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[mike]

But before we turn to Islam’s source materials, let us grasp two fundamental assumptions with which traditional Islam has operated throughout its history and which will provide us with an Islamic context for a clearer understanding of jihad’s significance:

1. Islam is a total way of life. It knows no separation of church and state, of sacred and secular.
2. Islam condemns all polytheism and idolatry, affirming that God alone is God. It is the culmination of all God’s previous revelations (Judaism and Christianity included), it supersedes them and virtually renders them obsolete. Islam is now God’s sole revelation and religion for all humanity, Muhammad is God’s final prophet and the Qur’an is God’s final book. World sovereignty is the sole prerogative of Islam.

Jihad in Islam: Is Islam Peaceful or Militant?


Yet, at the same time, if jihad is a concern for society (Muslim and non-Muslim), it is imperative that society examine Islam’s source materials and the understanding of the great expositors on the subject. The majority of the Qur’an’s texts themselves clearly identify jihad as physical warfare in Islam and, Islamically, God’s way of establishing the Kingdom of God on earth. They hardly require to be interpreted metaphorically. Likewise, from the Hadith and the earliest biographies of Muhammad it is just as evident that the early Muslim community understood these Quranic texts to be taken literally. Historically, therefore, from the time of Muhammad onwards, jihad as physical warfare in support of the message of Islam has been a reality for the Muslim community. Hence it comes as no surprise when even terrorists easily appeal to these source materials to justify their actions, not to speak of their teachers who teach the theory and the art of terrorism.


Then, what about the Muslim claims that Islam means peace, that it is in harmony with other religions, that it rejects violence? No doubt, for Muslims Islam may mean peace in its traditional Muslim sense, i.e., in so far as they have submitted to the conditions Islam imposes upon them. However, Islamically speaking, Islam has never meant peace for idolaters unless the idolaters abandon idolatry and embrace Islam. Nor, Islamically, has Islam meant peace for the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), unless the People of the Book submit to Islamic political rule and the dhimmi conditions which the Shari‘ah imposes upon them as the People of the Book. Thus, Muslims must clarify the nature of Islam’s peace, for whom and under what conditions Islam means peace, and how Islam promotes racial and religious harmony with other races and religions. Likewise, if jihad does not mean holy war, let Muslims explain why not and what it does mean. Surely, if by Islamic definition the primary purpose of jihad is the extension and defence of Islamic dominion, it also includes, under the shadow of war, the invitation to the enemy to submit to Islamic rule, perhaps even to embrace Islam itself, or to fight. Islamically, the invitation is compulsory and naturally precedes any battle. Truly, both word and sword are integral to jihad, yoked equally and working in harmony.

 

[mike]

The Myth:
Lesser educated Muslims sometimes claim that the root word of Islam is “al-Salaam,” which is “peace” in Arabic.
The Truth:
An Arabic word only has one root. The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no disagreement about this among Islamic scholars. al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word.
Submission and peace can be very different concepts, even if a form of peace is often brought about through forcing others into submission. As the modern-day Islamic scholar, Ibrahim Sulaiman, puts it, "Jihad is not inhumane, despite its necessary violence and bloodshed, its ultimate desire is peace which is protected and enhanced by the rule of law."
In truth, the Quran not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah, it also commands them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of submission to Islamic rule. This has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its success in conquering other cultures.

TheReligionofPeace - Myths of Islam

 

[mike]

The Myth:

Muhammad was a peaceful man who taught his followers to be the same. Muslims lived peacefully for centuries, fighting only in self-defense, and only when it was necessary. True Muslims would never act aggressively.

The Truth:

There shouldn't be any argument over who the "true Muslim" is because the Quran clearly distinguishes the true Muslim from the pretender in Sura 9 and elsewhere. According to this - one of the last chapters of the Quran - the true believer "strives and fights with their wealth and persons" while the hypocrites are those who "sit at home," refusing to join the jihad against unbelievers in foreign lands.

In truth, Muhammad organized 65 military campaigns in the last ten years of his life and personally led 27 of them. The more power that he attained, the smaller the excuse needed to go to battle, until finally he began attacking tribes merely because they were not yet part of his growing empire.

After Muhammad’s death, his successor immediately went to war with former allied tribes which wanted to go their own way. Abu Bakr called them 'apostates' and slaughtered anyone who did not want to remain Muslim. Eventually, he was successful in holding the empire together through blood and violence.

The prophet of Islam's most faithful followers and even his own family soon turned on each other as well. There were four caliphs (leaders) in the first twenty-five years, each of which was a trusted companion of his. Three of these four were murdered. The third caliph was murdered by those allied with the son of the first caliph. The fourth caliph was murdered in the midst of a conflict with the fifth caliph, who began a 100-year dynasty of excess and debauchery that was brought to an end in a gruesome, widespread bloodbath by descendents of Muhammad’s uncle (who was not even a Muslim).

Muhammad’s own daughter, Fatima, and his son-in-law, Ali, who both survived the pagan hardship during the Meccan years safe and sound, did not survive Islam after the death of Muhammad. Fatima died of stress from persecution within three months, and Ali was later assassinated by Muslim rivals. Their son (Muhammad’s grandson) was killed in battle with the faction that became today’s Sunnis. His people became Shias. The relatives and personal friends of Muhammad were mixed into both warring groups, which then fractured further into hostile sub-divisions as Islam expanded.

Muslim apologists, who like to say that is impossible for today's terrorists to be Muslim when they kill fellow Muslims, would have a very tough time explaining the war between Fatima's followers and Aisha to a knowledgeable audience. Muhammad explicitly held up both his favorite daughter and his favorite wife as model Muslim women, yet they were invoked respectively by each side in the violent civil war that followed his death. Which one was the prophet of God so horribly wrong about?

Muhammad left his men with instructions to take the battle against Christians, Persians, Jews and polytheists (which came to include millions of unfortunate Hindus). For the next four centuries, Muslim armies steamrolled over unsuspecting neighbors, plundering them of loot and slaves, and forcing the survivors to either convert or pay tribute at the point of a sword.
Companions of Muhammad lived to see Islam declare war on every major religion in the world in just the first few decades following his death - pressing the Jihad against Hindus, Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, and Buddhists.

By the time of the Crusades (when the Europeans began fighting back), Muslims had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world by sword, from Syria to Spain, and across North Africa. Millions of Christians were enslaved by Muslims, and tens of millions of Africans. The Arab slave-trading routes would stay open for 1300 years until pressure from Christian-based countries forced Islamic nations to declare the practice illegal (in theory). To this day, the Muslim world has never apologized for the victims of Jihad and slavery.

There is not another religion in the world that consistently produces terrorism in the name of God as does Islam. The most dangerous Muslims are nearly always those who interpret the Quran most transparently. They are the fundamentalists or purists of the faith, and believe in Muhammad’s mandate to spread Islamic rule by the sword, putting to death those who will not submit. In the absence of true infidels, they will even turn on each other.

The holy texts of Islam are saturated with verses of violence and hatred toward those outside the faith, as well as the aforementioned "hypocrites" (Muslims who don't act like Muslims). In sharp contrast to the Bible, which generally moves from relatively violent episodes to far more peaceful mandates, the Quran travels the exact opposite path (violence is first forbidden, then permitted, then mandatory). The handful of earlier verses that speak of tolerance are overwhelmed by an avalanche of later ones that carry a much different message. While Old Testament verses of blood and guts are generally bound by historical context within the text itself, Quranic imperatives to violence usually appear open-ended and subject to personal interpretation.

From the history of the faith to its most sacred writings, those who want to believe in "peaceful Islam" have a lot more to ignore than do the terrorists. By any objective measure, the "Religion of Peace" has been the harshest, bloodiest religion the world has ever known. In Islam there is no peace unless Muslims have power - and even then........

TheReligionofPeace - Myths of Islam

 

[mike]

Islam is Not a Religion of Pacifists : Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini,

"Islam’s jihad is a struggle against idolatry, sexual deviation, plunder, repression, and cruelty. The war waged by [non-Islamic] conquerors, however, aims at promoting lust and animal pleasures. They care not if whole countries are wiped out and many families left homeless. But those who study jihad will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. All the countries conquered by Islam or to be conquered in the future will be marked for everlasting salvation. For they shall live under [God’s law]. ...
Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does that mean that Muslim should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill the [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender [to the enemy]? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to paradise, which can be opened only for holy warriors!
There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and hadiths [sayings of the prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim."

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined. (source)

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. (source)

Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years. (source)

19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years. (source)

Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time

 

[mike]

Others show two men being crucified in front of a baying crowd and a woman who was stoned to death.

A crowd gathered at the bottom of a tower block to witness the death of the two men accused of "engaging in homosexual activities" - a crime according to ISIS' strict interpretation of Sharia law.

Islamic State 'throw two men to their deaths from tower block for being gay' - Mirror Online

 

[mike]

To address an earlier point by mike: how young girls are treated by Islam. That's not legitimate Islam; that's wacko Hadith translation

It is legitamate Islam because Mohammad did it, as since he is considered the perfect example for moslems that example is legitimate.

It doesnt get more legitimate than the iraq example legitimate is defined as

a. Being in compliance with the law; lawful

The law would cover Iraq’s Shia citizens and residents, a majority of the population of 36 million. It includes provisions that prohibit Muslim men from marrying non-Muslims, legalizes marital rape by stating that a husband is entitled to have sex with his wife regardless of her consent, and prevents women from leaving the house without permission from their husbands. The law would automatically grant custody over any child age two or older to the father in divorce cases, lower the marriage age to nine for girls

Even here in austrlia

In regional areas, the problem is more stark. In Wyong, Wollongong and Dubbo, six 15-year-olds in each local government area said they were in defacto marriages, and all three 14-year-olds who said they were defacto marriages live in Young.
The figures come to light amid intense public outrage at the arrest of a 26-year-old man over child sex allegations after his alleged marriage to a 12-year-old girl.
Eman Sharobeem from the Immigrant Women’s Health Service said hundreds of children as young as 11 were being sent overseas to be married after being “shopped” on Facebook. “It’s far more prevalent and well-known than people think,” she said.

No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au

The Myth:

The Quran places men and women on equal foundation before Allah. Each person is judged according to his or her own deeds. Women have equal rights under Islamic law.

The Truth:

Merely stating that individuals will be judged as such by Allah does not mean that they have equal rights and roles, or that they are judged by the same standards.
There is no ambiguity in the Quran, the life of Muhammad, or Islamic law as to the inferiority of women to men despite the efforts of modern-day apologists to salvage Western-style feminism from scraps and fragments of verses that have historically held no such progressive interpretation.

After military conquests, Muhammad would dole out captured women as war prizes to his men. In at least one case, he advocated that they be raped in front of their husbands. Captured women were made into sex slaves by the very men who killed their husbands and brothers. There are four Quranic verses in which "Allah" makes clear that a Muslim master has full sexual access to his female slaves, yet there is not one that prohibits rape.
The Quran gives Muslim men permission to beat their wives for disobedience, but nowhere does it command love in marriage. It plainly says that husbands are “a degree above” wives. The Hadith says that women are intellectually inferior, and that they comprise the majority of Hell’s occupants.

Under Islamic law, a man may divorce his wife at his choosing. If he does this twice, then wishes to remarry her, she must first have sex with another man. Men are exempt from such degradations.

Muslim women are not free to marry whom they please, as are Muslim men. Their husband may also bring other wives (and slaves) into the marriage bed. And she must be sexually available to him at any time (as a field ready to be “tilled,” according to the holy book of Islam).

Muslim women do not inherit property in equal portion to males. This is somewhat ironic given that Islam owes its existence to the wealth of Muhammad's first wife, which would not otherwise have been inherited by her given that she had two brothers and her first husband had three sons.

A woman's testimony in court is considered to be worth only half that of a man’s, according to the Quran. Unlike a man, she must also cover her head - and often her face.
If a woman wants to prove that she was raped, then there must be four male witnesses to corroborate her account. Otherwise she can be jailed or stoned to death for confessing to “adultery.”

Given all of this, it is quite a stretch to say that men and women have “equality under Islam” based on obscure theological analogies or comparisons. This is an entirely new ploy that is designed for modern tastes and disagrees sharply with the reality of Islamic law and history.

Further Reading from the Quran:

Veils
Women Worth Less than Men
Proving Rape under Islamic Law
Wife-Beating
Divorce - A Man's Prerogative
Remarriage
Men in Charge of Women
Polygamy


A woman's testimony in court is considered to be worth only half that of a man’s, according to the Quran.

So if a man testifys he saw a duck on a pond, and it was a black duck, and a woman testifys the duck was white. The court must find the duck was white. If two women testify the duck was white the court must rule the matter inconclusive. In order to render a finding the duck was white a minimum of three women would have to testify to this .

Under sharia law a woman is worth half a man

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176). In Islam, sexism is mathematically established.
Qur'an (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man's testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman's, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they would make more reliable witnesses.
Qur'an (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"
Qur'an (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands if there is no water to purify them following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).
Qur'an (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse).
Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse, which it has been used historically to justify. If this is what Muhammad meant, however, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).
Qur'an (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four" Inequality by numbers.
Qur'an (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.
Qur'an (4:24) and Qur'an (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).
TheReligionofPeace - Islam: A Woman is Worth Less than a Man

The revered Islamic scholar, al-Ghazali, who has been called 'the greatest Muslim after Muhammad,' writes that the role of a Muslim woman is to "stay at home and get on with her sewing. She should not go out often, she must not be well-informed, nor must she be communicative with her neighbors and only visit them when absolutely necessary; she should take care of her husband... and seek to satisfy him in everything... Her sole worry should be her virtue... She should be clean and ready to satisfy her husband's sexual needs at any moment."

Muhammad captured women in war and treated them as a tradable commodity. The immutable, ever-relevant Qur'an explicitly permits women to be kept as sex slaves. These are hardly things in which Muslims can take pride.

 

[mike]

Islamic terrorist kills two in Sydney cafe: Moslems killed and mosques burnt down ? ZERO
Islamic terrorists kill 17 in France: Moslems killed and mosques burnt down ? ZERO

Charlie hedbo publishes another cartoon

Yesterday, five people died and 45 were injured during a demonstration in the southern city of Zinder, Niger’s second-largest town. Police shot dead two protesters while another died after inhaling teargas and a gendarme was killed, Interior Minister Massaoudou Hassoumi told state radio. Churches were also torched, the police headquarters were attacked and a French cultural center was set ablaze.

Niamey’s biggest Protestant church was ransacked and set ablaze while about 20 other churches and places of worship were burned]

Violent and bloody protests have erupted around the world as furious Muslims react to Charlie Hebdo's 'survivor' edition - again featuring the holy Prophet Muhammad on its front cover.
As pictures emerged of a photographer shot in the chest during riots in Pakistan - so did the news of churches being burned down in Niger, and equally violent clashes in Jordan

Muslim world reacts angrily to Charlie Hebdo's 'survivor' edition

Demonstration: Thousands gathered after Friday prayers in Zinder, Niger, to vent their anger at the latest Charlie Hebdo magazine, which features the Prophet Muhammad on its front cover

Thousands also took to the streets of Amman in Jordan protesting over the magazine

When you compare western reaction to the murder of innocent people and police officers to the thousands and thousands of moslems who went on a violent rampage because of a drawing............. We have to question what is it about islamic ideology that inspires such a disproportionate violent reaction.

You would have to be living on an island 22 km wide and 52 km long to not get the big picture thats being played out for those with eyes to see

6 million people turned out to see the Pope this week, how many catholics went troppo over this

ZERO............................

 

[kanakaris]

peace full errorist kills two in Sydney cafe: Moslems killed and mosques burnt down ? ZERO
Islamic terrorists kill 17 in France: Moslems killed and mosques burnt down ? ZERO

Charlie hedbo publishes another cartoon







Muslim world reacts angrily to Charlie Hebdo's 'survivor' edition

Demonstration: Thousands gathered after Friday prayers in Zinder, Niger, to vent their anger at the latest Charlie Hebdo magazine, which features the Prophet Muhammad on its front cover

Thousands also took to the streets of Amman in Jordan protesting over the magazine

When you compare western reaction to the murder of innocent people and police officers to the thousands and thousands of moslems who went on a violent rampage because of a drawing............. We have to question what is it about islamic ideology that inspires such a disproportionate violent reaction.

You would have to be living on an island 22 km wide and 52 km long to not get the big picture thats being played out for those with eyes to see

6 million people turned out to see the Pope this week, how many catholics went troppo over this

ZERO............................

Very true , but are other religions only peaceful ?

 

[mike]

I couldnt agree more.

 

[mike]

Pope Francis, speaking to a crowd of ambassadors to the Vatican, recently addressed what he called the “deviant forms of religion” that use the practice of faith as an excuse to murder people, as in Paris last week, where a small gang of crazed Islamic fundamentalists attacked Charlie Hebdo, a satirical magazine, as well a Jewish market, killing 17 people and frightening millions. The pontiff scorned “fundamentalist terrorism” and “extremist interpretations” of the Koran, which he believes has caused so much bloodshed over the past decade or more.

His argument strikes me as both correct and incisive; but I would go further and argue that fundamentalism is perhaps more generally a problem than the Pope suggests. It afflicts Islam severely, but it also distorts Christianity when “extremist interpretations” are involved—although with nothing like the vicious results, as (today at least) few Christian fundamentalists, even in their most extreme versions, regard terrorism as an option.

With Islam, the argument makes a great deal of sense. It’s worth noting that Wahhabism—the extremist form of Islam adopted by Saudi Arabia in the last two centuries—has been the most obvious begetter of our current troubles. This demented vein of thinking promotes literal readings of the Koran, has a strong anti-feminist bias (among other things), and tends toward violence, as it regards all those—including other Muslims—who don’t follow their rules to the letter as heathens who must be eradicated.

With immense oil wealth at their disposal, the Saudis have promoted this distorted form of Islam, as Jonathan Manthorpe has noted: “Over more than two decades, Saudi Arabia has lavished around $100 billion or more on the worldwide promotion of the violent, intolerant, and crudely puritanical Wahhabist sect of Islam that the ruling royal family espouses.

When All Fundamentalists Were Christian - The Daily Beast#


Analyses - Wahhabism | PBS - Saudi Time Bomb? | FRONTLINE | PBS

 

[flipper]

Here is an article I found interesting:
"American Sniper" spawns death threats against Arabs and Muslims | The Electronic Intifada
American Sniper, directed by Clint Eastwood, is based on the autobiography of Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, reputedly the deadliest sniper in American history.

Replete with hatred, bigotry and unrepentant bloodlust, Kyle’s book boasts of killing 160 Iraqi “savages” during his four deployments in Iraq following the illegal US invasion and occupation in 2003.

“Savage, despicable evil. That’s what we were fighting in Iraq,” Kyle writes in his book.

“I only wish I had killed more,” he writes, adding, “I loved what I did … It was fun. I had the time of my life.”

“They hated us because we weren’t Muslim. They wanted to kill us, even though we just booted out their dictator, because we practiced a different religion than they did,” adds Kyle, who goes on to confess, “I don’t shoot people with Korans – I’d like to, but I don’t.” In Kyle’s mind, all Iraqis who resisted the invading US soldiers were irrationally violent religious fanatics.

News & Analysis | The Electronic Intifada

 

[Wade]

While I'm not about to demonize Mr. Kyle...i knew he wasn't a saint and I personally blanch at him being called a hero...he was doing what he was expected to do, protect the lives of his fellow soldier and that meant doing unsavory things. I sometimes wonder if some of the things he stated in his bio wasn't false braggadicio or maybe just plain denial. I understand he was known to spin elaborate tales of derring do (read:fabrications) and probably he even lied to himself.

When a person is called upon to do things that would shake most of us to our mortal cores...and what's more be required to do it over and over...it would be only natural to convince yourself that it was morally justified, if not tolerable and even enjoyable.

I have yet to see the movie but i will add i read the recent article on Jesse Ventura in Men's Journal and it touched on the Chris Kyle/Jesse Ventura lawsuit and if anything Mr. Kyle achieved what I would have at one time thought unthinkable. It made me feel a little sorry for Jesse Ventura.

Having never been in the military I have to wonder to myself if I could make a distinction between killing someone in self defense and killing someone remotely...not unlike drone operators...even if it's done with the intent of protecting your comrades. To me that "seperation" aspect is sort of chilling, it can be a slippery slope down from your humanity.

Remember this line from The Unforgiven, another Clint Eastwood movie uttered by his character Will Muny ?

"It's a hell of a thing killing a man, take away all he's got and all he'll ever have".

If there was ever a movie about questionable, convoluted moral codes and existential angst, it would be this one.

 

[kanakaris]

Here is an article I found interesting:
"American Sniper" spawns death threats against Arabs and Muslims | The Electronic Intifada
American Sniper, directed by Clint Eastwood, is based on the autobiography of Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, reputedly the deadliest sniper in American history.

Replete with hatred, bigotry and unrepentant bloodlust, Kyle’s book boasts of killing 160 Iraqi “savages” during his four deployments in Iraq following the illegal US invasion and occupation in 2003.

“Savage, despicable evil. That’s what we were fighting in Iraq,” Kyle writes in his book.

“I only wish I had killed more,” he writes, adding, “I loved what I did … It was fun. I had the time of my life.”

“They hated us because we weren’t Muslim. They wanted to kill us, even though we just booted out their dictator, because we practiced a different religion than they did,” adds Kyle, who goes on to confess, “I don’t shoot people with Korans – I’d like to, but I don’t.” In Kyle’s mind, all Iraqis who resisted the invading US soldiers were irrationally violent religious fanatics.

News & Analysis | The Electronic Intifada

And not a word about the fact that this war was illegal.
Not a word about the several hundreds thousand innocent deaths.
Before the invasion there was no Al Qaida in Irak , and now Isis is all over the place.
What a hero , this Mr. Kyle...

 

[stonehart]

And not a word about the fact that this war was illegal.
Not a word about the several hundreds thousand innocent deaths.
Before the invasion there was no Al Qaida in Irak , and now Isis is all over the place.
What a hero , this Mr. Kyle...

I have to agree with this post.
Yes the pushing of radicalized groups is the Wests fault.. well more specifically Americas in the case of the groups mentioned.

Hey there is no better way to radicalize a group than to bomb whole villages to get just one guy.