Randall
J. Randall Murphy
So not this Hank Wesselman then: Hank Wesselman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ?
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Robert Baird
Paranormal Maven
Yes, he probably is Hank. But Wikipedia knows as much as the person is allowed to say - it is censored. And it is what many fools play with for fun. I find your 'tude' less than deserving and will await some evidence of thought before going further with you.
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
So on one hand you do mean the same Hank Wesselmann who, according to Wikkipedia, claims to have been in contact with "Nainoa", an ethnic Hawaiian kahuna (shaman) living some 5,000 years in our future, but on the other hand you say "It was not a yes." when I asked you if that was who you were referring to. I find it ironic that you would choose to wait for me to show "evidence of thought" when you yourself seem to be confused and have chosen to simply hand-wave the reference material.
Robert Baird
Paranormal Maven
I said:
The Hank Wesselmann who was on the team who found early man in Africa and who was tested at the University of Illinois (Chicago probably) for psychic power against yogis and psychic surgeons. He was able to get to the most powerful healing state the fastest and stay there the longest.
And yes, we can discuss the physics of Time Viewing and contact. That is the only way I can see any alien influences on Earth. But I see already you have no interest in discourse and have already jumped the Shark in the normal nonsensical ridicule so prevalent among cultists. I refer you to the academic post addressing this which was written by a former FBI man. It is just three or four posts up in this thread. Quote it if you want any further discussion.
Instead of quoting the scientific analysis of what cultists like you do, you are engaging in ridicule and I choose not to sink to that level - so be arf matey - to use one of your friend's allegories.
I quote that analysis in full so management can see what is going on.
"Stage 1: The Haters Gather
Irrational haters seldom hate alone. [10] They feel compelled, almost driven, to entreat others to hate as they do. Peer validation bolsters a sense of self-worth and, at the same time, prevents introspection, which reveals personal insecurities. [11] Further, individuals otherwise ineffective become empowered when they join groups, which also provide anonymity and diminished accountability.
Stage 2: The Hate Group Defines Itself
Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and mythologies, which enhance the members' status and, at the same time, degrade the object of their hate. For example, skinhead groups may adopt the swastika, the iron cross, the Confederate flag, and other supremacist symbols. Group-specific symbols or clothing often differentiate hate groups. Group rituals, such as hand signals and secret greetings, further fortify members. Hate groups, especially skinhead groups, usually incorporate some form of self-sacrifice, which allows haters to willingly jeopardize their well-being for the greater good of the cause. Giving one's life to a cause provides the ultimate sense of value and worth to life. [12] Skinheads often see themselves as soldiers in a race war.
Stage 3: The Hate Group Disparages the Target
Hate is the glue that binds haters to one another and to a common cause. [13] By verbally debasing the object of their hate, haters enhance their self-image, as well as their group status. In skinhead groups, racist song lyrics and hate literature provide an environment wherein hate flourishes. In fact, researchers have found that the life span of aggressive impulses increases with ideation. [14] In other words, the more often a person thinks about aggression, the greater the chance for aggressive behavior to occur. Thus, after constant verbal denigration, haters progress to the next more acrimonious stage.
Stage 4: The Hate Group Taunts the Target
Hate, by its nature, changes incrementally. Time cools the fire of hate, thus forcing the hater to look inward. To avoid introspection, haters use ever-increasing degrees of rhetoric and violence to maintain high levels of agitation. Taunts and offensive gestures serve this purpose. In this stage, skinheads typically shout racial slurs from moving cars or from afar. Nazi salutes and other hand signals often accompany racial epithets. Racist graffiti also begins to appear in areas where skinheads loiter. Most skinhead groups claim turf proximate to the neighborhoods in which they live. One study indicated that a majority of hate crimes occur when the hate target migrates through the hate group's turf. [15]
Stage 5: The Hate Group Attacks the Target Without Weapons
This stage is critical because it differentiates vocally abusive haters from physically abusive ones. In this stage, hate groups become more aggressive, prowling their turf seeking vulnerable targets. Violence coalesces hate groups and further isolates them from mainstream society. Skinheads, almost without exception, attack in groups and target single victims. Research has shown that bias crimes are twice as likely to cause injury and four times as likely to result in hospitalization as compared to nonbias crimes. [16]"
The Seven-Stage Hate Model The Psychopathology of Hate Groups - International Cultic Studies Association (ICSA)
The Hank Wesselmann who was on the team who found early man in Africa and who was tested at the University of Illinois (Chicago probably) for psychic power against yogis and psychic surgeons. He was able to get to the most powerful healing state the fastest and stay there the longest.
And yes, we can discuss the physics of Time Viewing and contact. That is the only way I can see any alien influences on Earth. But I see already you have no interest in discourse and have already jumped the Shark in the normal nonsensical ridicule so prevalent among cultists. I refer you to the academic post addressing this which was written by a former FBI man. It is just three or four posts up in this thread. Quote it if you want any further discussion.
Instead of quoting the scientific analysis of what cultists like you do, you are engaging in ridicule and I choose not to sink to that level - so be arf matey - to use one of your friend's allegories.
I quote that analysis in full so management can see what is going on.
"Stage 1: The Haters Gather
Irrational haters seldom hate alone. [10] They feel compelled, almost driven, to entreat others to hate as they do. Peer validation bolsters a sense of self-worth and, at the same time, prevents introspection, which reveals personal insecurities. [11] Further, individuals otherwise ineffective become empowered when they join groups, which also provide anonymity and diminished accountability.
Stage 2: The Hate Group Defines Itself
Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and mythologies, which enhance the members' status and, at the same time, degrade the object of their hate. For example, skinhead groups may adopt the swastika, the iron cross, the Confederate flag, and other supremacist symbols. Group-specific symbols or clothing often differentiate hate groups. Group rituals, such as hand signals and secret greetings, further fortify members. Hate groups, especially skinhead groups, usually incorporate some form of self-sacrifice, which allows haters to willingly jeopardize their well-being for the greater good of the cause. Giving one's life to a cause provides the ultimate sense of value and worth to life. [12] Skinheads often see themselves as soldiers in a race war.
Stage 3: The Hate Group Disparages the Target
Hate is the glue that binds haters to one another and to a common cause. [13] By verbally debasing the object of their hate, haters enhance their self-image, as well as their group status. In skinhead groups, racist song lyrics and hate literature provide an environment wherein hate flourishes. In fact, researchers have found that the life span of aggressive impulses increases with ideation. [14] In other words, the more often a person thinks about aggression, the greater the chance for aggressive behavior to occur. Thus, after constant verbal denigration, haters progress to the next more acrimonious stage.
Stage 4: The Hate Group Taunts the Target
Hate, by its nature, changes incrementally. Time cools the fire of hate, thus forcing the hater to look inward. To avoid introspection, haters use ever-increasing degrees of rhetoric and violence to maintain high levels of agitation. Taunts and offensive gestures serve this purpose. In this stage, skinheads typically shout racial slurs from moving cars or from afar. Nazi salutes and other hand signals often accompany racial epithets. Racist graffiti also begins to appear in areas where skinheads loiter. Most skinhead groups claim turf proximate to the neighborhoods in which they live. One study indicated that a majority of hate crimes occur when the hate target migrates through the hate group's turf. [15]
Stage 5: The Hate Group Attacks the Target Without Weapons
This stage is critical because it differentiates vocally abusive haters from physically abusive ones. In this stage, hate groups become more aggressive, prowling their turf seeking vulnerable targets. Violence coalesces hate groups and further isolates them from mainstream society. Skinheads, almost without exception, attack in groups and target single victims. Research has shown that bias crimes are twice as likely to cause injury and four times as likely to result in hospitalization as compared to nonbias crimes. [16]"
The Seven-Stage Hate Model The Psychopathology of Hate Groups - International Cultic Studies Association (ICSA)
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
We can see what you said. But what's your point? I mean just because Wesselmann thinks he's in contact with an ethnic Hawaiian kahuna (shaman) living some 5,000 years in our future doesn't mean he might not have something less nonsensical to contribute. Or maybe that's not even relevant to the point you're trying to make, which is what again? Try to stay focused please. Can you sum-up what Wesselmann has to do with this discussion in a single paragraph less than 10 lines long?
Robert Baird
Paranormal Maven
Ha, trolling and strolling
Not going or DOing
No direction
.....or question
Just trolling and growling
While quaking and making
Not me are you screwing
Not going or DOing
No direction
.....or question
Just trolling and growling
While quaking and making
Not me are you screwing
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
Well that's less than 10 lines alright, I'll give you that much. LOL. Too bad it doesn't contain anything of substance.
Robert Baird
Paranormal Maven
I notice the Nazi gang is encouraging and 'liking' each other avoid discussing Time effects such as contact demonstrated (even in the Wiki article). Is that because they don't wish exposure of their long held BELIEFS? Is it because they pretend to understand modern physics which clearly states Time is variable and a co-efficient? No doubt the same people will believe in alien intervention rather than the Philosopher's Stone which has been able to 'see' the future for many millennia.
Yes, it is 'easy' to denigrate Hank (who has more academic cred than any commenter on him at Wiki - IMO) but these same cretins who are here ridiculing Hank don't post what Wiki thinks of their BELIEFS nor do they engage in real discourse with me. Because they are not aware - of science or facts which prove 'see'ing and contact such as the great sages including Leonardo da Vinci have done for these many millennia.
But the discoveries of science keep confirming what has been known for tens of millennia. This week it was the pentaquark, last year the Indonesian ancient art, and the year before - the Higgs particles.
The troubling thing about this book is the presentation of Da Vinci as a semi-competent who needed a Franciscan monk's help. We like Francis of Assisi and don't doubt the church was watching over Leonardo just as they did all artists who were producing God's work. Yes, the church claimed all creative work was their property! They also controlled education just as they have in many places until this very day. Most likely Luca Pacioli (Franciscan) was under directions to keep Da Vinci in line and to make such things as we will see, remain hidden from the public. Da Vinci was before Galileo and you can be sure he would have met the usual gruesome heretical stake or fire after a few parts were titillated or cut along the way.
These are the words of the Catholic University academic which give a little insight to the conflict Da Vinci faced during these oppressive times when thought was even less well managed than today. "Leonardo and Luca Pacioli worked together for many years, and as we have seen, the intervention of Master Luca was decisive. Nevertheless there existed between the two categories a social and hierarchical conflict, even if no one had ever placed in doubt the supremacy of the liberal arts as the only depositories of true science. And the one who rose up resolutely against the exclusion of the mechanical arts from the sphere of science {Such deceit to call what the church allowed people to think of, as science.}, or as it was then known, 'philosophy' was Leonardo." (58)
The best part of the whole book for me is the bicycle. It has a chain drive mechanism that looks like a 19th century model of something he would have seen in the future. There are alternative futures and dissonance between them as I see it. His representation is not engineered so perfectly that he would have been able to inspect it however. It had no steering mechanism, for example. On top of the original drawing that was discovered long after the death of all parties is a childish drawing of a penis to look like a cat with legs. Still they don't actually use words to say he was 'gay' and we know he would say something about this if he was alive today. It is a certain thing about propaganda - great people become more manageable after they die - you can 'spin' their image to your hearts desire. In the case of Jesus they make him over every century! I guess all the priests abusing children across North America and the court awards have made them a little sensitive - can you say risk management? Can you say hypocrites? They still exclude 'gays' from all sorts of things and marriage is just one of them. Maybe this is the area 'master' Luca was most instructive to Da Vinci?! It is an area of their expertise but what Da Vinci was able to produce, is not.
"While they recognize the unmistakable nature of this machine, the few scholars who have examined the drawing are decidedly reluctant to admit its antiquity. Since the application of the chain-drive goes back only to the end of the 19th century, they propose a dating of the drawing within the early years of the present century. Such a hypothesis, however, collides with insurmountable difficulties: (1) The page in question remained hidden for almost four centuries, and it is unimaginable that 70 or 80 years ago a boy would have obtained from the directorship of the Biblioteca Ambrosiana the permission to view the codex, detach one or two of the pages, and then draw upon them and glue them back again. (2) Even in that case, he would have drawn a bicycle of a type then existent, not one of wood with wheelbarrow wheels, {And this imaginary child the academics try to say drew the cat/penis, would have been a pretty smart kid to know the name of Leonardo's pupil/model/lover. There is a small matter of his signature.} no means of steering, and the teeth of the central gear so squared off that they could not be fitted to the chain. (3) The odd toothed wheels and the chain coincide exactly with those drawn by Leonardo in Codex Madrid 1, folio 10 recto. (4) We cannot separate the bicycle from the other drawings visible in folios 132 verso and 133 verso of the Codex Atlanticus. Actually they were drawn when the pages were united at the two halves of one page. Reuniting them, we see that another hand has drawn, also in pencil and from left to right, two pornographic drawings obviously meant as a joke, over which, on the right side, is clearly written 'salaj', that is, Salai, the name of Leonardo's pupil, model and servant...To become a reality, the idea required the final solution of some challenging problems such as the matter of steering and the adaptation of the large squared off teeth with their jutting comers to the links of the chain... Salai entered Leonardo's house in 1490, aged 10." (59)
How did Leonardo draw about half of the design of such as bike? The best answer is that he looked into the 'Philosopher's Stone' of his patron/alchemist or he developed one of his own like Nostradamus. It is not an easy thing to do, but I think he could have done it. If he actually traveled through time (spirit or soul and astrally I think) he would have been able to draw a bike and many other things like his famous helicopter. When looking into a 'Stone' there are many confusing images of possible future and jumbled realities. We know that many within the Catholic Church have studied these things (e.g. Aquinas) and that they know about the 'Stone'. In recent times a Catholic cleric developed a Chronovisor in conjunction with top physicists including Enrico Fermi, according to one report I have seen.
We know they would have been very concerned about Leonardo telling the world about many things he knew. The Gnostics were heretics because they said things like: 'The Original Sin that separates us from God is Ignorance!' Who is passing on whether or not you are a heretic because you believe in the possibility of a 'Stone' today? Yes, most of society! Few have any idea of what an alchemist is or what contributions they've made to humanity, the quantum physicists were called 'atom-mysticists' when they spoke of the things chaos science and alchemy has studied for over 13,000 years. This is why we don't need an Inquisition. Because the media and education system is more effective!
The titles and grandiloquent appointments of the egotistical chest-beating ecclesiasts who follow in the footsteps of the money- changers whose tables Jesus over-turned in the Roman-backed Temples are so fantastic that any impressionable person can easily think THEY must know! This is the technique of 'The BIG lie!' If you make an ass of your true self (the soul) by saying you are 'Holy' and an 'Emperor', it is no matter. Just continue to add all the nations and states you have under your control. Say you are the sole representative of God on earth, and that the universe revolves around you. It might work as well as saying disease comes from 'sins and demons' and 'women are the harbingers of THE Original Sin'. Actually any human is able to know what Jesus called 'the living father within'. Are we really out of the influence of the 'Dark Ages'? I'd like to debate that with the Pope or some other proselyte.
And of course the Stone viewing time is something many people cannot grasp so here is a little science to think about.
Higgs boson find makes time travel “feasible” | Technology ...
http://www.technologybloggers.org/.....ime-travel-fea...
Apr 1, 2013 - Ground-breaking research has emerged this morning, as scientists from the LHC released verified data that proves the existence (and therefore ...
Yes, it is 'easy' to denigrate Hank (who has more academic cred than any commenter on him at Wiki - IMO) but these same cretins who are here ridiculing Hank don't post what Wiki thinks of their BELIEFS nor do they engage in real discourse with me. Because they are not aware - of science or facts which prove 'see'ing and contact such as the great sages including Leonardo da Vinci have done for these many millennia.
But the discoveries of science keep confirming what has been known for tens of millennia. This week it was the pentaquark, last year the Indonesian ancient art, and the year before - the Higgs particles.
The troubling thing about this book is the presentation of Da Vinci as a semi-competent who needed a Franciscan monk's help. We like Francis of Assisi and don't doubt the church was watching over Leonardo just as they did all artists who were producing God's work. Yes, the church claimed all creative work was their property! They also controlled education just as they have in many places until this very day. Most likely Luca Pacioli (Franciscan) was under directions to keep Da Vinci in line and to make such things as we will see, remain hidden from the public. Da Vinci was before Galileo and you can be sure he would have met the usual gruesome heretical stake or fire after a few parts were titillated or cut along the way.
These are the words of the Catholic University academic which give a little insight to the conflict Da Vinci faced during these oppressive times when thought was even less well managed than today. "Leonardo and Luca Pacioli worked together for many years, and as we have seen, the intervention of Master Luca was decisive. Nevertheless there existed between the two categories a social and hierarchical conflict, even if no one had ever placed in doubt the supremacy of the liberal arts as the only depositories of true science. And the one who rose up resolutely against the exclusion of the mechanical arts from the sphere of science {Such deceit to call what the church allowed people to think of, as science.}, or as it was then known, 'philosophy' was Leonardo." (58)
The best part of the whole book for me is the bicycle. It has a chain drive mechanism that looks like a 19th century model of something he would have seen in the future. There are alternative futures and dissonance between them as I see it. His representation is not engineered so perfectly that he would have been able to inspect it however. It had no steering mechanism, for example. On top of the original drawing that was discovered long after the death of all parties is a childish drawing of a penis to look like a cat with legs. Still they don't actually use words to say he was 'gay' and we know he would say something about this if he was alive today. It is a certain thing about propaganda - great people become more manageable after they die - you can 'spin' their image to your hearts desire. In the case of Jesus they make him over every century! I guess all the priests abusing children across North America and the court awards have made them a little sensitive - can you say risk management? Can you say hypocrites? They still exclude 'gays' from all sorts of things and marriage is just one of them. Maybe this is the area 'master' Luca was most instructive to Da Vinci?! It is an area of their expertise but what Da Vinci was able to produce, is not.
"While they recognize the unmistakable nature of this machine, the few scholars who have examined the drawing are decidedly reluctant to admit its antiquity. Since the application of the chain-drive goes back only to the end of the 19th century, they propose a dating of the drawing within the early years of the present century. Such a hypothesis, however, collides with insurmountable difficulties: (1) The page in question remained hidden for almost four centuries, and it is unimaginable that 70 or 80 years ago a boy would have obtained from the directorship of the Biblioteca Ambrosiana the permission to view the codex, detach one or two of the pages, and then draw upon them and glue them back again. (2) Even in that case, he would have drawn a bicycle of a type then existent, not one of wood with wheelbarrow wheels, {And this imaginary child the academics try to say drew the cat/penis, would have been a pretty smart kid to know the name of Leonardo's pupil/model/lover. There is a small matter of his signature.} no means of steering, and the teeth of the central gear so squared off that they could not be fitted to the chain. (3) The odd toothed wheels and the chain coincide exactly with those drawn by Leonardo in Codex Madrid 1, folio 10 recto. (4) We cannot separate the bicycle from the other drawings visible in folios 132 verso and 133 verso of the Codex Atlanticus. Actually they were drawn when the pages were united at the two halves of one page. Reuniting them, we see that another hand has drawn, also in pencil and from left to right, two pornographic drawings obviously meant as a joke, over which, on the right side, is clearly written 'salaj', that is, Salai, the name of Leonardo's pupil, model and servant...To become a reality, the idea required the final solution of some challenging problems such as the matter of steering and the adaptation of the large squared off teeth with their jutting comers to the links of the chain... Salai entered Leonardo's house in 1490, aged 10." (59)
How did Leonardo draw about half of the design of such as bike? The best answer is that he looked into the 'Philosopher's Stone' of his patron/alchemist or he developed one of his own like Nostradamus. It is not an easy thing to do, but I think he could have done it. If he actually traveled through time (spirit or soul and astrally I think) he would have been able to draw a bike and many other things like his famous helicopter. When looking into a 'Stone' there are many confusing images of possible future and jumbled realities. We know that many within the Catholic Church have studied these things (e.g. Aquinas) and that they know about the 'Stone'. In recent times a Catholic cleric developed a Chronovisor in conjunction with top physicists including Enrico Fermi, according to one report I have seen.
We know they would have been very concerned about Leonardo telling the world about many things he knew. The Gnostics were heretics because they said things like: 'The Original Sin that separates us from God is Ignorance!' Who is passing on whether or not you are a heretic because you believe in the possibility of a 'Stone' today? Yes, most of society! Few have any idea of what an alchemist is or what contributions they've made to humanity, the quantum physicists were called 'atom-mysticists' when they spoke of the things chaos science and alchemy has studied for over 13,000 years. This is why we don't need an Inquisition. Because the media and education system is more effective!
The titles and grandiloquent appointments of the egotistical chest-beating ecclesiasts who follow in the footsteps of the money- changers whose tables Jesus over-turned in the Roman-backed Temples are so fantastic that any impressionable person can easily think THEY must know! This is the technique of 'The BIG lie!' If you make an ass of your true self (the soul) by saying you are 'Holy' and an 'Emperor', it is no matter. Just continue to add all the nations and states you have under your control. Say you are the sole representative of God on earth, and that the universe revolves around you. It might work as well as saying disease comes from 'sins and demons' and 'women are the harbingers of THE Original Sin'. Actually any human is able to know what Jesus called 'the living father within'. Are we really out of the influence of the 'Dark Ages'? I'd like to debate that with the Pope or some other proselyte.
And of course the Stone viewing time is something many people cannot grasp so here is a little science to think about.
Higgs boson find makes time travel “feasible” | Technology ...
http://www.technologybloggers.org/.....ime-travel-fea...
Apr 1, 2013 - Ground-breaking research has emerged this morning, as scientists from the LHC released verified data that proves the existence (and therefore ...
Robert Baird
Paranormal Maven
In other places throughout threads here I have dealt with the Pentagon Dodecahedron secret(s). The Vimanas don't seem so fantastic once you put all of these things together.
You won’t believe how you and all humanity have come to BELIEVE!
I cannot say I understand math to the extent that I can weigh in on formulations such as Cathie and Fuller have put before us. But just as Cathie said was true I can verify the US has and continues to finish building Omega Stations on the Earth Energy Grid. Tesla is another great man with all manner of applications of the Grid who said all his work is based on Harmonics or the Logos which can be studied in the Bible if you know the code. That would support Cathie's contention about the Grid power being used for ancient flying machines.
"Bruce Leonard Cathie (11 February 1930 – 2 June 2013) was a New Zealand airline pilot who wrote seven books related to flying saucers and a "World energy grid".
His central thesis was that the laws of mathematics describe a grid-like pattern on Earth that powers flying saucers and controls the dates and places where nuclear bombs can function.[citation needed] He claimed to have successfully predicted[citation needed] the detonation time of an early French nuclear test using his harmonic "mathematics", which is based around trigonometry and geophysical latitude/longitude coordinates.
Cathie claimed that he first saw a flying saucer over the Manukau Harbour, Auckland in 1952 and in discussions with other airline pilots discovered this was not uncommon.[1]
His first book Harmonic 33, was published in New Zealand in 1968[2] and reprinted in the United Kingdom by Sphere Books in 1980.[3]
New Zealand millennial author Barry Smith claimed to have received his information on restrictions on nuclear weapons from Cathie.
An interview with him was played in the fourth episode of the fourth series of the US television program In Search of....
His second revised relativity equation called "Harmonic Equation 2"; (2c+sqrt(1/(2c))*(2c)² or (4*sqrt(2)]/[(1/c)*5/2) scientifically, seems to somewhat converge with Buckminster Fuller's Synergetics formula 2nf²+2 but there is certainly a divergence in the formulas and more work is needed on it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Cathie
Along with Bucky saying there are two perfect tetrahedral in the Great Pyramid we know he used forms such as these in developing his varied theories and designs like the geodesic dome.
And you might ask why it is when so many great physics people have said the ancients knew things we are only now discovering that such ideas are thrown on the dungheap while Alien Intervention theories are trotted out as 'possible'. Could it be some people have been keeping secrets for 5,000 years and more?
"It has been suggested that the regular icosahedron, not being found in nature, is the first example of a geometrical object that is the free creation of human thought. Regardless of the truth of this, it is interesting to try to track down the origin of the icosahedron. A scholium in Book XIII of Euclid's "Elements" speaks of "the five so-called Platonic figures which, however, do not belong to Plato, three of the five being due to the Pythagoreans, namely the cube, the pyramid, and the dodecahedron, while the octahedron and the icosahedron are due to Theaetetus." More recently, Atiyah and Sutcliffe have claimed that a regular icosahedron appears among a collection of stone balls in the Ashmolean Museum - balls that were unearthed in Scotland and may date back to 2000 BC. However, Lieven le Bruyn has argued that these authors are the victims of a hoax. We examine the evidence with a critical eye."
http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/icosahedron/
You won’t believe how you and all humanity have come to BELIEVE!
I cannot say I understand math to the extent that I can weigh in on formulations such as Cathie and Fuller have put before us. But just as Cathie said was true I can verify the US has and continues to finish building Omega Stations on the Earth Energy Grid. Tesla is another great man with all manner of applications of the Grid who said all his work is based on Harmonics or the Logos which can be studied in the Bible if you know the code. That would support Cathie's contention about the Grid power being used for ancient flying machines.
"Bruce Leonard Cathie (11 February 1930 – 2 June 2013) was a New Zealand airline pilot who wrote seven books related to flying saucers and a "World energy grid".
His central thesis was that the laws of mathematics describe a grid-like pattern on Earth that powers flying saucers and controls the dates and places where nuclear bombs can function.[citation needed] He claimed to have successfully predicted[citation needed] the detonation time of an early French nuclear test using his harmonic "mathematics", which is based around trigonometry and geophysical latitude/longitude coordinates.
Cathie claimed that he first saw a flying saucer over the Manukau Harbour, Auckland in 1952 and in discussions with other airline pilots discovered this was not uncommon.[1]
His first book Harmonic 33, was published in New Zealand in 1968[2] and reprinted in the United Kingdom by Sphere Books in 1980.[3]
New Zealand millennial author Barry Smith claimed to have received his information on restrictions on nuclear weapons from Cathie.
An interview with him was played in the fourth episode of the fourth series of the US television program In Search of....
His second revised relativity equation called "Harmonic Equation 2"; (2c+sqrt(1/(2c))*(2c)² or (4*sqrt(2)]/[(1/c)*5/2) scientifically, seems to somewhat converge with Buckminster Fuller's Synergetics formula 2nf²+2 but there is certainly a divergence in the formulas and more work is needed on it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Cathie
Along with Bucky saying there are two perfect tetrahedral in the Great Pyramid we know he used forms such as these in developing his varied theories and designs like the geodesic dome.
And you might ask why it is when so many great physics people have said the ancients knew things we are only now discovering that such ideas are thrown on the dungheap while Alien Intervention theories are trotted out as 'possible'. Could it be some people have been keeping secrets for 5,000 years and more?
"It has been suggested that the regular icosahedron, not being found in nature, is the first example of a geometrical object that is the free creation of human thought. Regardless of the truth of this, it is interesting to try to track down the origin of the icosahedron. A scholium in Book XIII of Euclid's "Elements" speaks of "the five so-called Platonic figures which, however, do not belong to Plato, three of the five being due to the Pythagoreans, namely the cube, the pyramid, and the dodecahedron, while the octahedron and the icosahedron are due to Theaetetus." More recently, Atiyah and Sutcliffe have claimed that a regular icosahedron appears among a collection of stone balls in the Ashmolean Museum - balls that were unearthed in Scotland and may date back to 2000 BC. However, Lieven le Bruyn has argued that these authors are the victims of a hoax. We examine the evidence with a critical eye."
http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/icosahedron/
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
Yes, you have proven how easy it is to denigrate people time and time again.
Just who all exactly is in this "Nazi gang" because it doesn't seem like you are referring to the people who engaged in human torture, depravity and other holocaust like practices? It seems like you are talking about forum participants.
Robert Baird
Paranormal Maven
There is a difference between presenting facts which prove cults are involved in all so many societal gangs including the Nazis. I presented the FBI academic outlining the seven stages of cult hater development above and in other threads I presented psychiatric and psychological analysis of cults. Yes, in simple terms you can assume I refer to people here as cultists. Anyone who sees only one side of an argument and re-iterates clichéd and hackneyed phrase in jargon of some specialized manner might also be a cult. It behooves people who wish to advance the prospects for life on earth to stop the focus on ego and pet projects with a view to determining common ground which will prioritize and plan for a new world. If not the Old World Order (Which is not new as conspiracy theorists or those over using phrases like 'Brain Trusts', banksters, illuminati etc. will say.) has a plan.
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
So are you saying people here are Nazis then, and cultists as well; because, it looked like you were calling forum members who posted 'likes' in this thread Nazis? Is that right, because I just wanted to be clear that you were actually referring to posters who did that as Nazis. Now whether we are comprised entirely of Jewish members on this forum or only a smaller percentage i still find that offhand, smug comment to be a little offisde.
Now regarding the whole ego, pet project thing....you might have the market cornered there with the multi-tangential posting thing. Apologies in advance for the hackneyed phrase useage. This in no way takes away from the hidden gems of ideas proposed, well, actually it does, but then I get things wrong all the time.
Now regarding the whole ego, pet project thing....you might have the market cornered there with the multi-tangential posting thing. Apologies in advance for the hackneyed phrase useage. This in no way takes away from the hidden gems of ideas proposed, well, actually it does, but then I get things wrong all the time.
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Wade
FeralNormal master
Maybe another way to put it is " i know there's a pony in here somewhere"?
Heil POOH.
Robert Baird
Paranormal Maven
Dear Burnt
You just said I have multi-tangential posts. Multi-tangential or lateral-thinking and integration is the opposite of pet projects - so you demonstrated you are what you are.
You just said I have multi-tangential posts. Multi-tangential or lateral-thinking and integration is the opposite of pet projects - so you demonstrated you are what you are.
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
Let's not start quoting Popeye, or derivatives of such seafarers.
I just want to know if you are calling people here nazis.
I just want to know if you are calling people here nazis.
Angel of Ioren
Friendly Skeptic
Robert Baird, you can't be calling other members Nazis. People can like what they want to like.
You need to chill out because you're really starting to frustrate a growing amount of members. We don't want to ban people, but we will if we need to. Please, you need to stop this behaviour.
Thanks.
You need to chill out because you're really starting to frustrate a growing amount of members. We don't want to ban people, but we will if we need to. Please, you need to stop this behaviour.
Thanks.
Robert Baird
Paranormal Maven
Dear Angel
Did you read the expert opinion on cults and haters? Do you think Nazis were cultists? I calls em as I sees em - and give the facts. You can accuse me of nothing as bad as any projections directed my way/
Dear Burnt
Here is a little about thinking and learning difficulties in your glorified baby-sitting profession.
Queen's and McMaster Universities have implemented competency testing out of specific courses. They have done this more than most. I tested out of a B. A. at York but it required a few other things first, and few entrants could do it. All levels of school could allow this and an end could be brought to mainstreaming and dumbing down the classroom to it's lowest common denominator. But the most exciting innovations will come through Learning Styles testing, and creating environments where all learning styles co-operate. My nephew recently finished his B. A. at York and they did test him but not for the purposes I suggest. They did it as part of their psychological profiling and alienation of Dyslexics and 'special' needs children.
A large part of the problem begins with how teachers are taught to teach. "Pedagogical pain" is a large issue because a program change must update the skills of those trained in old ways and the emphasis on getting answers to questions rather than good questions which demonstrate actual independent thought. The following expert is involved in these hands on changes and this is a few of the points he makes. I think point number five addresses the lack of questioning or real scientific approach which can lead to drawing actual relevant conclusions such as - is this whole course just a brainwashing exercise?
"1.If genuine change is to occur in schools, then those changes may have to occur FIRST in teacher education. It is certainly not enough for teacher educators to advocate changes that they have not achieved in their own practices.
2.Sarason (1971, 1996) was exactly right when he concluded that conditions for learning must change for both learners and teachers, in any significant innovation.
3.Once significant innovation occurs, a wide range of responses is inevitable—predictable and unpredictable, positive and negative. Organisational agreement on strategies for collecting, sharing, and interpreting relevant data is essential. It is far too easy to propose early changes that fail to give the innovation a clear chance.
4.The learner's perspective on teaching and learning may be the least utilised and least respected but also the most important source of data to guide educational change.
5.The image of 'teaching as telling' permeates our every move we make as teachers, far more deeply than we would ever care to admit to others or ourselves."
The Challenge of Change in (Teacher) Education
Did you read the expert opinion on cults and haters? Do you think Nazis were cultists? I calls em as I sees em - and give the facts. You can accuse me of nothing as bad as any projections directed my way/
Dear Burnt
Here is a little about thinking and learning difficulties in your glorified baby-sitting profession.
Queen's and McMaster Universities have implemented competency testing out of specific courses. They have done this more than most. I tested out of a B. A. at York but it required a few other things first, and few entrants could do it. All levels of school could allow this and an end could be brought to mainstreaming and dumbing down the classroom to it's lowest common denominator. But the most exciting innovations will come through Learning Styles testing, and creating environments where all learning styles co-operate. My nephew recently finished his B. A. at York and they did test him but not for the purposes I suggest. They did it as part of their psychological profiling and alienation of Dyslexics and 'special' needs children.
A large part of the problem begins with how teachers are taught to teach. "Pedagogical pain" is a large issue because a program change must update the skills of those trained in old ways and the emphasis on getting answers to questions rather than good questions which demonstrate actual independent thought. The following expert is involved in these hands on changes and this is a few of the points he makes. I think point number five addresses the lack of questioning or real scientific approach which can lead to drawing actual relevant conclusions such as - is this whole course just a brainwashing exercise?
"1.If genuine change is to occur in schools, then those changes may have to occur FIRST in teacher education. It is certainly not enough for teacher educators to advocate changes that they have not achieved in their own practices.
2.Sarason (1971, 1996) was exactly right when he concluded that conditions for learning must change for both learners and teachers, in any significant innovation.
3.Once significant innovation occurs, a wide range of responses is inevitable—predictable and unpredictable, positive and negative. Organisational agreement on strategies for collecting, sharing, and interpreting relevant data is essential. It is far too easy to propose early changes that fail to give the innovation a clear chance.
4.The learner's perspective on teaching and learning may be the least utilised and least respected but also the most important source of data to guide educational change.
5.The image of 'teaching as telling' permeates our every move we make as teachers, far more deeply than we would ever care to admit to others or ourselves."
The Challenge of Change in (Teacher) Education
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
When it comes to @Robert Baird I'm not really sure how to read him. I'm reluctant to conclude that all the posts are a preconceived strategy to disrupt the forum and frustrate participants, because for someone to do all that as a preconceived plan would IMO indicate a rather serious personality disorder that manifests itself in malicious manner, yet he seems to be implying that it's others who are intentionally trying to get to him somehow, as if he's the victim.
So this case ( if we can call it that ), suggests that we're either dealing with some kind of personality disorder, or a professional disruption agenda designed to fog up the entire forum using rather sophisticated psy-ops methods, or that RB is actually a misunderstood person with insights into a wide variety of areas that he's having problems knitting together in a coherent manner so that people understand his true and sincere intentions.
If we're to conclude the latter ( above ) is the case ( and I like to give people the benefit of the doubt ), then there is hope, but @Robert Baird, you are going to need to find a way to slow down and engage participants on a one-to-one level in a step-by step fashion, one subject at a time, and have patience. Don't deflect questions and don't make assumptions about other people's abilities or intent.
If I had to pick somebody to help you get acclimatized here, I would suggest that you approach a poster named @smcder. He and I have had some very intense discussions, but he has always remained civil, is highly intelligent, and had excellent content to contribute. Maybe he can help you acclimatize to the forum so that we can all better enjoy discussing some of the very interesting things you have brought up in a good number of your posts.
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Robert Baird
Paranormal Maven
This thread is a fine example of more than just cult behaviour in the hater tradition as described by one expert I have quoted. I have seldom posted in other people's threads for days now. Yet, I am accused of disruptive behavior. The psychologists at Harvard other than Mack were more directly on point.
In the case of UFOLOGY being some concerned citizen in the manner of a wise person giving me advice - I laugh. He intimates all things apparent in the behaviour of what he suggests - himself. He purposefully employed ridicule along with many others.
Ridicule like Sarcasm is the wit of worse than cultists. Prepubescents employ it as do paranoids.
Again - I post the analysis of cultish behaviour from the expert. I do this as you threaten again (Another Nazi tactic) to ban me without a one of you addressing or quoting what the expert says and how it meets the conditions exhibited here.
"Stage 1: The Haters Gather
Irrational haters seldom hate alone. [10] They feel compelled, almost driven, to entreat others to hate as they do. Peer validation bolsters a sense of self-worth and, at the same time, prevents introspection, which reveals personal insecurities. [11] Further, individuals otherwise ineffective become empowered when they join groups, which also provide anonymity and diminished accountability.
Stage 2: The Hate Group Defines Itself
Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and mythologies, which enhance the members' status and, at the same time, degrade the object of their hate. For example, skinhead groups may adopt the swastika, the iron cross, the Confederate flag, and other supremacist symbols. Group-specific symbols or clothing often differentiate hate groups. Group rituals, such as hand signals and secret greetings, further fortify members. Hate groups, especially skinhead groups, usually incorporate some form of self-sacrifice, which allows haters to willingly jeopardize their well-being for the greater good of the cause. Giving one's life to a cause provides the ultimate sense of value and worth to life. [12] Skinheads often see themselves as soldiers in a race war.
Stage 3: The Hate Group Disparages the Target
Hate is the glue that binds haters to one another and to a common cause. [13] By verbally debasing the object of their hate, haters enhance their self-image, as well as their group status. In skinhead groups, racist song lyrics and hate literature provide an environment wherein hate flourishes. In fact, researchers have found that the life span of aggressive impulses increases with ideation. [14] In other words, the more often a person thinks about aggression, the greater the chance for aggressive behavior to occur. Thus, after constant verbal denigration, haters progress to the next more acrimonious stage.
Stage 4: The Hate Group Taunts the Target
Hate, by its nature, changes incrementally. Time cools the fire of hate, thus forcing the hater to look inward. To avoid introspection, haters use ever-increasing degrees of rhetoric and violence to maintain high levels of agitation. Taunts and offensive gestures serve this purpose. In this stage, skinheads typically shout racial slurs from moving cars or from afar. Nazi salutes and other hand signals often accompany racial epithets. Racist graffiti also begins to appear in areas where skinheads loiter. Most skinhead groups claim turf proximate to the neighborhoods in which they live. One study indicated that a majority of hate crimes occur when the hate target migrates through the hate group's turf. [15]
Stage 5: The Hate Group Attacks the Target Without Weapons
This stage is critical because it differentiates vocally abusive haters from physically abusive ones. In this stage, hate groups become more aggressive, prowling their turf seeking vulnerable targets. Violence coalesces hate groups and further isolates them from mainstream society. Skinheads, almost without exception, attack in groups and target single victims. Research has shown that bias crimes are twice as likely to cause injury and four times as likely to result in hospitalization as compared to nonbias crimes. [16]"
The Seven-Stage Hate Model The Psychopathology of Hate Groups - International Cultic Studies Association (ICSA)
In the case of UFOLOGY being some concerned citizen in the manner of a wise person giving me advice - I laugh. He intimates all things apparent in the behaviour of what he suggests - himself. He purposefully employed ridicule along with many others.
Ridicule like Sarcasm is the wit of worse than cultists. Prepubescents employ it as do paranoids.
Again - I post the analysis of cultish behaviour from the expert. I do this as you threaten again (Another Nazi tactic) to ban me without a one of you addressing or quoting what the expert says and how it meets the conditions exhibited here.
"Stage 1: The Haters Gather
Irrational haters seldom hate alone. [10] They feel compelled, almost driven, to entreat others to hate as they do. Peer validation bolsters a sense of self-worth and, at the same time, prevents introspection, which reveals personal insecurities. [11] Further, individuals otherwise ineffective become empowered when they join groups, which also provide anonymity and diminished accountability.
Stage 2: The Hate Group Defines Itself
Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and mythologies, which enhance the members' status and, at the same time, degrade the object of their hate. For example, skinhead groups may adopt the swastika, the iron cross, the Confederate flag, and other supremacist symbols. Group-specific symbols or clothing often differentiate hate groups. Group rituals, such as hand signals and secret greetings, further fortify members. Hate groups, especially skinhead groups, usually incorporate some form of self-sacrifice, which allows haters to willingly jeopardize their well-being for the greater good of the cause. Giving one's life to a cause provides the ultimate sense of value and worth to life. [12] Skinheads often see themselves as soldiers in a race war.
Stage 3: The Hate Group Disparages the Target
Hate is the glue that binds haters to one another and to a common cause. [13] By verbally debasing the object of their hate, haters enhance their self-image, as well as their group status. In skinhead groups, racist song lyrics and hate literature provide an environment wherein hate flourishes. In fact, researchers have found that the life span of aggressive impulses increases with ideation. [14] In other words, the more often a person thinks about aggression, the greater the chance for aggressive behavior to occur. Thus, after constant verbal denigration, haters progress to the next more acrimonious stage.
Stage 4: The Hate Group Taunts the Target
Hate, by its nature, changes incrementally. Time cools the fire of hate, thus forcing the hater to look inward. To avoid introspection, haters use ever-increasing degrees of rhetoric and violence to maintain high levels of agitation. Taunts and offensive gestures serve this purpose. In this stage, skinheads typically shout racial slurs from moving cars or from afar. Nazi salutes and other hand signals often accompany racial epithets. Racist graffiti also begins to appear in areas where skinheads loiter. Most skinhead groups claim turf proximate to the neighborhoods in which they live. One study indicated that a majority of hate crimes occur when the hate target migrates through the hate group's turf. [15]
Stage 5: The Hate Group Attacks the Target Without Weapons
This stage is critical because it differentiates vocally abusive haters from physically abusive ones. In this stage, hate groups become more aggressive, prowling their turf seeking vulnerable targets. Violence coalesces hate groups and further isolates them from mainstream society. Skinheads, almost without exception, attack in groups and target single victims. Research has shown that bias crimes are twice as likely to cause injury and four times as likely to result in hospitalization as compared to nonbias crimes. [16]"
The Seven-Stage Hate Model The Psychopathology of Hate Groups - International Cultic Studies Association (ICSA)
Robert Baird
Paranormal Maven
Then there is the general catch-all issue so obvious in the alien encounters community. It is termed a conspiracy theory all on it's own. But we also have Ufology specifically directing his charge which illustrates it succinctly and with no need of further argument or proof. He says: "or a professional disruption agenda designed to fog up the entire forum using rather sophisticated psy-ops methods".
Professor Stephan Lewandowsky, a cognitive scientist at the University of Western Australia, asserts that strong supporters of conspiracy theories usually experience a feeling of lack of control. A theory can help a believer regain a sense of order explaining some extraordinary events. Knowing some facts can even bring the feeling of power. Lewandowsky states that belief in conspiracies can be a protective mechanism against the horror of possible disasters.
A lack of trust can also be regained by belief in a conspiracy theory. This also explains why such theories are more popular with members of the lower social classes: the members of the upper class feel more integrated into prominent social, political and economical structures and are more likely to trust the general information they receive.
Another explanation is that people are inclined to believe in ideas that they initially supported. This is called "motivated skepticism" or a "self-sealing nature of reasoning".[39]
From the ubiquitous (Wiki) source that is not a great source unless you know other sources that make a more in-depth analysis.
Professor Stephan Lewandowsky, a cognitive scientist at the University of Western Australia, asserts that strong supporters of conspiracy theories usually experience a feeling of lack of control. A theory can help a believer regain a sense of order explaining some extraordinary events. Knowing some facts can even bring the feeling of power. Lewandowsky states that belief in conspiracies can be a protective mechanism against the horror of possible disasters.
A lack of trust can also be regained by belief in a conspiracy theory. This also explains why such theories are more popular with members of the lower social classes: the members of the upper class feel more integrated into prominent social, political and economical structures and are more likely to trust the general information they receive.
Another explanation is that people are inclined to believe in ideas that they initially supported. This is called "motivated skepticism" or a "self-sealing nature of reasoning".[39]
From the ubiquitous (Wiki) source that is not a great source unless you know other sources that make a more in-depth analysis.