First men on moon saw ufos

[hopeful skeptic]

I think there's little question that the public hasn't gotten its investment back on NASA. Some valuable technology has made its way into industry, but we're paying for the products produced by that technology, and are threatened with annihilation by the descendants of that technology.

As an aside, Buzz' only failing was in limiting his reaction to the Moon Hoax heckler to a simple punch. He should have shot the idiot.

 

[CapnG]

As an aside, Buzz' only failing was in limiting his reaction to the Moon Hoax heckler to a simple punch. He should have shot the idiot.

Nah... a punch is more poetic. You know, "Bang! Zoom! Straight to the MOON!"

 

[Rick Deckard]

Does anyone know the total cost of all the space shuttle missions versus sending a man to the moon?

 

[hopeful skeptic]

Does anyone know the total cost of all the space shuttle missions versus sending a man to the moon?

Couldn't begin to guess. I do know that even NASA admits that the Shuttle failed miserably in the area of cost-effectiveness. It never came within a mile of approaching the hoped-for level of durability and operational turnaround.

 

[idontunderstand]

Does anyone know the total cost of all the space shuttle missions versus sending a man to the moon?

Cut and pasted from wikipedia lol -:

The total cost of the Shuttle program has been $145 billion as of early 2005 , and is estimated to be $174 billion when the Shuttle retires in 2010.

Space Shuttle program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cheers!

 

[DVS]

Is there an official explanation of why they havent went to the moon in since then?

I read that the actually moon base planned will be jointly funded by a few countries and we can expect each country to set up shop on different areas of the moon and do their research and mining.. So yeah, there will commercial interest for the moon in the future and it won't only be the US.

 

[David Biedny]

Cut and pasted from wikipedia lol -:

The total cost of the Shuttle program has been $145 billion as of early 2005 , and is estimated to be $174 billion when the Shuttle retires in 2010.

Space Shuttle program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cheers!

So compared the the travesty of the Iraq "war", the shuttle program has been a bargain. Imagine what we could have done with the money wasted in Iraq, makes you want to cry.

dB

 

[CapnG]

Imagine what we could do with the money we are currently wasting and will continue to waste in Iraq for the forseeable future, makes you want to cry.

Fixed. Sadly...

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Yes, there's been official explanations. Basically the cost it takes isn't worth the gain we would get in their view. Been there done that sorta thing.

Some people think they are being disingenuous, and that we haven't gone back due to some sort of alien quarantine. No, I'm not convinced this is the case.

I also recall hearing that NASA thinks it's better to send robots/machines there instead of men/women. But, if we are going to do that, lets go to Mars instead etc.

 

[pixelsmith]

they simply couldnt figure out how to fake stuff anymore. probably ran out of MAGIC MOON DUST.

 

[musictomyears]

...and why is Buzz talking to such people in the first place? Especially after the whole entrapment/punching incident where you'd think he would've learned to be less trusting of documentary makers...?

Perhaps it is Buzz' main job to "talk to such people", i.e. to continue with selling the Apollo story for the rest of his life.

 

[musictomyears]

It is rather odd how Buzz changed his story like he did and used his fist to stamp it with his seal of approval.

Yes it is rather odd, isn't it.

 

[musictomyears]

Why do the vast majority our unmanned spacecraft look like goofy erector set contrivances (excepting the Mars rovers, go baby go!)?
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On the flip side, why hasn't there been a manned mission to the moon since Apollo? Our materials and methods of design are much more advanced now and most of the mistakes were made so we can avoid them in the future.

Have you considered that NASA, these days, might be little more than a public front, used for funnelling taxpayer money into so called black ops? It doesn't seem as if the very best and most creative minds still work for NASA, but rather for other agencies that operate outside the public gaze.

Indeed, why could NASA send people to the Moon without any major hiccups back in the 60s, using 60s technology, but can't do the same today? Why do we have to wait until 2025? And when 2025 comes, and there are still no regular trips, or a Moon base, what is the excuse going to be?

 

[klatuu_berada_nicto]

Good question.

From my perpective, I don't see how we, as a nation, a going to fund a "moon base" or a recurring set of trips back to the moon initially. The last time we were there in the late 60's to early 70's we did not have an impending retirement/social security crisis (baby-boomers retiring en masse) coming in the next 20 years. Considering the fact that one of the reasons for the cancellation of the Apollo program was high cost, imagine how we could pay (hundreds of billions) to put people permanently on the moon and have the social security slush fund being drained every month by the folks who kicked into it for 50 years! Economically, this would be an "ass-kicking" for those of us in the work force. Can we (Gen X & Y) possibly backfill the social security fund to a barely maintainable level and pay our regular taxes, which would no doubt increase from their already healthy levels?

My point is that it will not likely be any technological challenges that put the ki-bash on our moon plans, but, the absolute fiscal ineptitude of the last few sessions of our legislative branch of government. To quote the movie 'The Right Stuff', "...no bucks, no Buck Rogers..."

 

[Rick Deckard]

I just watched a documentary about returning to the moon on BBC2 here in the UK.

There's a 'gold rush' on - well actually it's an exotic fuel called Helium-3.

There's about 1 million tons of Helium-3 isotope on the moon - it's scarce on earth (can only be retrieved from decommissioned nukes) and so 1 ton is worth *several billion dollars*.

So, guess what? They're gonna mine the moon.

Russia are committing themselves to 'industrial-scale' mining of the moon by 2020.

NASA aren't planning any mining operations but they are saying they'll have a permanent base there by that time - they're saying it'll cost about 1 Million dollars per man for every minute they stay on the moon.

China say they'll have men on the moon by 2025.

There are some US mining companies toying with idea and other countries are also waking up to the idea.

I wonder when the first lunar war will break out?

In future you may look up into the night sky and see someone's taken a bite out of the man in the moon...

 

[Schuyler]

I think there's little question that the public hasn't gotten its investment back on NASA.

Actually, it has (IMO), but in a roundabout way. When NASA had massive layoffs after the moon missions were cut, there were a tremendous number of highly educated, experienced engineers without jobs. Where did they go? Silicon Valley--and the rest is history. There are several good books on the history of the valley. (I'm kind of a collector of computer history books.) I'll dig them up if you want. I'm kinda comfy right now and my dog needs to go outside.

 

[Gil Bavel]

NASA has had an "Extraterrestrial Contamination" law on the books since their original mandate that anyone that has had any personal contact with an ET can be basically quarantined for as long as they want.

Presumably the astronauts may have gotten it into their heads that if they had mentioned something about aliens, then the boys at mission control may have wanted to debrief them post-mission for longer than they would have liked.

I've seen the documentaries where the astronauts supposedly say they were "Warned off the moon", but I've never heard it from them personally. Until we hear it from one of them, it's still hearsay. Doesn't mean it didn't happen--but it's hearsay.

 

[Chuckleberryfinn]

I wonder when the first lunar war will break out?

Don't you go stealing my b-movie sci-fi space adventure ideas.

 

[Gil Bavel]

Larry Niven beat you to in in 1974.

 

[Ron Collins]

NASA has had an "Extraterrestrial Contamination" law on the books since their original mandate that anyone that has had any personal contact with an ET can be basically quarantined for as long as they want.

I've never heard of this. Any documentation on this that I can read? It sounds a bit fishy.