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Many IPCC scientists are jumping ship because of the lack of warming for over 16 years and the 200,000+ released emails between the IPCC scientists telling how they are manipulating data, controlling peer review and spending their funds on trips, etc... There was lots of in fighting between the REAL scientists and the bought and paid for ones.
The planet is not undergoing anything unusual, the polar bears are not going extinct and CO2 is a trace gas necessary for life on earth. The chicken littles of the AGW scam will now go after something different like radon or ocean acidification to wet their pants over.
 
Climate scientists struggle to explain warming slowdown

Scientists are struggling to explain a slowdown in climate change that has exposed gaps in their understanding and defies a rise in global greenhouse gas emissions.
Some experts say their trust in climate science has declined because of the many uncertainties. The UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) had to correct a 2007 report that exaggerated the pace of melt of the Himalayan glaciers and wrongly said they could all vanish by 2035.
"My own confidence in the data has gone down in the past five years," said Richard Tol, an expert in climate change and professor of economics at the University of Sussex in England.
Climate scientists struggle to explain warming slowdown| Reuters
 
Is the media waking up? Global warming: time to rein back on doom and gloom?
Tic, tic, tic. The sleeping MSM is stirring. Headlines no one could imagine seeing a few years ago are popping up on a regular basis. The backdown is beginning.
For those who have not gone-over-the-falls and chained their reputation to a big-Green-rock, there is time to backtrack. This is a good moment to start mentioning that “things have changed.” It’s five years too late, but that’s better than being ten-years-too-late, and it still has a tiny bit of kudos for being ahead of stampede that is coming.
The term du jour is “new evidence”. It’s the ticket back to reality, even though strong evidence has been there for a decade, and the lack of warming is just one more clue that the models are wrong.
Is the media waking up? Global warming: time to rein back on doom and gloom? « JoNova
 
SUN IS THE MAJOR CONTROL OF CLIMATE; LOOK FOR COOLING - AUSTRALIAN PROFESSOR

Professor Cliff Ollier of the School of Earth and Environmental Studies, the University of Western Australia, recently presented a paper in Poznan, Poland, in which he described the sun as the major control of climate, but not through greenhouse gases."There is a very good correlation of sunspots and climate. Solar cycles provide a basis for prediction. Solar Cycle 24 has started and we can expect serious cooling. Many think that political decisions about climate are based on scientific predictions but what politicians get are projections based on computer models. The UN's main adviser, the IPCC, uses adjusted data for the input, their models and codes remain secret, and they do not accept responsibility for their projections."
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nzclimatescience.net - SUN IS THE MAJOR CONTROL OF CLIMATE; LOOK FOR COOLING - AUSTRALIAN PROFESSOR
 
Pixel, the reason I have stopped posting in this thread is because it's a waste of time to discuss this topic with you. You refuse to pay attention to what anyone tells you and you can't separate the science from the politics.
Face facts pixel, you don't disagree with the data, you disagree with the solutions that have been proposed. It's pretty silly that you're still burying your head in the sand.
 
The facts are that there has been no warming in over 15 years yet CO2 is still climbing. This suggests what some of us already know... the models are wrong. If the models are wrong then the current AGW hypothesis collapses. That would mean you need to find a new boogie man to support AGW... or the way it looks now... Anthropogenic Global COOLING. We would then come full circle to the 1960's global cooling scare.
 
pixelsmith said:
The facts are that there has been no warming in over 15 years yet CO2 is still climbing. This suggests what some of us already know... the models are wrong. If the models are wrong then the current AGW hypothesis collapses.
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That's the thing, you just say the models are wrong and that "some of us already know." What makes you so special? Pixel, you're wrong about so many things (9/11, vaccines, Obama's birth certificate, FEMA camps), when are you going to realize you're wrong about this one too? Did you have a stockpile of food and supplies ready for Y2K? When will you admit that denying this evidence is akin to a creationist denying fossil evidence?
 
Angel of Ioren said:
That's the thing, you just say the models are wrong and that "some of us already know." What makes you so special? Pixel, you're wrong about so many things (9/11, vaccines, Obama's birth certificate, FEMA camps), when are you going to realize you're wrong about this one too? Did you have a stockpile of food and supplies ready for Y2K? When will you admit that denying this evidence is akin to a creationist denying fossil evidence?
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The FACTS are that the models are wrong, the predictions of rising sea levels were wrong, the melting Himalayans were wrong, the more frequent hurricanes thing was wrong, etc etc etc... everything the models predicted has been wrong...even your contrived "consensus of scientists" was wrong...yet you say they are right... you my friend are the one with your head in the sand.
 
pixelsmith said:
The FACTS are that the models are wrong, the predictions of rising sea levels were wrong, the melting Himalayans were wrong, the more frequent hurricanes thing was wrong, etc etc etc... everything the models predicted has been wrong...even your contrived "consensus of scientists" was wrong...yet you say they are right... you my friend are the one with your head in the sand.
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Tell that to the people that went through hurricane Sandy - nothing abnormal about that.
Please, you keep saying the models are wrong - where are you getting this from, The Heartland Institute?
 
Angel of Ioren said:
Tell that to the people that went through hurricane Sandy - nothing abnormal about that.
Please, you keep saying the models are wrong - where are you getting this from, The Heartland Institute?
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From the lack of any model predictions coming true. The scientists couldn't even manipulate the data to make their predictions come true... they fudged data so much that it caused major infighting amongst them and the models still failed to support their predictions or find the "hot spot".
 
pixelsmith said:
From the lack of any model predictions coming true. The scientists couldn't even manipulate the data to make their predictions come true... they fudged data so much that it caused major infighting amongst them and the models still failed to support their predictions or find the "hot spot".
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So, nothing to back up what you're saying....
 
You have said it yourself that CO2 is causing global warming, why hasn't it been warming?
 
pixelsmith said:
So... nothing to back up what you are saying?... that CO2 causes warming, yet there is no warming.
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I've posted all that already. You're the one that brought up the models. The problem... you don't like it and you're grasping at straws to discredit anything that doesn't fall into your incorrect view (like all the other stuff you're wrong about, which I mentioned above...).
 
Discussing this topic with someone who has not read the work from BOTH sides is futile. You subscribe to a belief system and science derived from corrupted models and a contrived consensus. I subscribe to observed data and science derived from the scientific method. The facts and current data being collected indicate that we do not know enough about climate science to create global policies and controls on CO2 that are based on the serious lack of scientific evidence.
If we go by your science we should be seeing considerable warming because CO2 has continued to rise. We are not seeing this warming, the IPCC is not seeing the warming, many scientists have reversed their views on CAGW because of this...yet you hang on to this notion that a life giving essential trace gas is killing us and the planet.
 
In this last months discovery magazine there was an article concerning the ozone layer and how it comes and goes. I think this is relevant to the discussion here. We do influence the ozone layer but the ozone layer also can re energize itself if we let it alone.


The ozone later has recently looked better than a few years ago,although if you have read about the ozone layer you know that there are places where it is thinner and therefore it lets more UV into those areas. UV getting through the ozone is one of the major controls of weather and the more UV rays getting in the hotter the oceans and the more changes away from the norm we can expect. Weather patterns can change drastically causing some of the conditions that both "sides" are mentioning here. If you tweak something in the weather at one place it could prompt an opposite condition somewhere else. The weather is a very delicate balance.

As someone who is directly involved with HVAC-R ( heating ventilation and air conditioning...add R for refrigeration) we have seen a lot of changes involving hydrochloroflourocarbons in our industry. Basically Removing ozone depleting types of refrigerants. This has a lot of people upset because a cylinder of R-22 was at one time less than 100.00 american dollars. Now it has climbed to the 400-500 range...soon it will be like gold to buy here and it is forcing the consumer to change their systems to an R-410a system because it is a more ozone friendly gas. What they don't tell you is that it runs at much higher and more dangerous pressures.....this forced changeover was the result of new regulations passed by almost all governments. Somehow China and Mexico seem to be exempt from this and they still make and release this gas into the atmosphere. I think the change over is good but it is going to be VERY expensive for the consumer, and not all are held to is like I mentioned with China.

Being in the line of work that I am I can tell you that we set records here on the east coast last summer for heat. Texas was like an out door barbecue pit and I'm sure the mid west wasn't much better. The grid went down several times in various places due to the strain on it . A well designed air conditioning system is basically designed to make the air anywhere from 15 to 20 F cooler from inlet to outlet, so if it is 95F outside and your house is well insulated and properly sized you should be able to bring your indoor temps to low 70F with no problem. Air cooled to 74F and coming out at 54F will maintain comfort in the average house, but you need 54F to maintain 74F follow?........this past summer at times we got up to 115F on the east coast. The systems are not designed to work well past 100F, so what you get is a house that is warming up because the insulation can't maintain as well at those temps. The poor AC system is working 24/7 and in some cases is only removing humidity because the house is at 80F. The efficiency of a system rapidly decreases after 100F so instead of 15/20F spread you may only get a 12F spread at 115/120F.

In a nutshell our systems can't handle this load over the long term. If we continue to get these kinds of summer temps for weeks at a time systems will fail( this is a good thing for guys like me though).It might feel slightly better in the west because of lower humidity. My dad who has lived in the south east United States all his life commented that he has noticed it getting warmer over the last several years. The people who live there pretty much depend on their air conditioning to live with high temperatures AND high humidity. I would have to agree with him. We have seen record temps these last few years.

In my opinion the sun, and the atmospheric canopy including the ozone layer are like the rudder to a very big ship that steer our weather. Increased sun activity and decreased ozone can cause a lot of weird weather( and skin cancer). In all things weather any action creates an opposite reaction. If the the oceans and the deserts heat up , then the system will try to cool down causing those killer hurricanes and tornadoes. Weather patterns change.

There are other factors influencing our weather and crops like com trails and the Navy playing God with the weather but don't get me started on that.
 
Angel of Ioren said:
I've posted all that already. You're the one that brought up the models. The problem... you don't like it and you're grasping at straws to discredit anything that doesn't fall into your incorrect view (like all the other stuff you're wrong about, which I mentioned above...).
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Really Angelo? I am grasping?... I don't need to discredit anything. Your science, the IPCC and its scientists did that all by themselves, now they are even admitting they were wrong... but you keep saying they are right... that is very strange my friend.
 
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