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Why discuss my thoughts on these forums with someone who has apparently never actually listened to the show which supports said forums? I certainly don't claim to have answers to the "alien" question, but I have indeed had a wide range of paranormal experiences, and there's an entire aspect to my interest in these topics which has never been discussed on the show, and never will be - but the fact remains, you've come on here and put forth Michael Salla as a source of useful information, while I feel he has absolutely nothing to contribute to the discussion. I'm on the fence about Corse, but I am squarely in the camp that not a single element of any recovered technology has actually ever been successfully understood, and I have strong reasons to feel that this is the case, and is a large part of the reason for the complete lack of disclosure and further attempts to marginalize the topic on the part of the powers that be.

But you're so smart, you already seem to know the aswers to the great mysteries, so why even bother pretending that you want to engage in a "discussion"? You're one of the folks who claim that the space brothers are here to save us from ourselves, as if that made any logical - or scientific - sense. You offer up the same nonsense and conjecture that we've read many times before, and have nothing to support your claims. So why should anyone care what you think? I certainly don't.

The only credentials that I bring forward to the paranormal topics are my experience as an image processing expert, my background as a technologist, and my personal interest in the paranormal based on my lifelong experiences in the realm. Looking at your brief bio, you like trees and poetry, cool, but certainly not exactly what I would call scientific training. And as far as my attitude towards your post, again, it's your own ignorance regarding my show that leads you to make the comments you did, I'm highly opinionated and don't suffer fools lightly. if you want to come on her and quote M. Sala, you're going to get your head handed to you. Anything that comes out of him or the people associated with him is subject to instant dismissal in these parts, and there's nothing that you can say that will change that. Our minds are open, but not enough that our brains are falling onto the floor.

dB
 
I started to read the first chapter of LuBuono's book, and oh yeah, it's a collection of pop UFO culture references, Roswell, Meier, Sparks, Cooper, Boylan, Verdants, Jack Schulman/ACC fabrication, Stevie Greer, and the audacious claim that the author knows how the mental processes of extraterrestrials work, as well as being intimately familiar with their goals, motivations, psychology and so forth. In other words, a rather putrid load of utter and absolute
BULLSHIT

So yeah, I'll go on the record and state that LuBuono appears to be yet another useless dolt in the moronic UFO sandbox. He believes in any nonsense handed him, and his "logic" consists of simple regurgitation of fabrications and crap, with a big added helping of his own ego and uninformed opinions. A complete waste of time to anyone looking for useful insights regarding the UFO enigma.

dB
 
GeorgeLoBuono said:
"Working brains," David. Some of us take physics literally. Since a brain doesn't move objects in time, I'll assume you aren't a scientist. Seriously, since you're an adiministrator I'm disappointed to see you jump in so quickly to try to squelch contrary thinking. And what is the discussion about? Alien contact and telepathy. Other boards try to leave it as wide open as is the subject area--about which few of us can be smug.

David, is your work in sci fi fiction "credentials" for an alien, and or alien science discussion? A breakout subject like aliens is so far out of the box, so much beyond the mainstream notion of convention, that it isn't about credentials, per se. It's about the evidence, the logic, the sources, and the basic scientific rigor of your discussion. This is not an old topic taught in universities, so it takes fresh approaches and an open mind. I'll respect your opinions, even welcome your departures, but I won't try to cut you off. Here's a basic test: consider what you write here as though we're in an auditorium, any normal venue, and polite exchange of ideas proceeds, very publicly. Is that last statement of yours up to that very basic minimum?

I know I'm probably 5-10 years older than you, David, and I've debated a number of well trained PhD's on the subject--I invite their challenges. It's a good way to weed out errors. I also know some PhD's who respect my work--I just got a grant from the chair of a well known Cambridge foundation that has worked this subject area---to put my ebook into print. So please, David. Discuss specifics, not mocking tones, wholesale dismissals (without a single word about the details), and personalized redress.
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jesus christ buddy.

At least listen to an episode of the show or do 3 secs of research before posting. You are making a fool out of yourself.

There are so many incorrect assumptions in that post. Im stunned actually.

Its clear you posted to drive traffic to your site/book. It certainly wasnt out of any interest in the Paracast.

hilarious.
 
Oh, and I took the liberty of removing the link to this idiot's website and book, he doesn't merit the benefit of directing folks here to his nonsense. Anyone wants his crap, google him.

dB
 
But, but, but.... David. It was so humorous! I just laughed myself silly. I know I shouldn't make fun of a person's appearance. After all, Susan Boyle has a very nice voice. But when I got to the author picture it just looked like he'd stuck a fork in a light socket and had a 'profound' experience. It's like Jerry Springer says: You can't make this stuff up.
 
David, I noticed that you've done some interesting special effects work with Industrial Light and Magic, which would be good prep for examining purported shots/video of alien disks. That's a worthy area of expertise, but I can only answer politely--part of the reason for that is that in the thousands of hours of interactions with aliens on my part (that kind of thing happens to some, believe it or not), none of their act has been bombastuous or contemptuous (although sometimes disdainful). They must interact with many kinds, so a different attitude prevails, more open in one sense, albeit sometimes overly controlling. Actually, I came here to stimulate conversation—the site mailed itself to me, which is fine. It's good to cross-pollinate. I only did grad work in US history, then some investigative reporting, but the good critical judgement in such helps. I welcome disagreement--I'd even argue with David on-air, if he wanted to. *I mentioned my book (which is free, not a money thing at all) only to let anyone who wants to check my reasoning.

I've traveled to dictatorships to report on them, on radio and in print. In grad school, we had to look at an entire globe's politics, the murky world of CIA and very ugly, real world truths of corrupt regimes and power politics---not poetry and trees. The truth is, I haven't listened to the show yet--I'm still using dialup, but I'll give it a listen. My feeling is that Gene is a fairly humble person, judging from his bio, so I would expect a polite reception there. He asked me to be a friend on Facebook. I enjoy a challenge, however.

And if you read any of what I wrote, David, you'd note that I'm not a friendly 'space brothers' accolyte. Instead, I offer criticisms of aliens in a larger context than most such discussions delve into. I work very real, living sources. Every quote in my book is accurate reporting of others' statements. Otherwise I wouldn’t have ventured to write on such a subject. Personally, I think that unspoken aspect of your interest in paranormal topics may be worth talking about—it sounds as though it registers strongly. If you think it’s real, you may find that others agree and appreciate the discussion.

Finally--although probably not finally on this site, it seems, Michael Salla makes some errors and may think certain aliens are proven real--although the jury is still out, but he's like any political analyst. Some will always disagree. More to the point, Salla is making history, along with Andre Webre, in taking the time to develop a critical exopolitical analysis. Sure, you may think some or much of it wrong, but within a matter of some indeterminate years, every major university on this planet will have entire departments devoted to exopolitics. And if that's the case, Salla's work deserves a cursory read. I think the exopolitical perspective is that we're so far past first contact that a more extensive, methodical analysis of what we know must be done. David Jacobs moved abduction research into a more analytical discussion; Salla merely does similarly (albeit with less obvious data). Maybe you deride the exopoliticos, but it's useful to know where they're going with it. Salla isn't Angelika Whitecliff.

Also, David's right about another aspect: we certainly don't fully understand alien technology. The ecological dangers of full planetary use of scalar energy systems aren't adequately appreciated by violent/controlling regime, at present, although they do see that changes must come before we're competent in such regard. Some still think alien technology is about unlimited "free" energy, but it surely isn't free. It taxes the local continuum.

On a video he made, James Gilliland has a piece on a scalar energy researcher. (I’m not trying to endorse James, but the inventor is interesting). Gilliland shows the man tinkering with an overunity device (spinning wheels and who knows what) and says that a larger model of the same device was troublesome: it began to lift up into the air--so the guy tried to grab it but it broke his arm then smashed through the ceiling. The last he saw of it, it was heading toward the sun at thousands of miles per hour. If true, that would show the possibly tricky "gravitic" aspect of electrogravity/magnetogravity.
 
Sigh...

And now he has to bring up Alfred "Alien Particle Beam Tech Brought Down the Twin Towers" Webre... for fuck's sake, when is enough enough?

And "thousands of hours of interactions with aliens on my part"... I'm speechless.

I can't do this, really.

dB
 
GeorgeLoBuono said:
Salla is making history, along with Andre Webre, in taking the time to develop a critical exopolitical analysis. Sure, you may think some or much of it wrong, but within a matter of some indeterminate years, every major university on this planet will have entire departments devoted to exopolitics.
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It's always a question of "indeterminate years" with this kind of goop, whether it's exopolitics or pre-millenial "Jesus is coming" evangelicals. Same story, different channel.

As for Salla, he isn't making history, he's living in a fantasy world, as is Webre, which is why no self-respecting institution of higher learning will have anything to do with them.

I'm with David on this.

PK
 
Thank you, Paul.

Seriously, Salla and Webre are "making history"? How can someone who makes this statement expect to be taken seriously by those of us who are trying to get some genuine understanding of the situation? Webre is a fucking lunatic, and Sala is a blight on the idea of creating any sense of movement towards legitimacy. They will never be taken seriously by anyone outside of their little band of synchophants, and to think otherwise is to be seriously delusional.

The more time I spend in this sandbox, the more uncomfortable I'm getting, coming to the realization that the number of people who are thoughful about these topics could almost fill a phonebooth...

dB
 
So, Georgie. This site mailed itself to you. You're on dial-up, and you have thousands of hours of contact with aliens. Georgie, you're delusional. Why not visit ATS or Bill Birnes. You'll get a good reception there. They'll believe anything.

God, this is the weekend of the loonies. Where do these people come from. Do they actually expect to be taken seriously?
 
Schuyler said:
So, Georgie. This site mailed itself to you. You're on dial-up, and you have thousands of hours of contact with aliens. Georgie, you're delusional. Why not visit ATS or Bill Birnes. You'll get a good reception there. They'll believe anything.

God, this is the weekend of the loonies. Where do these people come from. Do they actually expect to be taken seriously?
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I have to admit that I had a good chuckle at a guy who is in direct contact with aliens also being on dial-up. Surely they could have beemed some more current tech down from the mothership, or Zeta Reticuli, or wherever they hail from. :rolleyes:
 
GeorgeLoBuono said:
I just got a grant from the chair of a well known Cambridge foundation that has worked this subject area---to put my ebook into print. So please, David. Discuss specifics.
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Very well. Specifics.

Such as - the name of the Cambridge foundation. That would be a nice place to start.
 
Webre was asked by President Jimmy Carter to work on a disclosure related project. So, he's taken seriously--can you match that? I'm leery of his 2012 drift, but his show covers new ground. Look at his numbers.

Paul, those flying disks seen and filmed by so many aren't illusions. As you suggest, aliens are at least thousands of years ahead of us, but the language of ideas isn't that difficult to communicate. Our language is easy to learn, so we can be understood, hence, for them, communication isn't like addressing an ant. And I agree, Friedman is still stuck in a different decade, but old school people tend to be more conventional about new claims, new cases.

And abuctions? All made up by people who had no way of knowing each other, each others' details, the same exact delusion spread across the globe before such people had the means to inform one another of their observations?

Finally, I have some issues with Salla, myself. Lumurians, the benign helpful notion of human-looking aliens (working abductions, too, reportedly), the Iraq e.t. tech story, Sitchin, winged reptilians, Alex Collier, the nature and origin of so-called "Pleiadians," etc. Salla's best stuff, which others DO take seriously: early White House policies on e.t.'s, the Rockefeller role in removing US presidents from direct control of reported e.t. issues and any downed tech, some of the basic logistics of possible disclosure, and the question of possible e.t. presence at some point witnessed by whistleblowers.

I'd point out that this entire subject can easily be called hogwash. In other words, show me an alien, prove that any alien ever visited here. Where are the artifacts, the direct witness crowds, the impacts that such would inevitably have on human society? It's easy to dismiss the entire subject. But too many life-and-death dead-on reliable people have directly seen such, i.e. Gordon Cooper and many of CSETI's witnesses. *By saying that, I'm not asking to believe everything Greer says (David, I'd like to hear your explanation of e.t. science and technology. I noticed you like Lazar's account, which would be a whole new kind of science. The implications of that kind of stretching of space-time would equally apply to communications. It would be the exact same kind of science. And how is it possible? If it's happening, this planet and its science would be relatively backward, still struggling over basics that a 10 year-old alien would be expected to have detailed knowledge about.

And if any of what we hear about aliens is true, then a new physics paradigm is far, far advanced in at least some classified labs. But, as Michio Kaku seems to suggest, we'd have to think about that long before it's made public. The new physics of dark states, scalar categories, marginally faster-than-light science, and what physicists Laughlin and Chapline call "quantum critical phase transition," in which time appears to literally slow down at the edge of some superconductors, plus "negative energy"---all of it suggests that the discussion needs to be expanded to catch up with the change that has already occurred.
 
LoBuono,

As you've never actually heard The Paracast, you know nothing about me, my experiences or thoughts on this subject. With every word you type on here, you dig yourself deeper and deeper into a pit with the sign "ignorant twit" hanging above it. I will not honor you with any further responses, you're not worth another nanosecond of my time or consideration.

Oh, and your next post better be a response to Paul's direct question to you, if not, you will be banned from here. Am I clear?

dB
 
The thing is, I'm sure that there are folks who might feel like I'm being a bit harsh with some of these people, but I don't want the signal to noise ratio to go too low - and, for my money, this guy is all about the noise. He wants to strut around with pronouncements and proclamations, but when Paul tried to get him to give just one relevant piece of information that was not part of his little rant, he just said no. To me, to display that kind of arrogance on top of the rest of his spew, just makes him intolerable to the extreme. He comes on here and presumes to tell me what I think of these topics, of specific people and claims, without ever actually fucking listening to the show? No way, I just don't have the patience for that brand of bullshit on a scorching hot April day. And I won't even go into that picture of him on his site, which is truly disturbing, and is likely to give me nightmares, which just pisses me off bigtime. So yeah, I banned his ugly mug. I'm trying to live up to my reputation as a troublemaker, what can I say? :cool:

dB
 
I should probably take a hiatus. I'm getting more easily annoyed with these scmucks who put themselves on an ill-deserved soapbox and pontificate away about space aliens or CD-ROMs found in ancient Egypt. I'm all for free speech--to a point. This IS a 'private' forum, but I see no reason why all of us cannot be held to a higher standard and be moderated accordingly. I know sometimes stuff is borderline and a judgment call, but I have no problem at all with the way this was handled. I kmow if it got a lot busier here it would be much more difficult. You wouldn't want it to turn into the train wreck that is ATS. So kudos are warranted. And I surely agree about that picture. That's going to be difficult to get out of my mind. :eek:

Hey, did you hear the one about the moron and his camel? Someone asked him what sex it was and the guy says he's sure it is male. 'How do you know?' he was asked. 'Because everywhere I go people look and point over to me and say, 'Look at the schmuck on that camel!' Is that an old one? Sorry. Just trying to recover.
 
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