he who shall not be named ALERT!!!

[mike]

i have a number of toy guns myself, copys of the guns from robocop, logans run and starwars, and looking at the data above i would say this photo is of a scratch built nature almost definatly using the superjet ray gun, not only is the red part a perfect match the trigger is also distictive in length and shape and again a match.

on the principle trick me once shame on you, trick me twice shame on ME. i would have to say there is nothing about this source worth considering as part of the UFO question.

this is what makes the Paracast such an effective tool in sorting out the wheat from the chaff, by winowing out this crap data we are left with the stuff of value, and that brings us closer to a correct understanding of whats going on

 

[TerraX]

I have a theory that the "alien" in the ray gun photos is actually Meier's wife, Kalliope.

I'm not to sure about that. If my memory serves me right Kalliope hinted that another woman came to the FIGU center and she remarked "what is she doing here". (She didn't name that person.) Prior to the shoot of the raygun pics and movie people were asked to leave. I don't recall exactly where I read or saw this but the source is probably (either) Korff and/or Swiss investigator Luc Buergin.

 

[CapnG]

Am I wrong in thinking that the body is enough in frame that the face should be showing unless this person has a giant, thick head of hair or a wig covering it? Perhaps he was abducted by Kiss.

If the woman (I assume based on the physical frame) had her head turned to the left while holding the gun to the right, part of the profile might have been visible, explaining the sliver of obviously removed photo.

 

[TerraX]

If you're really bored you should check out 'Meier apostle' Jim Deardorff's 'refutation' of Royce Myers. Deardorff also comes to the aid of "he who shall not be named".
http://www.tjresearch.info/Debunk%20by%20Royce.htm
Anyone notice a particular mindset here?

 

[TerraX]

New development . I found the MiB cullprit who forged some of Billy Meier's photographs! It's none other then 'Frank the Pug' from the MiB movies. Evidence is right in this photograph.

Nasty!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_the_Pug
Need I say more?

 

[jritzmann]

If you're really bored you should check out 'Meier apostle' Jim Deardorff's 'refutation' of Royce Myers. Deardorff also comes to the aid of "he who shall not be named".

Deardorff is a hardcore Meierite, and frequently posts his "refutations" regarding image analysis...when he knows nothing (and it's glaringly obvious) about imaging to start with.

It's all par for the course.

 

[mike]

if there is one thing about the UFO story that seems to run on a theme, its that governments retreive and cover up the retreival of alien tech. roswell being the classic example.
the aust RAAF (air force) does it too and and are forthright in the reason why, people that report a crashed craft for example may simply have the identity of the object wrong, it could well be a russian aircraft and as such warrants a look see for reasons of national security.

if this gun were real, YOU WOULD NOT BE SEEING PICTURES OF IT.
it would be retrieved and any reference to it erased, so that its nature cant be ascertained by anyone else and possibly countered or worse reverse engineered.
we learned our lesson with the atom bomb, one country builds a working bomb, and everybody else steals the plans and builds their own. the advantage is having the tech all to yourself, and ensuring the "otherside" doesnt.

if these were working alien guns, i submit that by the roswell principle you would not be seeing them

unless of course the "real" guns have been taken, and the plastic props are just "weather ballons",

either way it puts the whole BM casebook out of the picture in my view, id rather dismiss 10 semi plausible cases , than accept one fraud.
this case is less than plausible in my view and well and truly one for the FRAUD bin

though i find the frank the pug aspect compelling

 

[valiens]

Any gun experts in here? What purpose would that long plastic piece extending to the wrist serve, besides it looked cool to us as kids when we bought these guns?

 

[jritzmann]

Any gun experts in here? What purpose would that long plastic piece extending to the wrist serve, besides it looked cool to us as kids when we bought these guns?

It's purpose would likely be a trigger guard, or at least thats what maybe we're to believe.

Thats just what I'd want in a deadly laser gun...a trigger guard I could get my head thru.

 

[CapnG]

I just wasted five seconds wondering why telepathic aliens wouldn't have thought-activated weapons thus eleviating the need for both trigger and guard...

 

[ward]

New development . I found the MiB cullprit who forged some of Billy Meier's photographs! It's none other then 'Frank the Pug' from the MiB movies. Evidence is right in this photograph.

Nasty!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_the_Pug
Need I say more?

wow is that the actual ray gun the aliens gave him? did anyone ever take a picture while it was actually being fired? or where visual effects like in star trek to expensive to make in those days....

honestly that picture is all the proof i need, its pretty impressive

 

[mike]

id still like to DNA test a sample of that pugs hair

 

[Filer of False Complaints]

I thought BM aliens had 7 fingers...

I got the video from a bit-torrent. I thought the production was actually pretty good. You guys are famous now, lol. He mentions you on C2C and his video... what next.

 

[derekcbart]

Hi there.

I just checked out Google Video and all of the pieces of the DVD are online. I'm not as familiar with Google Video and I cannot figure out who posted these online. I'd love it if someone could point out who actually posted these videos.

The Main Film:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8609116884386925150

Special Features:
The Skeptic (my section):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=641340242969957707

The Song:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4852555880138407827

The History (if you thought Horn was nuts, just wait until you see this):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8566740558965439532

The Trailer:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-111276958492715563

Enjoy.

-Derek

 

[TerraX]

Well, 'he who shall not be named' resurfaced and is trompeting some sort of victory so it seems on another forum;
http://www.department47.com/viewtopic.php?p=8667#8667
I didn't bother to check out his new articles, like that will be a balanced review or something. But didn't he get caught over on the ATS forum using alternate identities and playing rolegames? I should ask him about this I suppose.

 

[derekcbart]

I just took a look at his claims that I "retracted" my statement that the case was hoax. Of course, I never retracted anything. He then goes on to further BS claims and incorrectly quoting message board posts. It is really kinda pathetic that this is what he is reduced to doing since he has been banned from practically every UFO message board.

Of course, it does reinforce the annoyance that I have that I actually have a life and do not have the time to spend every waking moment considering the case like Horn does. When someone has nothing but time on their hands to promote a case they seem to think that other people have nothing but time on their hands to refute the case.

One more thing Michael, since you are reading this, I posted the above links to the DVD videos because I wanted to see if anyone here could figure out who had posted them. I found it odd that this particular Google Video User Account only posted videos of your movie and your lectures. If it turns out that this Google Video User Account is yours then that means that you will have released your copyright on the film and put it into the public domain which would enable anyone to copy parts of it and use them for other purposes. That's all. Remember, I'm the one who works professionally in the entertainment industry so I'm not going to be advocating piracy.

 

[derekcbart]

Now here's a new and interesting twist.

The Plejaren Yahoo Group is now claiming that it was Billy Meier and the Plejarens who requested that the Gaiaguys website be taken down when, in fact, it was the Australian government that took it down because the owners of the site were breaking the law and are now in prison.

Here are the two relevant links on their Yahoo group thread:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plejarens_Are_Real_2005/message/13081
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plejarens_Are_Real_2005/message/13088

The crazy really hurts my brain from time to time.

-Derek

 

[Aspie]

Videos seem to have been taken down. Any new links? I could do with a laugh

 

[Tommy Allison]

We live in a world of over 6 Billion people.

To think that space aliens would choose a fruitcake like Billy Meier to contact with great frequency, let alone have him speak on their behalf tells me that the aliens are a bunch of interstellar retards on a drunken bender.

Or... That Billy Meier is simply full of shit.

 

[TerraX]

http://www.department47.com/viewtopic.php?p=8667#8667
But didn't he get caught over on the ATS forum using alternate identities and playing rolegames? I should ask him about this I suppose.

For those interested, this was his reply;

Actually, what I did - since they are too cowardly to allow me to respond to the idiots who post there attacking me - was to register, using a clear MichaelHorn email address and a different online handle.

The purpose of it was to see if my theory would be confirmed, i.e. that as soon as someone posted harsh, FACTUAL criticism of the debunkers, they would be removed from the board, since it's basically set up as a disnfo function.

If you go back and read it, if it's still there, you'll see that it turned out precisely that way. But as I said, I registered under a clear Michael Horn account so that they would "discover" it, meaning that I also thought that they would be concerned to find out just WHO would dare call out the failed bozos so accurately.

Despite his (loopy) 'explanation' let it be clear that he didn't identify himself and from my perspective he was just playing games. I and others seriously addressed his questions and he went along with that posing more. Mighty weird since it comes from the guy who quite often harshly reprimanded people for using nicknames on the internet.