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Greer and The Sirius Film
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IsaacKoi
Paranormal Maven
As I said in my earlier post, I thought the flaws in the discussion (i.e. the various errors and also the irony of criticizing Greer for other faults evident in the podcast such as a failure to name relevant sources) were probably at least in part due to difficulties arising from the podcast format (whether live or not).
I'm not convinced that a recorded discussion lends itself to detailed and accurate examination of the issues.
I'm not convinced that a recorded discussion lends itself to detailed and accurate examination of the issues.
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
Sometimes you get to hear rare guests on podcasts who do have dates, facts, figures, sources and places all flowing freely from their steel trap minds. Unfortunately, those folks are pretty infrequent and are generally the historians or ethnographers in the field - they are my favourite shows. Some guests make it a point to have their points researched and noted prior to the show; other times it's the host who has all the knowledge - Ecker provides a lot of that in his narrations. I think trying to crank out a show as often as DMR does is a pretty impressive feat on its own. But most paranormal podcasts in general are neither science oriented nor verifiable. That's why a lot of people get to state opinions, hearsay or pure invention to varying degrees on all the podcasts. It's the nature of the beast. Discrimination is always dictated by the various constraints of production.
Okay, let me say UPFRONT that I am NOT suggesting anything but now I will relay something that happened this morning that is odd to say the least.
Woke up about 6:15 AM Pacific daylight time and wandered out to my kitchen and poured myself a cup of coffee. I have my laptop on my dining room table, turned it on and was checking my email. There in my email was a note from Face Book telling me that they detected an attempt to log on to my account from a "device" that FB did not recognize. This "device" was located in the state of Virginia and they asked me if it was me? I wrote them back and told them Nope, not me. They then re-set my account. Had to put in a new password, the entire enchilada. Virginia? Hmm, who is in Virginia? CIA? Yeah but unlikely. My wifes sister? Yup but she is one of those folks that hates computers ... well except for Solitaire. Steve Greer? Greer fanboys ... and girls? Yup but no way to prove it ... however I did do the show on the Sirius flick last Tuesday .... Hmmmmm .......
Now ... a flash back to the PAST from the UFO Updates list back when it was still dynamic ..... From December 12, 1996.
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:37:05 GMT
Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 02:46:19 -0500
Subject: Greer, Admits His Connection With Rockefeller
>From Leading Edge:
Dr. Steven Greer, CSETI, Admits His Connection With Lawrence Rockefeller
Dr. Steven Greer, who in recent months flew to England to obtain a clear
vivid video tape of a disk pulling aerial manuevers from an English couple
and flew back to the US, refusing to show anyone the video, was on the
Starfire Radio Program on Cable News Network on Nov 31st. When asked about
the video tape, Greer stated that he had even better videos, but was saving
them for Project Starlight, and indicated that none of the
superlative videos would be released to the public. When asked how an
apparently "poor country doctor" could afford to flit around the world and
do all these things, Greer several times raised the fact of his friendship
with Lawrence Rockefeller. While not a surprising revelation, this public
statement ensures that Greer will now be counted among the ranks of those
participating in the global coverup of information related to this issue,
and adds his name to the long list of New World Order control factions
determined to keep the general public ignorant on the important issue of
interactions with other species.
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Shoot, the more things change the more they stay the same.....
Decker
Woke up about 6:15 AM Pacific daylight time and wandered out to my kitchen and poured myself a cup of coffee. I have my laptop on my dining room table, turned it on and was checking my email. There in my email was a note from Face Book telling me that they detected an attempt to log on to my account from a "device" that FB did not recognize. This "device" was located in the state of Virginia and they asked me if it was me? I wrote them back and told them Nope, not me. They then re-set my account. Had to put in a new password, the entire enchilada. Virginia? Hmm, who is in Virginia? CIA? Yeah but unlikely. My wifes sister? Yup but she is one of those folks that hates computers ... well except for Solitaire. Steve Greer? Greer fanboys ... and girls? Yup but no way to prove it ... however I did do the show on the Sirius flick last Tuesday .... Hmmmmm .......
Now ... a flash back to the PAST from the UFO Updates list back when it was still dynamic ..... From December 12, 1996.
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:37:05 GMT
Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 02:46:19 -0500
Subject: Greer, Admits His Connection With Rockefeller
>From Leading Edge:
Dr. Steven Greer, CSETI, Admits His Connection With Lawrence Rockefeller
Dr. Steven Greer, who in recent months flew to England to obtain a clear
vivid video tape of a disk pulling aerial manuevers from an English couple
and flew back to the US, refusing to show anyone the video, was on the
Starfire Radio Program on Cable News Network on Nov 31st. When asked about
the video tape, Greer stated that he had even better videos, but was saving
them for Project Starlight, and indicated that none of the
superlative videos would be released to the public. When asked how an
apparently "poor country doctor" could afford to flit around the world and
do all these things, Greer several times raised the fact of his friendship
with Lawrence Rockefeller. While not a surprising revelation, this public
statement ensures that Greer will now be counted among the ranks of those
participating in the global coverup of information related to this issue,
and adds his name to the long list of New World Order control factions
determined to keep the general public ignorant on the important issue of
interactions with other species.
--------------------------------------------
Shoot, the more things change the more they stay the same.....
Decker
What I don't get is that Greer goes on about the Government not disclosing UFO information, and yet he supposedly sits on evidence and technology himself!
In a word: Hypocrite.
In another word: *******
In a word: Hypocrite.
In another word: *******
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
Wow ... you said it Goggs ... and thanks to Decker. Up until now I had just figured Greer as an opportunist, but still sincerely interested in ufology. Knowing that he's going around collecting quality evidence on the side and not disclosing it is bad news. Mind you Stanford is doing the same thing and the only reason he doesn't get dissed as much is because he doesn't do what Chris calls the "cult of personality" routine. But in my view that isn't sufficient justification for withholding evidence from the public. In other words, just because Stanford doesn't claim to be some kind of guru doesn't justify him holding out any more than Greer. Of course it might also be the case that neither of them really has anything substantial.
zaphrella
Skilled Investigator
If you don't talk about him, how will others not so steeped in ufology gain any perspective on him? If his word is the only one heard then it is his message that goes out. Many of us need at least a little boost to gain perspective, see a different side or get those AHA! moments.
I have a keen interest in a wide range of paranormal subjects but as such, it is not very deep in any one area. Mostly I recognize 'big' names. I am just learning the stories behind the names. It doesn't help me grow in my knowledge to only hear one side. I know enough to recognize that no one has the complete explanation on anything but that even the weirdest point of view might have an insightful kernel of something worthy of closer examination.
LennyfromMaine
Paranormal Novice
I have to say, this was one of my favorite DMR shows. I liked the friends sitting around a table atmosphere. Question for you Don.... In your opinion, why does Greer do thing like this? Better question, why did he pick this subject matter to make a name for himself? Could it really all be ego? Is he just nuts, and maybe really believes what he says? I can think of many other more main stream ways to become "famous". What do you think brought him to this..?
Well thank you Lenny. As to why does Greer do this? My God, if I could answer that ... I could make a fortune. Here is a guy that is certainly intelligent, a medical degree and he tosses it to chase flying saucers? Ego is certainly one aspect of it. I also believe he has set himself up as a guru ... IMHO I think he wants to be loved by the masses, perhaps worshiped to a degree. Why did Bo and Peep do it? Jim Jones or Billy Meir, why did they do it? Lets go back a bit to George Adamski, Wayne Aho, lots of folks ended up gravitating to UFOs. The simple answer is I don't have a clue, and perhaps more importantly I am not sure that I even want to know. You know what they say about the moth and the flame, right? If you get too close you just might burn yourself up chasing that flame. I prefer to stand back from it these days.
Decker
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
Well let's not forget the Raëlians ... I you gotta check this out.
Man-o-man ... laugh, cringe, shake my head ... laugh some more.
Some of the craziest fringe ufology culture on Earth 
At least they look like they're having fun ... 
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
And here's Rael himself checking out the Japanese Hotties
And there's a seriously beautiful background audio track if you just hang in there.
The Music is by Kelly Sweet
The Greer film was _so_ bad. There was a total lack on continuity, no concept of arranging things thematically, flitting beween totally separate topics without so much as a bridge phrase of a segue, but my favorite part--I could simply be imagining this, but it seemed like it was true while I was watching it--was that the rapid flash-cut images of religious paintings and icons, lasting all of 10 seconds and meant to PROVE Mediaeval people knew all about ETs, was, I believe, snippets lifted from the film Ancient Aliens Debunked, which, at least on the issue of these paintings, did succeed in showing that the weird discs and globes are NOT UFOs and are a standard motif in the Christian iconography going way back. Did Greer and co. REALLY "borrow" footage without credit from a strict debunking film, or was that just my fevered imagination???
I really don't know how far Greer has gone towards the point-of-no-return in cult leadership, but the "commander" bit and the "we're doing the Secret Fifth Protocol of the Elders of CSETI" commercial breaks in the midst of all the nonsense that is Sirius told me all is not right, not right at all.
I happened to meet the Bo/Peep aka the Two cultists before they committed suicide (or were offed by the NSA for knowing too much, according to Sean David who shall not be named and "science guy" Jim McCanney, apparently). I remember asking one of them, on a panel of four, about sex in their "astronaut training program," and I remember a large indignant unidentified man (with a high squeeky voice!) standing up in the audience of this public venue and more or less telling me to get lost if I couldn't get with their recruitment drive program. I'm pretty sure that was "Marshall Applewhite" (which always sounded like a porn, not a real name, to me--is Marshall a first name, or is it supposed to mean "Space Marshall and Supreme Commander?"). He seemed pretty irate. I guess I did follow up my first question about sex with one about masturbation, because the answer to the first was an evasive "sex is not part of the program." My whole general impression of the group at that time led me to believe they would commit mass suicide when they were deprived of entering The Next Level and their mothership didn't come in. Turned out I was only half-right: they committed mass suicide WHEN their mothership came in. Or were murdered by jackbooted truncheon-and-yogurt-wielding NSA thugs.
tl;dr: it's a short walk from the bridge of the USS Enterprise to total madness and ejection into the void in a garbage scow-shuttle.
I liked the DMR episode and the fellow who said the audience at whom the film was aimed would not notice the lack of continuity because they/we are so used to connecting all the dots ourselves, even the ones that aren't really there! Very good stuff.
I really don't know how far Greer has gone towards the point-of-no-return in cult leadership, but the "commander" bit and the "we're doing the Secret Fifth Protocol of the Elders of CSETI" commercial breaks in the midst of all the nonsense that is Sirius told me all is not right, not right at all.
I happened to meet the Bo/Peep aka the Two cultists before they committed suicide (or were offed by the NSA for knowing too much, according to Sean David who shall not be named and "science guy" Jim McCanney, apparently). I remember asking one of them, on a panel of four, about sex in their "astronaut training program," and I remember a large indignant unidentified man (with a high squeeky voice!) standing up in the audience of this public venue and more or less telling me to get lost if I couldn't get with their recruitment drive program. I'm pretty sure that was "Marshall Applewhite" (which always sounded like a porn, not a real name, to me--is Marshall a first name, or is it supposed to mean "Space Marshall and Supreme Commander?"). He seemed pretty irate. I guess I did follow up my first question about sex with one about masturbation, because the answer to the first was an evasive "sex is not part of the program." My whole general impression of the group at that time led me to believe they would commit mass suicide when they were deprived of entering The Next Level and their mothership didn't come in. Turned out I was only half-right: they committed mass suicide WHEN their mothership came in. Or were murdered by jackbooted truncheon-and-yogurt-wielding NSA thugs.
tl;dr: it's a short walk from the bridge of the USS Enterprise to total madness and ejection into the void in a garbage scow-shuttle.
I liked the DMR episode and the fellow who said the audience at whom the film was aimed would not notice the lack of continuity because they/we are so used to connecting all the dots ourselves, even the ones that aren't really there! Very good stuff.
nameless
Paranormal Adept
Took a while to get round to this. Thanks for the show Don et al. Great forum of discussion however I feel that it was too one sided and in so doing did not flesh out all the bS with Greer. Really good to hear DB and particularly as an experiencer and professional broadcaster, he has a voice which is sorely missed in this field.
nameless, you lament that Greer was not there to present his side? Well .. the fact of the matter is Greer will not speak to me. I am not a believer .. I refuse to pay to attend their functions ... I was UFO Magazine and we listed them in our "Cult or Cutting Edge" issue of UFO, I took them to task before on my 1st radio program UFOs Tonite! and embarrassed them. He knows I will never buy into what he is selling. So, you should not be surprised that his voice was absent.
Decker
General Misconception
Skilled Investigator
I talked once to a guy in Toronto who represents MUFON, it sounds like even they dont trust him and hus intractions with them have been sketch at best if at all.
Umm I am afraid of what you might think of me if I say this, but it must be said: The loony tunes out there like Greer and the Prophet YHWH dude have seeming stumbled upon something that is legit. At least from my experience because I managed to recreate the results not once but twice. There is something about this meditation idea ( however vauge the term can be for now. I may elaborate forther elsewhere) that connections can be made to the technology of other civilisations. Im mot saying it works every time. All im saying is I did it and it worked, for what its worth. Im interested in pursuing the reaserch on meditatin that the western sciences have been conducting for some time now, its actually quite facinating.
But Greer gives me the creeps, his creepy grin everytime he goes to do a presentation is so fake.
Umm I am afraid of what you might think of me if I say this, but it must be said: The loony tunes out there like Greer and the Prophet YHWH dude have seeming stumbled upon something that is legit. At least from my experience because I managed to recreate the results not once but twice. There is something about this meditation idea ( however vauge the term can be for now. I may elaborate forther elsewhere) that connections can be made to the technology of other civilisations. Im mot saying it works every time. All im saying is I did it and it worked, for what its worth. Im interested in pursuing the reaserch on meditatin that the western sciences have been conducting for some time now, its actually quite facinating.
But Greer gives me the creeps, his creepy grin everytime he goes to do a presentation is so fake.