Greg Bishop discusses Contactees, the Integratron and Giant Rock

[David Biedny]

Schuyler,

PLEASE don't take a hiatus, you're on of the folks here who keeps me coming back myself. LuBuono has been emailing both Gene and myself today, trying to come across as a reasonable, rational person. Whatever, lately I've had a lot less patience myself with these people, and have been on a bit of a banning binge. The good members here give me hope, so pretty please, don't go, Schuyler. With sugar on top.

dB

 

[Gareth]

Nah schuyler aint going anywhere. Where else is he going to his comments thanked by one or more anonymous people?

Nowhere. Thats where.

 

[TerraX]

Perhaps we should get back on topic?

I wonder where Greg (Bishop) has gone, but I guess he's busy with projects of his own. Yesterday I was browsing on the ATS forum and came across this;
Human Looking Aliens and Why Society Does Not Speak of Them (Exo-HK), page 1
Turns out another guy by the name of Neil Gould tried out an experiment with telepathy and had surprising results.

The writer of this paper recently emulated an experiment which Timothy Good himself had carried out. On January 18th, 2009 he visited a restaurant in Hong Kong with his family and a woman business associate. In the corner was a local Chinese girl sitting with two olive skinned people, a man and a woman... Their features were more chiseled than normal and were extremely striking and beautiful. In jest the writer said to his son Jake, “Watch, I bet they are ETs, I will ask her mentally to touch her nose”. She did so and all the family giggled at the coincidence. The writer decided to repeat the challenge and Jake requested him to mentally ask the girl to run her fingers through her hair. Within ten seconds she did just that. The family group became very quiet, perhaps even nervous. The writer’s wife then asked that they try to mentally ask her to drop the little blue pack of tissues (that restaurants hand out), on the ground. They all experimented with this mental request and waited more than 10 minutes. Nothing happened and a sense of relief surrounded the table. Rather disappointed the writer called for the bill and when they left the restaurant he looked back one more time. Both strangers were staring at him with a very warm smile. The writer looked at the table; the tissues were still there, but when he looked at the ground, there was another blue pack lying on the floor. The emotions threw everyone into a state of bewilderment. The writer realized that their last action was one of plausible deniability, a message in itself to leave them in peace, free of any unnecessary attention.

'The experiment' was based on an experience Timothy Good had and wrote about in his book 'Alien Base'. Here's another guy by the name of David Hughes-Narborough who experimented with the same thing;
Close encounter with a 'Nordic'.

Oh, you thought the contactee movement was a "thing" of the past?

 

[Chuckleberryfinn]

Perhaps we should get back on topic?

I wonder where Greg (Bishop) has gone, but I guess he's busy with projects of his own. Yesterday I was browsing on the ATS forum and came across this;
Human Looking Aliens and Why Society Does Not Speak of Them (Exo-HK), page 1
Turns out another guy by the name of Neil Gould tried out an experiment with telepathy and had surprising results.


'The experiment' was based on an experience Timothy Good had and wrote about in his book 'Alien Base'. Here's another guy by the name of David Hughes-Narborough who experimented with the same thing;
Close encounter with a 'Nordic'.

Oh, you thought the contactee movement was a "thing" of the past?

Why not ask them to do something that eliminates plausible deniability? For example, ask them to get up from the table, approach you, and ask if they can borrow your salt and pepper shakers? Now THAT would be something to report about. This touching your nose and hair business does not impress me, nor does the guy seeing people smile while there is a blue packet on the floor. Moreover, do realize that this is only a story posted on an internet message board. We have absolutely no reason to believe that it actually happened.

 

[Gareth]

I have seen some of the stuff Neil Gould supports and lets just say hes not someone I would ever take seriously.

Squarely in the Exoplitics / Webre / Paola Harris / Salas / bullshit camp.

 

[TerraX]

Why not ask them to do something that eliminates plausible deniability? For example, ask them to get up from the table, approach you, and ask if they can borrow your salt and pepper shakers? Now THAT would be something to report about.

Timothy Good also wrote about another experience he had in the late 50s or early 60s. He wanted to visit Adamski but was unable to meet him. In a restaurant in California he noticed a woman who was standing in cue who reminded him of descriptions made by Adamski. Good formulated the question in his mind; 'are you an alien?' What happend next was that the woman walked up to his table, looked him straight in the eyes, smiled and made a little bow before returning to her own table.

Like in the other stories there are responses to mental questions but I doubt that stories like the one from Timothy Good are satisfactory as well. But by all means, think it's just a strange coincedence when other people respond to questions made by the mind. If that's beyond your comfort zone, than just dismiss it.

This touching your nose and hair business does not impress me, nor does the guy seeing people smile while there is a blue packet on the floor. Moreover, do realize that this is only a story posted on an internet message board. We have absolutely no reason to believe that it actually happened.

That's what I figured.

 

[TerraX]

I have seen some of the stuff Neil Gould supports and lets just say hes not someone I would ever take seriously.

Squarely in the Exoplitics / Webre / Paola Harris / Salas / bullshit camp.

Well, to be honest I don't know much about Neil Gould. But I have a question though. If the UFO phenomenon turns out to be extraterrestrial or extra-dimensional how would you label the movement that deals with it on a political level?
What those Exopolitics people do is accept that the UFOs are ETs. That's all there is to it, and not that farfetched when you think about it. Do they make mistakes? Of course they do. There isn't enough solid information so they make a lot of assumptions. Yet at the heart of the matter they may very well be on the right track. People like Webre take a high risk approach and make some outlandish claims in the process, for which they suffer credibility wise. But is everything bullshit when you really think about it?

 

[Gareth]

Sorry but there is no way you can paint them in a sane light.

The mission statement is something like "The promotion of healthy human/ET Relations".

Give me a fucking break.

 

[TerraX]

Sorry but there is no way you can paint them in a sane light.
The mission statement is something like "The promotion of healthy human/ET Relations".
Give me a fucking break.

You know Gareth, I could easily respond in the same tone that you do and conduct a little ego-bruising in the process. But I wont, for some time now I've been fed up with the UFO field and the people that are in it. There's so much selfish reasoning that it is no wonder that UFOs remain a mystery. Even people who acknowledge UFOs are real wont go beyond a certain point. They simply can't, yet they do reprimand people who go beyond their comfort zone.
I think UFOs tell much more about ourselves as humans then what they actually might be. In case you didn't notice Gareth, this post is an olive branch.

 

[Gareth]

You know Gareth, I could easily respond in the same tone that you do and conduct a little ego-bruising in the process. But I wont, for some time now I've been fed up with the UFO field and the people that are in it. There's so much selfish reasoning that it is no wonder that UFOs remain a mystery. Even people who acknowledge UFOs are real wont go beyond a certain point. They simply can't, yet they do reprimand people who go beyond their comfort zone.
I think UFOs tell much more about ourselves as humans then what they actually might be. In case you didn't notice Gareth, this post is an olive branch.

Did you take my post as attacking you Terrax?

I was making a generalised comment about ExoPolitics. I in no way meant to be 'challenging' you or even lumping you in with that crowd.

Sorry if it came across that way. chalk another one up to sterile, emotionless world of text based communication.

 

[Tommy Allison]

"Working brains," David. Some of us take physics literally. Since a brain doesn't move objects in time, I'll assume you aren't a scientist. Seriously, since you're an adiministrator I'm disappointed to see you jump in so quickly to try to squelch contrary thinking. And what is the discussion about? Alien contact and telepathy. Other boards try to leave it as wide open as is the subject area--about which few of us can be smug.

David, is your work in sci fi fiction "credentials" for an alien, and or alien science discussion? A breakout subject like aliens is so far out of the box, so much beyond the mainstream notion of convention, that it isn't about credentials, per se. It's about the evidence, the logic, the sources, and the basic scientific rigor of your discussion. This is not an old topic taught in universities, so it takes fresh approaches and an open mind. I'll respect your opinions, even welcome your departures, but I won't try to cut you off. Here's a basic test: consider what you write here as though we're in an auditorium, any normal venue, and polite exchange of ideas proceeds, very publicly. Is that last statement of yours up to that very basic minimum?

I know I'm probably 5-10 years older than you, David, and I've debated a number of well trained PhD's on the subject--I invite their challenges. It's a good way to weed out errors. I also know some PhD's who respect my work--I just got a grant from the chair of a well known Cambridge foundation that has worked this subject area---to put my ebook into print. So please, David. Discuss specifics, not mocking tones, wholesale dismissals (without a single word about the details), and personalized redress.

Are you fucking serious? You're going off on David? Seriously, you have absolutely NO idea what this forum is about do you?

 

[Tommy Allison]

Sorry but there is no way you can paint them in a sane light.

The mission statement is something like "The promotion of healthy human/ET Relations".

Give me a fucking break.

Gareth, you're starting to sound like me. I might have to charge you a licensing fee.