change the facts about it, and I don't see any articles saying that the disruptions have been eliminated. Here's a story published Feb 1, 2021
The vaccine program in India
"According to WHO, approximately 80 million children under the age of one are potentially at risk for developing a vaccine-preventable illness. This is because they are living in countries where routine immunization services have been disrupted by the pandemic."
Routine vaccinations in India disrupted by the COVID-19 pandemic
A team of researchers studied the disruptions in the vaccinations across India during the current pandemic.
www.news-medical.net
More correctly it should say: "routine immunization services have been disrupted by the pandemic management that includes lockdowns and other measures that interfere with vaccination programs."
The "pandemic" isn't the cause. It's the management of the pandemic.
Understood.
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I wish more people did. Good discussion.
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YouTube removes Ohio committee video, citing misinformation
YouTube removes Ohio committee video, citing misinformation
YouTube removes Ohio committee video, citing misinformation
Legislative testimony made in support of a GOP-backed effort to limit public health orders made by Ohio’s governor was removed from YouTube after the service deemed it contained COVID-19 misinformation
The problem here is that so far as I can tell, nobody had said that people under the age of 19 can't transmit the SARS-C0V-2 virus, which was the reason cited for taking down the video, under a YouTube policy created specifically for COVID-19 misinformation, and we don't get to see the video that was posted, because it was removed.
Apparently a claim was also made that nobody under 19 had died in the state, and that the claim had been "debunked by "state data". But we have not seen that "data". Actual "deaths with" as opposed to "deaths from" have been misreported throughout the pandemic. In addition, the criteria by which "deaths with" as opposed to "deaths from" are counted doesn't appear consistent across borders.
This has all been exposed in previous posts on this thread. Here in Calgary we got a report that 6 people had died from COVID-19 in one day, and the next day it was reduced to 1 because of these issues. So how much fact checking does Google do to verify the "state data"? How much of the "state data" is misinformation? We don't know for sure because instead of spending time figuring that out, they're banning public testimony!
Let's not get into what a platform should have the right to censor and not censor. That's beside the point. Simply because someone has the "right" to do something doesn't mean they're not being unfair or biased. Assuming this was a public hearing made by elected representatives, the public should be allowed to hear what their representatives are saying, and make up their own minds about it.
Long and short is that the claim that people under 19 do not get COVID-19 or get seriously sick is false. Period. Consult the stats on all this stuff from the U.S. CDC.
As to the right to censor, YouTube is not a public agency, but a private service, and thus can set its own regulations as to managing content. That applies to us too.
As to the right to censor, YouTube is not a public agency, but a private service, and thus can set its own regulations as to managing content. That applies to us too.
And:
www.hopkinsmedicine.org
Coronavirus and COVID-19: Younger Adults Are at Risk, Too
Early reports indicated that young people were more likely to have milder cases of the disease. But that view may be changing.
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That's not the same reason as cited by YouTube, so it doesn't apply to this situation. YouTube cited "transmission" not vulnerability. And again whether or not YouTube has the right is beside the point. The point is fair-mindedness and like I was saying, I don't see them investigating the "State's claims" to see if they're in error, and errors have been made in many states ( as shown in other posts ).
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The problem with citing "risk" is that "risk" is something we all deal with on a daily basis, and there are many "risks" more deadly than the risk that COVID-19 is to 19 year olds, that affect a wider demographic ( like cigarette smoking ). So young people being "at risk" is a complete red herring when it comes to COVID-19 management policies that bureaucrats arbitrarily apply to everyone. The targeted approach makes much more sense.And:
Coronavirus and COVID-19: Younger Adults Are at Risk, Too
Early reports indicated that young people were more likely to have milder cases of the disease. But that view may be changing.
Let's also not confuse "cases" with "deaths from". Every day there are new "cases", a number of which are ruled out later ( see the PCR testing post ), and even when a case is determined to be a genuine positive, it's rare for young people to require hospitalization unless they have some preexisting condition that raises their risk factor significantly.
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Sure, if you isolate young people from older people. Remember that they can still infect others more vulnerable even if they have little or no symptoms.
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And that is why places where there are high concentrations of high-risk people, such as clinics, hospitals, retirement homes, and long-term care facilities typically already had enhanced infection control equipment and protocols prior to the pandemic. The problem was that they were often lax about maintaining and practicing them. Why because of that should the lives and livelihoods of millions of perfectly healthy people be destroyed?
Obviously a lot of people were infected who do not fit into those categories.
We all have to learn to live with ambiguity (which we should all have learned to do in the planetary world we live in today), and particularly so given the plain fact that scientists attempting to develop vaccines and recommend other safety measures against the pandemic are working to a considerable degree in the dark. I mean dealing with unpredictables. The following article provides a good amount of useful insight:
Scientists, including Fauci, are facing off over whether to delay 2nd vaccine doses. Here's why the risk of more mutations from delaying shots may ultimately be worth it.
Scientists, including Fauci, are facing off over whether to delay 2nd vaccine doses. Here's why the risk of more mutations from delaying shots may ultimately be worth it.
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Obviously yes, however case numbers aren't the problem. Hospitalizations are, and after a year, how many new hospitals have been built to deal with this? They built one in China in 10 days. So where's the real problem? It's with governments bound, bent, and determined not to improve the healthcare system, no matter how much it costs.
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And unless it's some sort of artform, how we live with ambiguity should be to to diminish it as much as possible rather than simply accept that we can't do better.
The article says that about 2.4 million deaths have been from COVID 19 have been reported. Those number are dubious, but let's just assume for the sake of argument that they're true. That means that according to 2017 statistics, COVID deaths have not yet surpassed the number of deaths from dementia, and haven't come anywhere close to the numbers for cancers and cardiovascular diseases.
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You are speaking of additional deaths, adding to the total. Already, the average lifespan in the U.S. is down one year as a result; it's far worse for some minorities.
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The average lifespan has already been reduced more than that as a result of the school closures. Maybe you missed that post.
Study Claims Covid-19 School Closures Took Millions Of Years Off Life Expectancy
While we have yet to know the long term impact of students being sent home just weeks after being back at school, investigators based at The University of Washington and UCLA published some concerning data in this month’s JAMA.
www.forbes.com
That doesn't even begin to touch the lives lost as a result of other compromises in healthcare due to pandemic management. As I and the others far more well educated than me keep saying, the cost of lives from pandemic management may very-well far outweigh those from the virus alone, and in many cases those people may have never even been infected and would today still be living productive lives. Why is there so little focus on them?
Don't miss this:
"…the modeling methods are subject to speculation, not necessarily real outcomes. Only time (decades) will tell whether or not these projections carry any validity."
"…the modeling methods are subject to speculation, not necessarily real outcomes. Only time (decades) will tell whether or not these projections carry any validity."
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The same could be said for the life expectancy estimates you cite as well as for the virus. The only difference is that those dying now as collateral damage aren't getting the same attention, even when their numbers have in some places exceeded the deaths by COVID-19. Remember the article I posted about suicides in Japan? The overdoses in BC? And other real numbers have climbed as a result of the lack of care for other medical issues. These aren't just some far-off abstract model. They are real people too.
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Speaking of modelling. Here's a fairly good peer reviewed paper dealing with the outbreak in the UK.
www.bmj.com
Notice in the graph below how it proves what I've been trying to get across already several times when it comes to the concept of "flattening the curve" The "Do nothing" approach ( which was never advocated by the GBD ) clearly shows that by now the whole thing would be over with only a relatively marginal and temporary excess load on the healthcare system and no "second wave".
Effect of school closures on mortality from coronavirus disease 2019: old and new predictions
Objective To replicate and analyse the information available to UK policymakers when the lockdown decision was taken in March 2020 in the United Kingdom. Design Independent calculations using the CovidSim code, which implements Imperial College London’s individual based model, with data...
Notice in the graph below how it proves what I've been trying to get across already several times when it comes to the concept of "flattening the curve" The "Do nothing" approach ( which was never advocated by the GBD ) clearly shows that by now the whole thing would be over with only a relatively marginal and temporary excess load on the healthcare system and no "second wave".
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