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Dr. Steven Greer --> Here we go ...

I applaud your efforts,Mr.Vaeni!!

You know...you bring joy too dozens if not hundreds of people who haven't been able to laugh since Bob Sagets "Full House" was cancelled...

I'm with you - give the people what they want - not what they need.

I've never really understood the people who enjoy guys like Bill Hicks or Bill Maher,anyway.These people seems to have bought into the fairytale that life's important!!

54 channels with American Gladiators - Freedom Fries - That's all I need -
 
Dr. Steven Greer --> Here we go ...

I applaud your efforts,Mr.Vaeni!!

You know...you bring joy too dozens if not hundreds of people who haven't been able to laugh since Bob Sagets "Full House" was cancelled...

I'm with you - give the people what they want - not what they need.

I've never really understood the people who enjoy guys like Bill Hicks or Bill Maher,anyway.These people seems to have bought into the fairytale that life's important!!

54 channels with American Gladiators - Freedom Fries - That's all I need -

Clearly that is all you need since you're the resident Greer defender. But that isn't really it. "Culture of Contact." It's right there in the title: CULTURE. So we can attend to all facets of this thing including hoaxers, contactees, and The Great Gazoo if we want. However, that doesn't mean we would. (Or if we did it would have to be in a context we're comfortable with--Certainly not, "Here's He Who Shall Not Be Named: listen to his nonsense unchallenged and then YOU decide." No thanks.)

But I don't see the connection you're making between Birnes, Bassett, and Greer. You're taking two people you apparently don't like and saying they are the same as a known balls-to-the-wall huxter. That's bad math.

Also bad math?--Thinking the disclosure message is "what they need." But then I guess that goes with the whole Greer (bowel) movement you blindly embrace.
 
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Here's your buddy now. The good doctor wants your cash AGAIN:

Dear Friends,

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Now, the complete body of Stan Meyer’s work has surfaced again including notebooks, drawings, his Water Fuel Cell-powered vehicle, and other unique experimental designs! For many months, The Orion Project has been working to acquire Stan’s legacy materials so we can solve the energy crisis that is draining this country... and the world. In January, 2008 Dr. Ted Loder, our Chief Technology Officer, personally reviewed all materials on hand. He found an extensive collection of Stan’s research journals and experimental equipment, much of which has never been known to the public.

Just recently we discovered this entire collection of Meyer’s work will offered for bid to interested parties effective this Saturday, August 16th! The Orion Project is certainly one of the serious bidders.

We expect there will be very high interest in this bidding process for Stan’s materials. If we succeed in winning this bid, it opens the door to our recreating Stan’s remarkable technology. Please help us succeed in this extraordinary opportunity. While TOP is a contender in the process, the board is re-evaluating exactly what bid we will put forth. There is no guarantee that we will be awarded the materials. However, the more money we have available, the stronger bid we are able to make.

If Stan Myer's work is obtained by another party who lacks the strategic contacts and leadership of TOP, it most likely will never be brought out to the public. They may not have the considerable technical resources to recreate the working system. Furthermore, they likely lack the critical strategic understanding of how to bring such a controversial technology out to a global commercial market in the face of extreme opposition by entrenched energy giants. Lacking either of these fundamentals skills will result in Stan’s work being lost and never realizing its enormous benefits to society.

The Orion Project is uniquely able to recreate this technology and fulfill the promise of Stan’s life work, making free, non-polluting, and sustainable energy available and freeing our country from its dependence of foreign oil. TOP has direct access to some of the most experienced and talented researchers and inventors in this realm of water-fuel research. If we succeed in obtaining his materials, it will still require a great deal of work by the brilliant scientists we’ve identified to reproduce and develop the technology since the systems have not been run in over a decade.

If just 5,000 people donate $100 each, it will give us a nominal starting budget of $500,000 allowing us to:

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PLEASE DONATE NOW and help us succeed with this once in a lifetime opportunity to completely transform the doomed energy paradigm before us – replacing dwindling and polluting fossil fuel with abundant clean fuel. It is a gift to yourself and to all mankind. Stan Meyer started with a dream – we are committed to make his dream a reality!

We appreciate your support,

P.S. You can see an introductory article on our website about Hydroxy Gas Technology. If you’d care to see a more detailed technical brief written by Stanley himself, please see the research paper on our website: Stanley A. Meyer, 1995. Water Fuel Cell - Technical Brief.
 
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Greer is to UFOlogy as Axl Rose is to rock music?

Hear me out (although I have a nasty cold so brain is a bit foggyand this may make absolutely no sense!).

Greer came storming out of the gate with the DP.
Axl Rose came storming out of the gate with Appetite for Destruction.

Greer started losing fans when he started opening his mouth and saying what he really thought.
Axl Rose started losing fans when he started opening his mouth and saying what he really thought (Remember that song 'One in Million', just Google it!)

Looking back on Greer, the Disclosure Project while at the time seemed totally ground breaking, has some serious flaw to it (insert Cliff Stone vs. Bob Salas example)
Looking back at the Use Your Illusions Albums, while at the time they seemed totally ground breaking, there are some serious flaws to them (insert comment about Axl's long over done production including totally random voice overs and 10 minute epic balladry)

Greer has made fantastic claims about a revolutionary new project he is working on which requires a lot of funding, yet after 10 years, despite repeatedly saying the project was nearly finished, he has yet to come out with anything (free energy device).
Axl has made fantastic claims about a revolutionary new project he is working which requires a lot of funding, yet after 10 years, despite repeatedly saying the project was nearly finished, he has yet to come out with anything (the Chinese Democracy album).

Greer seems to be a case study of an egomaniac based on his behavior and words.
Axl seems to be a case study of an egomaniac based on his behavior and words.

Greer seems to surround himself with a bunch of yes-men believers.
Axl seems to surround himself with a bunch of yes-men believers.


WHAT IS THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM YOU ASK?

Axl has never claimed he levitated!!! (Cue Neil Pert drum solo)
 
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"It's right there in the title: CULTURE. So we can attend to all facets of this thing including hoaxers, contactees, and The Great Gazoo if we want. However, that doesn't mean we would."quote:valiens

So you don't really mind contributing to all the noise that's already out there - Is basically what you're saying ?


I don't really see myself as a big Greer defender - but if you say so - why fight it.

I think he's done some good things and some absolutely moronic things over the years.If that qualifies me as a Greer defender,then so be it...

I'm open too the possibillity that I'm all wrong - just as I'm open too the
opposite.:)
 
Dr. Steven Greer --> Here we go ...

"It's right there in the title: CULTURE. So we can attend to all facets of this thing including hoaxers, contactees, and The Great Gazoo if we want. However, that doesn't mean we would."quote:valiens

So you don't really mind contributing to all the noise that's already out there - Is basically what you're saying ?

No. If I were saying that I WOULD let people like HWSNBN speak (number one) and speak unchallenged (number two.)

But I wouldn't mind, for instance, doing an overview of old contactee cases couched in various historical/psychological perspectives. And I wouldn't mind having a "Hall of Hoaxes" as part of an art show or something like that. If you consider that adding more noise, so be it.
 
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No. If I were saying that I WOULD let people like HWSNBN speak (number one) and speak unchallenged (number two.)

That's why I liked the "Gene & Dave vs. Greer" interview so much...
He needs too be challenged - I don't dispute that!

They could have spared us the childish rant at the end - but o.k...


I'm still interested in the CE-5 reports from the early 90's,though,and do give them some credibillity....

If it's all lies,you would expect one or more of the "witnesses" too eventually spill the beans...As far as I know,none have...::)

Maybe it's time too give Annick Nevejan,Sandra Small,Jeff Baker,Chris Mansell,Joseph Burkes,Maria Ward,Barbie J. Taylor a call :question::D
 
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I don't care what he's telling the truth about. I care what he's lying about. I'm sure he's got daughters, is a doctor, saw some UFOs. I'm sure he met with politicians behind closed doors and so on. There is some meat there but it's been poisoned and poisoned meat is no longer food, it's poison.
 
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I don't care what he's telling the truth about. I care what he's lying about. I'm sure he's got daughters, is a doctor, saw some UFOs. I'm sure he met with politicians behind closed doors and so on. There is some meat there but it's been poisoned and poisoned meat is no longer food, it's poison.

I totally agree...

See..we're like two peas in a pod,after all..:)

I still don't like your buddy,Hershel Krustofski,though...
 
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Here's a short clip of the infamous "CSETI Gulf Breeze Footage"...

I believe the sighting was filmed from 5 different locations,and allegedly witnessed by over 50 people.The original film lasts between 12 and 15 minutes:





I have an old VHS video as well,which shows a more spectacular sighting in Mexico '94...
 
Dr. Steven Greer --> Here we go ...

Here's a short clip of the infamous "Gulf Breeze Footage"...

I believe the sighting was filmed from 5 different locations,and allegedly witnessed by over 50 people.The original film lasts between 12 and 15 minutes:





I have an old VHS video as well,which shows a more spectacular sighting in Mexico '94...
Is there much happening with ufos in Mexico today"do you have any idea about that:question:
 
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I believe the sighting was filmed from 5 different locations,and allegedly witnessed by over 50 people.

Once again leading to the conclusion that Greer was in the right place at the right time this time.
 
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http://www.anandainfo.com/cult_leaders.html

Should he be included in this list?
1.The Bab (1819-1850)
2.
Guy Ballard (1878-1939)
3.
Charles Fillmore (1854-1948)
4.
Joseph Smith (1805-1844)
5.
Sun Myung Moon (1920- )
6.
David Keresh (1959-1993)
7.
Victor Paul Wierwille (1917 -1985)
8.
L. Ron Hubbard (1911-1986)
9.
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Jim Jones [/FONT](1931 –1978)
10. Charles Manson (1934- )
11. Marshall Applewhite (1931 -1997)

If nothing else., he's doing a damn fine job of poisoning the waters for all the serious researchers.
 
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The best con artist IMO have some abilities as well. Greer MAY? have abilities but that doesn't mean he is legit. He is SOO obviously full of crap.
 
Dr. Steven Greer --> Here we go ...

http://www.anandainfo.com/cult_leaders.html

Should he be included in this list?
1.The Bab (1819-1850)
2.
Guy Ballard (1878-1939)
3.
Charles Fillmore (1854-1948)
4.
Joseph Smith (1805-1844)
5.
Sun Myung Moon (1920- )
6.
David Keresh (1959-1993)
7.
Victor Paul Wierwille (1917 -1985)
8.
L. Ron Hubbard (1911-1986)
9.
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Jim Jones [/FONT](1931 –1978)
10. Charles Manson (1934- )
11. Marshall Applewhite (1931 -1997)

If nothing else., he's doing a damn fine job of poisoning the waters for all the serious researchers.

Joseph Smith wasn't a cult leader. There is a HUGE difference between someone like Jim Jones and Joseph Smith. Starting a religion and starting a cult are two different things. In religion you have a choice (Well Western religions anyways) and in cults the choices are made for you.
 
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