February 14, 2016 — Whitley Strieber

[SheaOlmsford]

I think in a recent post, Strieber claimed his dead wife Anne predicted Trump's victory - after she was dead, of course.

Well, assuming we survive death in some form, I hope I have better options than focusing on American politics and feeding Whitley Strieber banal questions to ask his guests on DREAMLAND, or giving us mundane Hallmark Card sentiments like "Be Loving".

 

[kanakaris]

There's a pretty powerful expose of Strieber's work at this site:

strieberthekey.com

A giant, scholarly paper on Strieber's shenanigans. Not written by a clueless 'debunker', but someone who's followed Strieber for years.

Wow !
What a fraud.
Case closed.
Who is the writer ?

 

[Linda Moulton Doty]

Anyone who still frequents this ghost town, I wanted to share large document I compiled out of various indepth investigations into Whitley Strieber and his claims. Illustrated by yours truly.

Analysis of Whitley Strieber Part 1 & 2.pdf

I'd be careful with that. You've got the header there on top of all the essays but it's only from the first one.

 

[SheaOlmsford]

I'd be careful with that. You've got the header there on top of all the essays but it's only from the first one.

I don't think putting articles together in a PDF file and sharing it on a little forum like this is going to result in a lawsuit, do you? All of this information is freely available on the internet. I just compiled it into one file. I guess I could redo it to have a title "LOTS OF CRAP ABOUT WHITLEY STRIEBER". Instead, I simply deleted the post entirely. Happy now?

 

[Linda Moulton Doty]

I don't think putting articles together in a PDF file and sharing it on a little forum like this is going to result in a lawsuit, do you? All of this information is freely available on the internet. I just compiled it into one file. I guess I could redo it to have a title "LOTS OF CRAP ABOUT WHITLEY STRIEBER". Instead, I simply deleted the post entirely. Happy now?

My comment was only because reading it you get confused.

 

[Trevor Wozny]

In regards to Streiber, how can people get past that fact that he is a science fiction writer? He writes science fiction exactly that matches his claims to be true. I know I have read all his stuff. That above all else is a full stop for me. IMHO. If there is some way to get past that logically I would love to know. Peace.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Kevin D. Randle writes sci-fi too. Is that a reason not to take his factual material seriously?

 

[marduk]

One could argue - as Strieber once did - that the visitors selected him because of his ability to articulate the experience. This is something he does almost uniquely well in Communion.

Of course, he has also argued that his interest in Sci Fi and horror is a result of his visitor experiences.

To be fair, one could argue that perhaps fiction authors are more imaginative than the average human, which may be indicative of being more prone to having difficulty separating fantasy from reality.

However, I don't see abduction statistics that say that fiction authors have a higher than normal distribution than expected.

Plus, as a kid that wrote some Sci Fi himself, I'd call bullshit on that scenario.

Besides, the guy could have probably made far more money writing sci fi and horror than anything that followed Communion.

 

[Linda Moulton Doty]

Strieber definitely has a unique imagination. If you read that paper and look for the Whitman shooting info, you'll see it.

 

[marduk]

Strieber is fully in my grey basket. I think Communion happened, and then he went of the deep and and who the hell knows what happened?

I mean, other people around him have claimed to witness stuff, too.

But then he changes his story so much that it's hard to tell.

I do like one thing he says though. Live in the question. That's very good advice.

 

[Linda Moulton Doty]

Strieber is fully in my grey basket. I think Communion happened, and then he went of the deep and and who the hell knows what happened?

I mean, other people around him have claimed to witness stuff, too.

But then he changes his story so much that it's hard to tell.

I do like one thing he says though. Live in the question. That's very good advice.

Well, he's in my waste bin now. It doesn't matter whether he had real experiences at his cabin or not. A full 80% of everything else he's said has turned out to be B.S.

 

[marduk]

Well, he's in my waste bin now. It doesn't matter whether he had real experiences at his cabin or not. A full 80% of everything else he's said has turned out to be B.S.

Like the vast majority of major names in this field. How many arguments have we had on this forum over this guy vs that other guy?

Hell, nobody's got evidence of anything. Even the stuff that's hard to find explanations for means nothing -- just because we can't find an explanation doesn't mean it's paranormal. It means it's unexplained.

I'd be fully a skeptic calling BS on everything I hear on the Paracast or read on these forums...

If I hadn't had experiences that don't let me do that.

All we have is conjecture.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

Well, I can one up Strieber in one regard. As mentioned several times on the show, I had my first bonafide UFO sighting (multiple witnessed) while hanging out on the New Paltz University football field, September 21, 1979—exactly a year BEFORE he started having his visitations at his New Paltz cabin—located a scant few miles away from the school. Does this fact support his claim? I dunno, but it is an interesting coincidence to say the least.

 

[Linda Moulton Doty]

Like the vast majority of major names in this field. How many arguments have we had on this forum over this guy vs that other guy?

Hell, nobody's got evidence of anything. Even the stuff that's hard to find explanations for means nothing -- just because we can't find an explanation doesn't mean it's paranormal. It means it's unexplained.

I'd be fully a skeptic calling BS on everything I hear on the Paracast or read on these forums...

If I hadn't had experiences that don't let me do that.

All we have is conjecture.

There's a difference between evidence and proof. I'd say, sure, there's no conclusive proof of anything, not of the sort that would end debate. But there's a lot of evidence - and almost all of it either ambiguous or inconclusive.

Instead of swapping a lot of gut feelings on Strieber, or any of these people, it's important to demonstrate as far as possible what seems to be true.

 

[marduk]

There's a difference between evidence and proof. I'd say, sure, there's no conclusive proof of anything, not of the sort that would end debate. But there's a lot of evidence - and almost all of it either ambiguous or inconclusive.

Instead of swapping a lot of gut feelings on Strieber, or any of these people, it's important to demonstrate as far as possible what seems to be true.

Sometimes all you have is gut feel.

I read Communion and I feel exactly what I felt during my couple visitation experiences. Exactly.

Or Travis Walton. I think he's legit. Gut feel.

 

[ChrisJohnsen]

I share the sentiments of @Linda Moulton Doty that it's extremely hard to take Whitley Strieber seriously, given the tremendous amount of dubious or demonstrably fraudulent claims he's made since his book Communion came out. I believed his Communion experiences were real for decades, but now, looking back through the 30 year prism of fantastical bullshit, it throws serious shade over his original claimed traumatic encounters with alien beings, which saddens me because I read Communion when it first came out in the mid-80s and it is exclusively responsible for getting me interested in this whole crazy phenomenon in the first place.

I also agree with @marduk that nobody has definitive proof of anything, it's ultimately all speculation, quasi-educated guessing and circumstantial evidence based on people's personal experiences that they choose to share. For me, personal experiences shared by credible individuals are the strongest "evidence" in my book. Chris O'Brien sharing his high strange stories are, to me, credible evidence. I was able to talk to him myself about one of his childhood experiences on the show in 2015. To this day I still wish he would track down the psychiatrist he saw who he says recorded his sessions. How amazing would it be to hear a little "Chris" (not his name back then) describe a strange experience with 2-dimensional beings carrying lighted wands? Former Paracast co-host David Biedny shared an amazing encounter when he was a child in South America and frequent forum participant and show guest, Burnt State, has shared a range of UFO encounters and high strange events that were fascinating. And these are just people I "know" (using the term loosely) and trust, based on my own internal bullshit meter. I'm not even including the numerous events I've heard described by witnesses and experiencers on other podcast and radio shows.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Just a point of order; Biedny and his brother talked of seeing a huge cigar-shaped object when they were living in Venezuela. It happened when they were preteens (David age 11, Barry age 9 as I recall). But the sole newspaper story about the event, as quoted here, reported something about lights in the sky seen by a large number of people. I suppose it's possible the Biedny brothers' memories of the events grew over the years as they continued to talk about it.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

... Chris O'Brien sharing his high strange stories are, to me, credible evidence. I was able to talk to him myself about one of his childhood experiences on the show in 2015. To this day I still wish he would track down the psychiatrist he saw who he says recorded his sessions. How amazing would it be to hear a little "Chris" (not his name back then) describe a strange experience with 2-dimensional beings carrying lighted wands? ... .

Dr. Ivar Birkland, father of Dr. "Buzzy" Birkland—orthopedic surgeon for the USA Olympic Ski Team (mid 1960s). I remember being told that Ivar was "the first credentialed hypnotherapist in the country." Do some research and I'd be interested in what you establish and confirm...

 

[George Wingfield]

Linda Moulton Doty ????

Well, holy crap …. ! I’ve been away for a while but what on earth is all this about??? First of all, before I say anything about the science fiction fantasy writer Whitley Strieber, I’d like to ask who is this “Linda Moulton Doty”??


Back in 1983 at Kirtland AFB, NM, my friend Linda Moulton Howe went to see arch liar and disinformation specialist AFOSI man Richard Doty who fed her all sorts of crap about Roswell, little aliens found by the US military both dead and alive, underground bases, human abductions by the aliens, government cover-up, cattle mutilations and more. We can only guess at the dynamic between Linda and arch-deceiver Doty but I’ve absolutely no reason to think they ever got married! They both live in New Mexico but I hardly think they are an item.


I listened to a presentation by Linda last week at the Ozark Mountain UFO Conference in Eureka Springs, AR, and she gave yet another virtuoso performance setting out her vision of the strange world of UFOs and aliens that we all supposedly inhabit. For those who are fresh to these fantasies it should be pointed out that Linda is a performance artist and --if they are looking for truth and scientific fact-- they really should look elsewhere.


Coincidentally, another media performance artist who is in the news right now is Alex Jones who claims that the Sandy Hook school massacre was a complete hoax perpetrated by the NSA, the CIA, the FBI or other such sinister forces within the US government. Likewise 9/11 --which Jones claims was an inside job. Such ridiculous conspiracy theories appear to be the bread and butter of performance artists like Alex Jones and Linda Howe. Whether or not they actually believe any of the fantasies and conspiracy theories which they dish up is totally irrelevant. If you are looking for truth go and look elsewhere!

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

...it should be pointed out that Linda is a performance artist and --if they are looking for truth and scientific fact... If you are looking for truth go and look elsewhere!

Truth? Linda? Yeah, how ironic that her new Gaiam TV show is called "Truth Hunter," yeah, OK, uh-huh, that's a bit beyond ironic, wouldn't you say??? lol