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The general said that although Ukraine has a few of the weapons, Ukrainians have had no training in their use in the 23 years since Ukraine separated from Russia. The general thinks it was an accident due to incompetence.
This explanation makes a certain amount of sense and far more sense than Washington’s propaganda. The problem with the general’s explanation is that it does not explain why the Buk anti-aircraft missile system was deployed near or in a separatist territory. The separatists have no aircraft. It seems odd for Ukraine to have an expensive missile system in an area in which it is of no military use and where the position could be overrun and captured by separatists.
As Washington, Kiev, and the presstitute media are committed to the propaganda that Putin did it, we are not going to get any reliable information from the US media. We will have to figure it out for ourselves.
The separatists have no aircraft. It seems odd for Ukraine to have an expensive missile system in an area in which it is of no military use and where the position could be overrun and captured by separatists.
As Washington, Kiev, and the presstitute media are committed to the propaganda that Putin did it, we are not going to get any reliable information from the US media. We will have to figure it out for ourselves.
One way to begin is to ask: Why was the missile system where it was? Why risk an expensive missile system by deploying it in a conflict environment in which it is of no use?
There is the youtube video which purports to be a conversation between a Russian general and separatists who are discussing having mistakenly brought down a civilian airliner. According to reports, expert examination of the code in the video reveal that it was made the day before the airliner was hit.
Another problem with the video is that whereas we could say that separatists conceivably could confuse an airliner at 33,000 feet with a military attack plane, the Russian military would not. The only conclusion is that by involving the Russian military, the video doubly discredited itself.
What Happened to Malaysian Airlines MH17? Washington’s Propaganda Machine in High Gear | Global Research
 
>This Flaw In The Buk Missile System Makes It Really Easy To Accidentally Shoot Down ... - Worldnews.com


Without radar, missile may not have identified jet - Worldnews.com


But to function correctly, an SA-11 launcher, also known as a Buk, is supposed to be connected to a central radar command — as opposed to acting alone — to be certain of exactly what kind of aircraft it is shooting at.
From the information that has come to light so far, the rebels don't appear to have such systems, said Pavel Felgenhauer, a respected defense columnist for Novaya Gazeta, a Moscow-based newspaper known for its critical coverage of Russian affairs.
"They could easily make a tragic mistake and shoot down a passenger plane when indeed they wanted to shoot down a Ukrainian transport plane," he said.
On Friday, Russia's state-owned RIA Novosti news agency also quoted Konstantin Sivkov, director of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, as saying Buk missiles "should be provided with external systems of target identification, that is, radio-location systems. It's an entire system. And the insurgents certainly don't have radio-location."
Without a backup, a missile can be fired by operators who are not totally sure of what they are aiming at.
"Just seeing a blip on a radar screen was in no away sufficient to make a targeting decision," said Keir Giles, associate fellow for international security and Russia and Eurasia programs at the Royal Institute of International Affairs. "You need an additional radar system to which these weapons systems can be connected for additional information."
Social media postings from the rebels in the immediate aftermath of Thursday's Malaysia Airlines disaster also suggested they had assumed civilian aircraft were avoiding the area and that anything in the air was hostile.
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We know that the seperatists had been shooting down planes in the days and weeks prior, they openly bragged about it.

They bragged about having captured BUK systems, although there is some speculation this was in fact a cover story to hide the truth that Russia had supplied them.
They certainly needed them given the Ukrainians had air superiority and they were thus sitting ducks
 
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But only three weeks ago they had plenty of those weapons. At the end of June, the Russian state media had congratulated the rebels on their latest military acquisition – a set of Russian-made BUK missile launchers seized from a Ukrainian air force base. “The Donetsk resistance fighters have captured an anti-aircraft military station,” declared the Kremlin’s main television network Vesti, which has been cheering on the rebel fighters since the war in eastern Ukraine began this spring. “The skies above Donetsk will now be protected by the BUK surface-to-air missile complex,” said the headline on the channel’s website.

Вести.Ru: Небо над Донецком будут защищать зенитно-ракетные комплексы "Бук"
 
Bob Latiff, a former US weapons developer for the air force and the CIA and now a professor at Notre Dame University, said he leaned towards a belief that it was a case of mistaken identity on the part of those who pressed the button.
"A radar return from an airplane like this would look very similar to that from a cargo plane, as was initially claimed by the separatists. If radar was all they were using, that is a shame," he said. "All airliners emit identification signals which identify the aircraft and provide other information like altitude and speed. They also operate on known communications frequencies. It doesn't sound like the separatists were using any of this.
"My guess is the system's radar saw a return from a big 'cargo' plane flying at 30,000 ft or so and either automatically fired, or some aggressive, itchy operator fired, not wanting to miss an opportunity."

Cover-up: Ukraine rebels destroying all links to MH17 air atrocity | World news | The Guardian


All airliners emit identification signals which identify the aircraft and provide other information like altitude and speed.

Also known as IFF

Identification, friend or foe (IFF) is an identification system designed for command and control. It enables military and national (civilian air traffic control) interrogation systems to identify aircraft, vehicles or forces as friendly and to determine their bearing and range from the interrogator. IFF may be used by both military and civilian aircraft.
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But the BUK has a dumb mode

Additionally a non-cooperative threat classification system was installed, allowing targets to be classified without IFF via analysis of return radar signals
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Buk missile system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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These counter claims will always pop up

Some one is telling lies thats for sure

Scientology did the very same thing, for every claim and set of dox Anon found, they put out a counter claim.

Rebels leader rolls his eyes in MH17 tragedy interview

"As soon as members of OSCE (Organisation for Security and Co-Operation in Europe) arrived ... they notified us that as soon as we start moving the bodies then we will be responsible," Borodai told CNN.
"It got to the point where it resembled if not a horror movie, then black humour.
"When an old woman comes to our rebel groups and say, look there is a body of a headless man, (he) fell straight on my bed, please take this man away - the rebels say no, because they are following international instructions."
The OSCE denies making the direction to the rebels.
Borodai dismissed any evidence of the separatists' involvement in the tragedy, saying: "All of the information that comes through the internet is practically all lies."
He also said the separatists had "never been in possession of a single BUK (surface-to-air missile) system", which intelligence sources say is the type responsible for bringing down the passenger jet.
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So from this excerpt alone whos telling the truth ?

The OSCE or the rebels who claim they were following their instructions (An odd claim imo since they intimidated the OSCE at the crash scene with shots fired over their heads)
On the one hand they fire shots over their heads and say GTFO, but then claim they were happy to follow the OSCE instructions ?

And at the end of the day they did put the bodies in bags and load them on trucks, his claims dont match the facts

His claim they had never been in possesion of BUK's falls apart when you read the link i supplied earlier where the KGB sponsored TV channel congratulates them on having these systems.

At the end of June, the Russian state media had congratulated the rebels on their latest military acquisition – a set of Russian-made BUK missile launchers seized from a Ukrainian air force base. “The Donetsk resistance fighters have captured an anti-aircraft military station,” declared the Kremlin’s main television network Vesti, which has been cheering on the rebel fighters since the war in eastern Ukraine began this spring. “The skies above Donetsk will now be protected by the BUK surface-to-air missile complex,” said the headline on the channel’s website.

You can go to this site confirm its Russian and use a translator to confirm this.

I dont profess to know the "truth" , but i think ive detected some lies that i can prove to myself are from the separatist/Russian side of the story.

The Russians were happy to admit the rebels had Buks, the rebels were happy to take credit for downing 10 planes in recent times.
Weve seen footage of these grubs holding up childrens toys, they have stolen all the valuables and jewelry wedding rings etc etc from the bodies.
Reporters say they have found empty wallets

Freelance photojournalist Filip Warwick said that he had not come across a single wallet with money, mobile phone or camera at the crash site.
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Malaysia Airlines MH17 passengers’ luggage looted, credit cards stolen | News.com.au


They have lied about having the black boxes

And we have the RT reporter who quit over what she saw as Russian lies over this matter.

Someone is lying and for me the the evidence points at Russia and the rebels
They sure as hell havent covered themselves in any glory in the aftermath

And i guess im also a bit of a softie, id rather think this was a horrible mistake, than the deliberate murder with intent of innocent ppl, to further some geopolitical stoush

I can live with it being a stupid mistake.The conspiracy version is a scenario of unspeakable evil
 
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SA-11 Missile Batteries Moved Out of Russia Following Plane Crash - Bing Videos

And ive just watched an OSCE observer state he saw separatists using a power saw to cut up parts of the hull and take it away.
This is a crime scene and the suspects are tampering with and removing evidence.......

Now that may be consistant with securing proof the ukranians did it, but if that were the case it would be better to let the international teams find that evidence.
Its also consistant with removing the self incriminating evidence

Breaking news down here this hour is the US state departments press conference saying they think the missile came from seperatist held territory, and was a mistake

And this BS

Malaysia Airline MH17: Ukraine Rebel Leader Claims Downed Plane Was Filled With Dead Bodies Before Takeoff - International Business Times

Is laughable, we have australians who know they had loved ones on that flight, who know they are missing, as do the dutch and malaysians.

The claim this plane had dead bodies on board before takeoff is just BS
 
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This is why an unbiased central court is needed, investigations might take some time but you should get to the truth faster. Avoiding false-flag justifications for war and the snake pits of national self-interest should be priority number one.
Uncovering the truths in history books along with the atrocities that were triggered by them should be something of the past in our information age... you'd be tempted to think.

What is troubling is our capacity to generate false and convincing information of extreme quality. Without the tools to separate the signal from the noise, we are all vulnerable and manipulable by rich monsters in a world where ca$h is king.
 
Our real strength is in the winner/s revising history, and selling it to new generations, as those who were alive and 'know' different die off.
 
Western plutocracy goes bear hunting (Selective readings by me)
For Western plutocracy, that 0.00001% at the top, the real Masters of the Universe, Russia is the ultimate prize; an immense treasure of natural resources, forests, pristine water, minerals, oil and gas
Enter Globocop NATO. Barely out of having its collective behind unceremoniously kicked by a bunch of mountain warriors with Kalashnikovs, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization is now fast "pivoting" - that same old Mackinder to Brzezinski game - to Russia. The road map will be put in place at the group's summit in early September in Wales.
Meanwhile, the MH17 tragedy is undergoing a fast metamorphosis. When the on-site observations by this Canadian OSCE monitor (watch the video carefully) are compounded with this analysis by a German pilot, a strong probability points to a Ukrainian Su-25's 30 mm auto-cannon firing at the cockpit of MH17, leading to massive decompression and the crash.

No missile - not even an air-to-air R-60M, not to mention a BUK (the star of the initial, frenetic American spin). The new possible narrative fits with on-site testimony by eyewitness in this now famously "disappeared" BBC report. Bottom line: MH17 configured as a false flag, planned by the US and botched by Kiev. One can barely imagine the tectonic geopolitical repercussions were the false flag to be fully exposed.

Malaysia has handed out the flight recorders to the UK; this means NATO, and this spells out manipulation by the CIA. Air Algerie AH5017 went down after MH17. The analysis has already been released. That begs the question of why it is taking so long for MH17's black boxes to be analyzed/tampered with.
If the US deep state, guided by those nullities who pass for leadership, in desperation, goes one step beyond - it could be a genocide in Donbass; a NATO attack on Crimea; or worst case scenario, an attack against Russia itself - watch out. The Bear will strike.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-02-010814.html
 
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