December 13, 2015 — Walter Bosley

[Gene Steinberg]

The San Bernadino, CA shootings and synchronicity, breakaway civilizations, deros, teros, the discussion was, as usual, wide-ranging when we brought Walter Bosley aboard for an episode.

We also talk about the implications of all this and more in this week's episode of After The Paracast, an exclusive feature of The Paracast+. For more information about our premium service, please go to: Introducing The Paracast+ | The Paracast — The Gold Standard of Paranormal Radio

 

[storge]

Could someone post the link to the youtube Walter made and mentioned?

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Walter?

 

[Wade]

Haven't gotten that far in podcast yet but was it this one?

 

[wwkirk]

Walter was a good guest. But I still have difficulty accepting the breakaway civilization hypothesis, especially the idea that they have gone to Mars.

 

[banshee]

The San Bernadino, CA shootings and synchronicity, breakaway civilizations, deros, teros, the discussion was, as usual, wide-ranging when we brought Walter Bosley aboard for an episode.

We also talk about the implications of all this and more in this week's episode of After The Paracast, an exclusive feature of The Paracast+. For more information about our premium service, please go to: Introducing The Paracast+ | The Paracast — The Gold Standard of Paranormal Radio

Seriously Gene, are you really going to compare one lunatic shooter that claims he is a Christian, with an entire Jahadi movement, as equal?

 

[Gene Steinberg]

There is an entire movement of white supremacists, and other extreme people who claim to be Christian, who are engaged in questionable activities of one sort or another. Remember that, other than 9/11, forgetting conventional crimes, about the same number of people were killed in mass shootings by Christians as were killed by Muslims in the U.S.

It also appears that the perpetrators of the San Bernardino massacre were self-radicalized and were not under the direct control of any particular terrorist organization.

 

[Walter Bosley]

Haven't gotten that far in podcast yet but was it this one?

 

[Walter Bosley]

Yes, if a Christian shooter commits an atrocity to make a political statement, that is terrorism by definition. Regarding the self-radicalization of the San Bernardino shooters, it still qualifies as radical Muslim jihadist terrorism whether the big group specifically directed it or not. San Bernardino was the sort of terrorist attack that some do not want to recognize as such (due to purely political and ideological reasons), defined by everything about it, speaking as someone who used to investigate and collect intelligence on terrorists and terrorist organizations worldwide. At present, criminal white supremacist a-holes haven't committed the level of terrorism that Islamic jihadists have. Nowhere near it, since Adolf Hitler, whose party/regime was actually responsible for modern Islamic jihad against the West. So perhaps by extension Gene has a point, in a thin way. My view is that whoever might be behind the scenes making these attacks happen, if you believe that theory (and I do in the case of 9/11), the Muslim morons willing to play their role, duped or not, are still a-holes deserving of swift justice.

 

[banshee]

There is an entire movement of white supremacists, and other extreme people who claim to be Christian, who are engaged in questionable activities of one sort or another. Remember that, other than 9/11, forgetting conventional crimes, about the same number of people were killed in mass shootings by Christians as were killed by Muslims in the U.S.
It also appears that the perpetrators of the San Bernardino massacre were self-radicalized and were not under the direct control of any particular terrorist organization.

How convenient to just omit 9/11 from your calculation. In any event, Christians, as an organized religious group have not declare any jihad, and are not causing chaos throughout 1/3 of the planet, as has ISIS. Temporarily banning Muslims from entering the US is not without precedence. Carter barred Iranians. Here’s What Jimmy Carter Did About Muslim Immigration

 

[Gene Steinberg]

And Muslims, as a religion, have not declared war. It's all about a small group of terrorists, so why ban 1.5 billion people? Carter may have banned Iranians, but he was banning people from a single country, not those representing an entire religion, and the reason was pretty obvious don't you think.

If we add 9/11, let's include Oklahoma City, etc. and other acts of terror by non-Muslims.

 

[banshee]

And Muslims, as a religion, have not declared war. It's all about a small group of terrorists, so why ban 1.5 billion people? Carter may have banned Iranians, but he was banning people from a single country, not those representing an entire religion, and the reason was pretty obvious don't you think.

If we add 9/11, let's include Oklahoma City, etc. and other acts of terror by non-Muslims.

In case you haven't noticed Gene, extremist Muslims c

And Muslims, as a religion, have not declared war. It's all about a small group of terrorists, so why ban 1.5 billion people? Carter may have banned Iranians, but he was banning people from a single country, not those representing an entire religion, and the reason was pretty obvious don't you think.

If we add 9/11, let's include Oklahoma City, etc. and other acts of terror by non-Muslims.

In case you haven't noticed Gene, Islamic extremest can come from Brussels, so banning them from one country would not work. How can you defend members of a religious group, that routinely stone people, chop off heads and treat woman more tyrannically than in the dark ages? For such a small group, as you say they are, they are sure raising a lot of hell around the world.

 

[banshee]

And Muslims, as a religion, have not declared war. It's all about a small group of terrorists, so why ban 1.5 billion people? Carter may have banned Iranians, but he was banning people from a single country, not those representing an entire religion, and the reason was pretty obvious don't you think.

If we add 9/11, let's include Oklahoma City, etc. and other acts of terror by non-Muslims.

Religious violence is largely endemic to Islam. In Muslim opinion polls. World Public Opinion:
61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
Sobering statistics.

 

[Mr. Fibuli]

I look forward to Sunday morning every week.
As far as the emergent discussionI agree with Gene, it's knee jerk reaction.
Im suspicious of statistics in the first place, but the public opinion might not be fully accurate and they are polls of impoverished, brainwashed, uneducated people.
If we disallow people based on their cultural religion, what then? What should America do with Muslims who are natural born American citizens?
I've heard commentary go so far as to say that we shouldn't allow anyone in the US who comes from that region, because they, as people who come from a Muslim country, may be radical terrorists.
They aren't they. People from the Middle East are people. There are shit people everywhere. I for one think anyone who hurts others or helps with killing and destruction should be dealt with. I'm not the wise person to say what the solution is.
I'm just not willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. As I don't identify with any religions it's easy.

 

[Mr. Fibuli]

Religious violence is largely endemic to Islam. In Muslim opinion polls. World Public Opinion:
61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
Sobering statistics.

I counter that it's (religious violence) endemic largely due to human tendency toward mob mentality, brainwashing, and propagandized skewed news/education

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Muslim opinion polls? Methodology, reference? Polls can be made to prove anything unless scientifically devised. More to the point, banning Muslims, or concentrating on them will only empower ISIS. It will be used as a recruiting tool. Should we allow a bunch of idiot politicians play into the hands of the enemy? That already happened during the Iraq War, where even Ben Laden goaded us into a needless war.

 

[DaveM]

You want to allow people into this country who do not want to assimilate with the population. They want to live by Sharia law. There aren't enough jobs for American citizens as is and you want to bring in millions more refugees into the country?? Here are a few quotes from the Koran. Are people who believe in this who you want as neighbors and co-workers?

“Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191

“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123

“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5

“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85

“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.”... Koran 9:30

“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33

“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19

“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65

“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28

“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12

 

[banshee]

What has fostered this rationalization is 1. endemic in the Muslim faith. Islam as historically spread itself through violent conquest (research it if you don't believe me. 2. Bombing and invasions have naturally created enemies.
You stated it appeared that the San Bernardino attackers were "self radicalised"? Well aren't they all? Who can radicalise you, except yourself?
However, she did study at Al-Huda, a conservative religious school in Pakistan, which urges women to cover their faces. Is now known to have been radical before she met her husband. “They are trained to be activists and reformers, bringing people back to what they call the ‘real’ Islam, true and pure,” said Faiza Mushtaq, an assistant professor of sociology at the Institute of Business Administration in Karachi, whose Ph.D. study focused on Al-Huda."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/08/u...atedCoverage&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article
Borders need to be secured and protected and I will vote for a candidate that says they will do it. If they will or not, remains to be seen. You need borders for a country just like you need a door for your house. The stronger the better.

 

[Mr. Fibuli]

You want to allow people into this country who do not want to assimilate with the population. They want to live by Sharia law. There aren't enough jobs for American citizens as is and you want to bring in millions more refugees into the country?? Here are a few quotes from the Koran. Are people who believe in this who you want as neighbors and co-workers?

“Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191

“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123

“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5

“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85

“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.”... Koran 9:30

“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33

“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19

“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65

“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28

“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12

I would say that there are people in that religion who do want to assimilate and have the reason to NOT agree with those quotes.
We could point out the negatives in any aspect of reality and draw a negative conclusion. People who just want to get along and be friends with others. The ones who want to feel connection with their ethnic heritage but who believe in peace and not in the crazy BS and are horrified by violence.
I'm not ignorant of the ignorant bigoted people who don't kill but condone hatred and killing. That's not who I'm talking about in the previous paragraph.

 

[DaveM]

I would say that there are people in that religion who do want to assimilate and have the reason to NOT agree with those quotes.
We could point out the negatives in any aspect of reality and draw a negative conclusion. People who just want to get along and be friends with others. The ones who want to feel connection with their ethnic heritage but who believe in peace and not in the crazy BS and are horrified by violence.
I'm not ignorant of the ignorant bigoted people who don't kill but condone hatred and killing. That's not who I'm talking about in the previous paragraph.

I'm sorry, I don't recognize the fairy tale world you describe. Our borders are presently open to whoever wants to enter our country. This countries leaders either condone this or the don't care. Basically any person who wants to do harm can walk in.

I think you might find that there are many citizens fed up with this type of thinking and want a change. Instead of rounding up these terrorist types our president wants to take away firearms from law abiding citizens. There's trouble a brewing.