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February 26, 2012 — Dr. Barry Taff

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I not saying that "hits" don't happen or that psychic phenomena doesn't exist. I'm saying it has not revealed itself to have any real practical application. Am I wrong?

It's a curiosity at best. If there was something that could be harnessed and utilized it would have already happened. Instead, we have a cottage industry that for other than jargon seems indistinguishable from old-time psychics.
 
Also, I guess I'm saying that no matter what these examples claim to be showing me, I have to keep in mind that they are promotional tools of someone selling remote viewing services among other things.
 
I think all that can be justifiably claimed by Remote Viewing (RV) is a psychic hit-rate a sizeable percentage above what chance would provide itself. So, although it is far from perfect, there is a measureable difference between chance and RV.
That fact alone makes it infinitely worthy of study. Even a measureable increase, however slight, above chance is something that must be due to a phenomenon of one sort or another.

That alone is astounding because no-one and I mean no-one is even claiming to know what causes this. Usually in esoteric subjects, there will always be some who claim to have the total answer, the truth.
Unusually for such a topic, RV is a topic that can claim to have been taken seriously by the military, science and intelligence aparatus of several countries. Again, that alone is astounding.

I have to agree with TrainedObserver in that RV is not actually anything new. Various supposed methods of obtaining information through non-standard means have existed since antiquity.
I think what is new, was the systematic studying of the possibilities, all the way until actual written-down instructions on how to practice this 'art'. Again, that alone is astounding!
When have you ever heard of a govenment and a military researching such an esoteric idea, akin to divination, clairvoyancy etc, actually making instructions for future subjects to follow to hopefully gain some information through this non-scientific method.

Yes, the results were not good enough on the whole to make it something you could routinely apply with different people. It is a bit hit or miss. But I would argue, intelligence is almost always percentages. No such thing as 100% credible 'intelligence' as that would actually just be 'fact'. Intelligence comes from various, parallel sources and each of these sources can only be awarded a certain weight, based upon known reliability. I believe RV, when used in conjunction with established intelligence collection methods, can make a valuable contribution, as long as it is given it's due weighting, and no more.

If the army saw fit to have a program of this running for so long, and there is actual army confirmation of the results, I have to think that due to the nature of the 'work', only a few of the most 'proved' psychics would be used, under great secrecy, and that this will be continuing to the present time. I know in my country's military, there are extremely specialised branches of the armed forces that you only even get to hear about if you are part of them or you have been sought for recruitment of them. I know for a fact myself and some colleagues were given a recruitment effort to 'drop out of the military', grow your hair and do some undercover work.
Anyway, had I not actually been exposed to that recruitment drive I would never have even known that such things were going on. The overwhelming majority of people I knew and worked with in the military would not know to this day about those things. So I have to wonder what I was not exposed to? When people question can governments and military's keep secrets? Absolutely, and they can keep them well, if need be. In addition, I think most of the time a military secret 'slips' out, it is deliberate. Politics uses leaks all the time to soften the blow of impeding bad news they are yet to give officially. None of this is supposition.
The point of all this is if RV'ing is still going on and the numbers involved are small, then it need not even cost too much to make hiding it's funding difficult. It can easily be done and I contend that for such a 'low chance, high reward' scenario, it would be remiss not to utilise it.

Could RV be any more faulty than the 'intelligence' that was behind the 2nd Gulf War?
 
Here is some Remote Viewing product. The same kind of End of the World predictions seers, prophets, and confidence men have been pitching for ages. This features the infamous Ed Dames who has made numerous bogus predictions over the years, not the least of which was the aliens are landing party. How can this guy be believed based on his real history? My impression of the following video is that it is fear-mongering scary bullshit from a con-artist. Am I being too harsh? Here is a link to a page where someone has put together a Ed Dames track record.

 
I enjoyed the paranormal parts of the discourse with Dr. Barry Taff; in fact, the run of Paracast shows lately have been exceedingly good. However; the 'entertainment' value of his list of sexual conquests, on-line dating experiences and misogynistic name-calling showed him (in my opinion) to be a thoroughly dislikeable person (Gene should have asked him if he was married at the end of the show -- it would have sounded amusingly sarcastic). Not that any of those shortcomings matter -- the doctor's approach to those paranormal subjects discussed was reasoned, knowledge-based and articulate.



For some reason my watch has stopped suddenly and the cutlery in my house is all bent :)
 
Well, you brought Dr Zhivago into it. Now I can't stop thinking of Omar Sharif sitting in some dacha tasting his home-brew before writing his newest poetry. And carnivals are mostly noisy and crowded.


So you're sceptical about his work or what? Why don't you just tell us what evidence you have?



I think so too. I've seen some "tests" in TV programmes that were otherwise quite sceptical. Although the desriptions are never quite a perfect fit, there are always way too many quite specific details right for it to be mere coincidence.

RV has even arrived in my country, the high fortress of sceptics and debunkers. Just because I knew others would frown at me if they knew I went to their website and made a test myself. A randomized process gives you a picture which you have to "guess". All I "got" was a color - green - and the feeling of "healthy". The picture was of a lush green meadow with a few wild flowers. No kidding.

I looked at other pictures the randomizing thingy would give out and they were of machinery, buildings etc. Not much green there. Haven't tried again, though. I think I got scared. :oops:




I recently posted a thread in the “chit chat” forum where Uri Geller’s name was bantered back and forth. Geller was a remote viewer for S.R.I. and worked under the instruction of Targ, and Putoff. It was later discovered that he may not have had any ability in Coordinate Remote Viewing, and has been used by skeptics ever since to decry the advancement of research into Parapsychology. Recently there was a scathing article published in MSNBC, Discovery News by science writer Ray Villard, condemning Parapsychology, and the advancement of research. Once again Uri Geller, the spoon bending psychics’ name came up, and I responded in the defense of the advancement of research in Parapsychology, citing Dr. Bem’s research, and The Rhine study. So Mr. Villard, and I have exchanged emails engaging in some interesting dialogue. Moving forward enters Dr. Taff, the flamboyant paranormal super sleuth to the stars, sharing his thoughts, and research, (not to mention peddling his latest work), on the subject.
One thing you will notice while listening, reading or looking at the brightest scholars in this field, (which are few, and far between), they are careful and humble with their thoughts, as they ring true. If they make a mistake, they will admit it, and move on. They seldom wax over statements in order to hide their mistakes. This is what you call integrity, credibility, and character, which is the most valuable currency in this realm. You will seldom hear a scientist, or researcher boasting about his or her accomplishments in order to impress the crowd. They just present their best evidence in the brightest light possible, letting the chips fall where they may. These men and women know all too well that it may take a million theories to produce one single fact.
Now to answer your question in respect to my post which included “unfortunately there is more to the Barry Taff story.”
It is my opinion when taking integrity, credibility, and character into consideration, along with contradictions, and inconsistencies; I would suggest a different picture emerges of Barry Taff’s story. Speaking to integrity and character, the most damming of all was the woman who he was supposed to protect. 18 minutes and 18 seconds into hour 2 Dr. Taff remarks, “the reason I met her was because there was poltergeist activity around her.” Then when having to defend himself, he flatly states. “Prior to her abduction, there was not the slightest indicator that she was emotionally troubled or disturbed. At least none that I was aware of.,” Then to make matters even worse he cowers behind the fact that he is not a clinical psychologist by stating, “ First of all, the girl I had the relationship with that was abducted while we were together was NOT a patient of mine at any point of time, as I am not a clinical psychologist.” That statement was unsettling to me, as if to say, I am not responsible for the care of this disturbed woman.
Now speaking to Dr. Taff’s research is a different matter. On the one hand he presents, (in my opinion only), some insightful, and provocative thoughts. But on the other, it is not like they are his alone, as I have heard and read the same theories form other scholars, and researchers. As there is little doubt Dr. Taff had a part in the development of what is commonly known as Remote Viewing, It is highly unlikely that all of his alleged research is still classified, especially in light of the fact that Targ, (not Taff), himself commented that the program was declassified in 1995, with the release of some information. This is quite puzzling as I find Dr. Taff’s answer as inadequate. Now keep in mind that Dr. Taff never worked at the Stanford Research Institute, (S.R.I), and the Stanford program was not classified until 1972, and partially declassified in 1995.
Now enters the other S.R.I. (AKA), “Spirit Rescue International”, a registered trademarked, first of its kind, international, non-profit whose specialty is removing, and relocating departed spirits by a group of remote viewers scattered around the globe. Their founder, Irene Allen-Block does not believe in learning from books or from humans, because it would contaminate her knowledge, learned from the spirit world, when she was very small. And guess who her associate is? None other than the highly educated Dr.Barry Taff.
My finial thought rests with Parapsychology, Dr. Taff, and the other S.R.I, (AKA), “Spirit Rescue International.”
First of all I would think that all of us could agree that the work performed at Stanford Research Institute shed some light into what may be perceived as a possible sixth sense. However the results did not confirm this to the empirical science community, and more research is needed. Even though there were very interesting results, there were also a multitude of ambiguities. So my question is, why Dr.Taff would become involved with S.R.I., (AKA), “Spirit Rescue International?”
I will leave you with this link to “Spirit Rescue International,” and you may want to view their welcome clip.
Spirit Rescue International - Home
 
@ S.R.L OK, I think I get your point. That site seems a little dubious and I would like to know if and what exactly Dr Taff has to do with it. But still I'm seeing more of a personal dislike of the quite straightforward manner he speaks his opinion and reacts to people than real evidence that something fishy is going on. The man's quite a character but that doesn't mean he's not telling the truth.

I really can't blame you for being sceptical, as many of his claims are quite extraordinary, and if one hasn't experienced anything like that for oneself that's all quite hard to swallow. But at the same time I don't think that scientists always have to keep their opinions to themselves, never judge people or comment on things. It's good to know where people are coming from and scientists are still human. Their opinion shouldn't influence their research (which I think he is quite aware of, he states it more than once in the book), but otherwise IMO they are entitled to have one and to speak it.

I guess parapsychologists (the real ones with academic titles and years of research and studies) have a pretty hard time in everyday life. They get frowned at and called all kind of things by lots of people. I think Dr Taff could write another book just on that subject. I guess the choice for them is to either not speak about your work, maybe quit it altogether or to confront these people. Which would earn you lots of enemies in no time and wouldn't exactly make people inclined to believe you, I'd think.

The only parapsychologist I know a little more of is a guy called Dr Walter von Lucadou here in Germany. He gets laughed at and indirectly called a liar and a kook time and time again and still he does a real good job approaching things like Psi, hauntings etc with a purely scientific mindset. I personally think that he's one of the most trustworthy and honest individuals in the german scientific community, and if he says he's had stones thrown at him out of nowhere (which he did say, even if he doesn't speak much about his investigations) I'm very much inclined to believe him. So I'm curious about other people in the field. I can't rule out the possibility that even with a scientific background, people can become "fast buck artists", though.

And about Dr Taff's girlfriend who was not a patient - if you were convinced that your friend had a mental problem and you had no psycological training yourself, what else could you do than advise her to seek professional help? I guess there's a lot here that he just summed up, efforts to help her in any possible way, that are not dscribed in detail. But in the end, you can't protect someone from events that are happening in their minds only.
 
Spirit Rescue International seems like a New Age spirituality organization. But its defense, they don't charge people for their services.
 
Dr. Taff struck me as a bit self-aggrandizing bordering on narcissistic, possibly from his tonality not just what he said. His "radio show" for example would seem to be a semi-regular podcast? He had some interesting points though. Did he claim all natural forces are exothermic? I'd be curious to learn more about his educational background given recent paranormal researcher claims of their education.
 
Yes I think it may be loose language to say "forces are all exothermic" or vice versa to wwkirk's example. @polterwurst - I was not suggesting he does not have a PhD in psychophysiology, I was more curious about the field itself. Taff claims he got this degree from UCLA. Looks like an interesting field: Psychophysiology Laboratory | UCLA

I would also be interested in knowing more about the 6 patents he claims to hold off his website bio. I did a few searches over at the USPTO an could not find, but it is very possible my search was not done with enough care as the USPTO's search engine is not very user friendly. I tried both Barry and Barreth.

US Patent Full-Text Database Boolean Search
 
Yes I think it may be loose language to say "forces are all exothermic" or vice versa to wwkirk's example. @polterwurst - I was not suggesting he does not have a PhD in psychophysiology, I was more curious about the field itself. Taff claims he got this degree from UCLA. Looks like an interesting field: Psychophysiology Laboratory | UCLA

I would also be interested in knowing more about the 6 patents he claims to hold off his website bio. I did a few searches over at the USPTO an could not find, but it is very possible my search was not done with enough care as the USPTO's search engine is not very user friendly. I tried both Barry and Barreth.

US Patent Full-Text Database Boolean Search
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Patents By Inventor Barry E. Taff :: Justia Patents
 
So it appears that many chemical process are endothermic. The article goes on to say that in the chemical equation, heat is placed on the reactants side.

Sure, but I think with 'natural forces' he was not referring to chemical processes but to the four forces known in physics, electromagnetism, gravitation, strong and weak nuclear force. EM radiation obviously creates heat, I guess gravitation does (that's why it's hot the deeper you get), and the nuclear forces - well, I'm no physicist but it might have something to do with the heat created in fission or fusion (?).


Nice find.
 
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