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How Silly is Climate Change Denial?

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Don't ever put faith in scientists. Part of the scientific method is peer review where scientists attempt to destroy theories. That's one of the reasons why we are in this mess because the public tends to treat scientists the same way that priests were once once treated, above approach and unable to critique or question.

In a past reply I posted a video that talked about how 1/3 of scientists admit to taking drugs. There is also a huge problem with lying and falsifying data because science is so highly competitive in nature and many people think it's their only way to get their foot in the door or to get grant money.

This is just hilarious.

You have previously offered up the opinions of comedians as a valid source for info on this subject.

well i'll see your comedic opinion and raise you

Sam Levenson – humourist 1911 – 1980
Somewhere on this globe, every 10 seconds, there is a woman giving birth to a child. She must be found and stopped.


Spike Milligan – comedian 1918 – 2002
“Overpopulation is a serious issue. The human race will soon have to get used to 12 in a room.”


Michael Palin – comedian b1943
“The greatest politically charged challenge facing our planet? Unchecked population growth.”


. Part of the scientific method is peer review

No shit sherlock ?

published a new survey in the journal Environmental Research Letters of over 12,000 peer-reviewed climate science papers
 
I did answer the question, i gave two examples of how many people are too many people.

Your fingers in the ears nya nya nya insistance i cant answer the question is fraud pure and simple

Post it. Give me the magical number that once crossed we are doomed. I dare you.

And once again you ignored why CO2 was never the driving force of climate in the past but has now magically become so.

All you do is bombard this thread with multiple replies in hopes of fooling the people here who lack critical thinking skills.

So you go right ahead and post a million more replies here and copy and paste to your heart's content but until you answer both questions then I'm done with you.
 
Post it. Give me the magical number that once crossed we are doomed. I dare you.

And once again you ignored why CO2 was never the driving force of climate in the past but has now magically become so.

All you do is bombard this thread with multiple replies in hopes of fooling the people here who lack critical thinking skills.

So you go right ahead and post a million more replies here and copy and paste to your heart's content but until you answer both questions then I'm done with you.

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How many is too many ?

When the population exceeds the carrying capacity
When we are depleting renewable resources faster than they can renew, then we have passed carrying capacity

And

When the need for new space for humanity, means stealing the habitat and causing the extinction of even a single other species, then we are overpopulated.
When we have run out of room and have to steal someone elses habitat to provide more for ourselves.

You also asked for scientific consensus

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Of course the contradiction is glaring here, you insist the proof of your claim is no scientific consensus (which there is) But then insist we shouldnt trust scientists, stacking the deck in a way that is as transparent as it is silly
 
Meanwhile in the jungles of Sumatra and Borneo

Orangutans fight for survival as thirst for palm oil devastates rainforests
Palm oil plantations are destroying the Sumatran apes' habitat, leaving just 200 of the animals struggling for existence

Orangutans fight for survival as thirst for palm oil devastates rainforests | Environment | The Observer

There are numerous threats to the viability of the remaining wild orangutan population in Indonesia and Malaysia. The primary threat is loss of habitat with up to 80% of suitable forest in Indonesia and Malaysia having been lost in the past 20 years.

Orangutan Threats
 
The InterAcademy Panel Statement on Population Growth is an international scientist consensus document discussing and demanding a halt of the population expansion. This was the first worldwide joint statement of academies of sciences, and their cooperative InterAcademy Panel on International Issues. It was signed by 58 member academies and hence ratified in 1994.
The scientific consensus is that the present population growth and increase in use of resources is a threat to the ecosystem. The InterAcademy Panel Statement on Population Growth called the growth in human numbers "unprecedented", and stated that many environmental problems, such as rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, global warming, and pollution, were made worse by the population expansion



The Problem
The world is undergoing an unprecedented population expansion. Within the span of a single lifetime, world population has more than doubled to 5.5 billion and even the most optimistic scenarios of lower birth rates lead to a peak of 7.8 billion people in the middle of the next century. In the last decade, food production from both land and sea declined relative to world population growth.
The relationships between human population, economic development and natural environment are complex and not fully understood. Nonetheless, there is no doubt that the threat to the ecosystem is linked to population size and resource use. Increasing greenhouse gas emissions, ozone depletion and acid rain, loss of biodiversity, deforestation and loss of topsoil, shortages of water, food and fuel indicate how the natural systems are being pushed ever closer to their limits.

Signatories ...
Academy of Sciences of Albania
Australian Academy of Science
Austrian Academy of Sciences
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Academy of Sciences of Belarus
National Academy of Sciences of Bolivia
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
Royal Society of Canada
Caribbean Academy of Sciences
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Columbian Academy of Exact, Physical, and Natural Sciences
Croatian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Estonian Academy of Sciences
Federation of Asian Scientific Academies and Societies
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
French Academy of Sciences
Conference of the German Academies of Sciences
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Academy of Athens. Greece
Hungarian Academy of Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Iranian Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Royal Scientific Society, Jordan
Kazakhstan National Academy of Sciences
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
National Academy of Sciences, Republic of Korea
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Macedonian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Malaysian Scientific Association
National Academy of Sciences, Mexico
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Mongolian Academy of Sciences
Academy of the Kingdom of Morocco
Royal Nepal Academy of Science and Technology
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Science
Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
National Academy of Science and Technology, Philippines
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Conference of the Swiss Scientific Academies
Third World Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Science and Technology
Ukrainian Academy of Sciences
Royal Society of London
National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America
National Academy of Physics, Mathematics, and Natural Sciences of Venezuela
 
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Lets just take one signatory

The National Academy of Sciences (NAS) is a private, non-profit society of distinguished scholars. Established by an Act of Congress, signed by President Abraham Lincoln in 1863, the NAS is charged with providing independent, objective advice to the nation on matters related to science and technology. Scientists are elected by their peers to membership in the NAS for outstanding contributions to research. The NAS is committed to furthering science in America, and its members are active contributors to the international scientific community. Nearly 500 members of the NAS have won Nobel Prizes, and the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, founded in 1914, is today one of the premier international journals publishing the results of original research.

Overview: NAS Mission

Meh, what would they know they are just drug addled scientists, they dont count in this debate

THATS your argument ?
 
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How many is too many ?

When the population exceeds the carrying capacity
When we are depleting renewable resources faster than they can renew, then we have passed carrying capacity

And

When the need for new space for humanity, means stealing the habitat and causing the extinction of even a single other species, then we are overpopulated.
When we have run out of room and have to steal someone elses habitat to provide more for ourselves.

You also asked for scientific consensus

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How Silly is Climate Change Denial? | Page 11 | The Paracast Community Forums

Of course the contradiction is glaring here, you insist the proof of your claim is no scientific consensus (which there is) But then insist we shouldnt trust scientists, stacking the deck in a way that is as transparent as it is silly


Overpopulation is defined as the function of the number of species and the available resources.

The fact that you refuse to proved a figure is quite telling. If overpopulation is a problem then the people who claim it is real should be able to provide a figure to indicate how many people is too many people.

The sad truth is that overpopulation exits only in the minds of the people who believe in it. It is not something that is scientifically based. It is merely a matter of personal opinion that is deceptively put forward as if it were fact.

And I'm still waiting for you to explain why CO2 magically has become the driving force of climate when it was never so in any time in the past.
 
Overpopulation is defined as the function of the number of species and the available resources.

The fact that you refuse to proved a figure is quite telling. If overpopulation is a problem then the people who claim it is real should be able to provide a figure to indicate how many people is too many people.

The sad truth is that overpopulation exits only in the minds of the people who believe in it. It is not something that is scientifically based. It is merely a matter of personal opinion that is deceptively put forward as if it were fact.

And I'm still waiting for you to explain why CO2 magically has become the driving force of climate when it was never so in any time in the past.

Insisting on a precise figure is simple minded.

Its like asking how much in precise dollar figures is too much spending for a shopping addict.
In a complex rather than simple scenario the variables dont work with a precise figure.

It would depend on how much that person earned, how many credit cards they owned, how much they bought, and how much they paid back. the interest etc etc
Like wise how much is too much alchohol consumption, The answer cant be quantified as X number.

Its usually expressed as when that behavior become a problem.

Its the same with overpopulation

How many is too many ? It cannot be expressed as a single number

Its too many when the rate of renewable resource depletion, is greater than that resource can renew
Its too many when in order to make room for more humans, we need to cause the extinction of another species to do so
 
"Why does the AHA cling to recommendations that fly in the face of scientific evidence?

What I discovered was both eye-opening and disturbing. The AHA not only ignored all the other risk factors for heart disease, but it appointed someone with ties to Big Food and bizarre scientific beliefs to lead the guideline-writing panel—just the type of thing that undermines the public’s confidence in the medical community."

The Heart Association’s Junk Science Diet - The Daily Beast
 
Human Impact
Not surprisingly, the impact of this population growth on the environment since 1750 been extensive. Now, not a day goes by but we hear of droughts, floods, famines, wars over resources, extinctions, and in the last 20 years, the increasingly evident effects of global warming. This
impact has been expressed in what has become known as the Commoner-Ehrlich Equation:
I = P x A x T.
This states that the
impact (I) on the environment is directly proportional to the population size (P), the ‘affluence’ (A) {defined as the resources a population consumes and wastes} and technology (T) through which we (1) prolong life, (2) produce things more quickly and cheaply (feeds back into consumerism and affluence) and (3) grow food faster – which feeds back into „population‟. All-in-all, this equation neatly summarises the impact of humankind on the planet.

The reality of the impact has already been mentioned: deforestation, soil erosion, salinity of the soil, waste disposal to landfill, desertification, declining fish stocks, global warming and rising sea levels and climate change. Politicians, unsure what to do, offer solutions which include suggestions such as: develop fuel efficient cars; change to efficient light bulbs; fly less; build renewable energy and nuclear power plant; increase mass transit systems; plant trees etc., etc. These solutions only address the reduction of the
Affluence and Technology terms, but never the Population term.

Reducing impact by decreasing affluence only partly addresses the problem since populations are growing faster than affluence decreases – vide Africa, India and the Philippines. Technology does not decrease. Whilst it can be used to reduce the impact of
affluence, it is likely that its benefits in energy saving devices will be cancelled by its disadvantages, as businesses continue to use it to maximise their economic growth via consumerism. So, realistically, impact will continue to rise since economic growth demands it. This is bad news since, as we will now see, human impact on the planet is already unsustainable.
Few would argue with the statement that „
population cannot continue to increase indefinitely‟. But this begs the question: "Have we exceeded the limit?" This question demands a reply to: "How do we define the limit?" A reasonable answer, I suggest, is: "The limit of population at any given time is determined by the planet‟s ability to support that population‟s impact indefinitely." So: "Is the current population sustainable?" To throw some light on this, we need to use a tool called Ecological Footprinting developed in the 1990s by William Rees and Mathis Wackernagel. It is now managed by the Global Footprinting Network (GFN) and publishes annually the ecological parameters for every country in the Living Planet Reports of the World Wildlife Fund (WWF). The latest of these reports appeared in 2006 and gives footprinting statistics for 2003. What follows is based on data taken from that report.

Ecological Footprinting
Biocapacity

Ecological Footprinting measures the impact of humans population on the planet. It first measures how much resource the planet generates in a year and then calculates how much we use: a biological income - expenditure account. On the income side, the total biological product over a year is called the planet‟s
total biocapacity and is defined as the biologically productive area of land and water arising from forests, croplands, grazing lands and fishing grounds needed to:
a) produce sustainably all the biomass we use and
b) absorb all the waste we produce, including CO2 emissions
Total biocapacity is measured in
global hectares - defined as the total biocapacity divided by the total physical area generating it. In 2003, the earth‟s total biocapacity was 11.2 billion gha (Ggha). However, a more useful measure is the biocapacity per head of population in units of global hectares per capita (gha/cap). Called simply the biocapacity, it describes the average land area available to sustain each person. In 2003, since there was a population of 6.3 billion humans sharing the earth‟s 11.2 Ggha, the biocapacity was 1.78 global hectares per person.




Rest of equation and data here

http://www.populationmatters.org/documents/sustainable_populations.pdf


But the answer in rough figures lies in the conclusion

Concluding Remarks and Observations
The Global Network Footprint statistics show that, globally, we left sustainability behind during the late 1980s. Since then, increasing world affluence and populations have driven us deeper into unsustainable territory. The carbon dioxide emissions of each country pollute the atmosphere for every other nation and the human urge to improve its affluence, or impact through Technology – no matter how well off it already is – is a driver that seems set to continue. It follows that if affluence and technology are not able to decrease, then the only parameter left to reduce is
population. The ecological footprinting data analysed in this paper have given guidelines; a sustainable global population is around two to three billion people; for the UK, the figure is between 17 and 27 million.

http://www.populationmatters.org/documents/sustainability_populations.pdf
 
I'm still waiting for you to explain why CO2 magically has become the driving force of climate when it was never so in any time in the past.

I know you think you have a 'Gotcha!' with this - but the fact is, your floating this is a dead give-away that your grasp of the science is very limited. You have to be able to use abstract reasoning. Critical thinking is always a handy devise, but scientific thinking moves in regions a bit more rarefied than the lower cognitive mind.

Again, just a random google - please note the graph in the following link - "This graph, based on the comparison of atmospheric samples contained in ice cores and more recent direct measurements, provides evidence that atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution." Also, it shows that the level of CO2 has climbed since 1950 to levels never before seen. Why is this important? Because: "The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century. Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA. Increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response."

LINK: Climate Change: Evidence

Text: "The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 7,000 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.

"The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years.

"Earth-orbiting satellites and other technological advances have enabled scientists to see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate on a global scale. Studying these climate data collected over many years reveal the signals of a changing climate.

"Certain facts about Earth's climate are not in dispute:

  • The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century. Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA. Increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response.
  • Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that the Earth’s climate responds to changes in solar output, in the Earth’s orbit, and in greenhouse gas levels. They also show that in the past, large changes in climate have happened very quickly, geologically-speaking: in tens of years, not in millions or even thousands."
PLEASE NOTE: "Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that the Earth’s climate responds to changes in solar output, in the Earth’s orbit, and in greenhouse gas levels."

Where are you getting your information? You make statements as though you are stating facts but you do not back them up. You grumble about Mike - well, he's doing his due diligence - supplying factual back-up to his views. You, I fear, are doing nothing but spouting random stuff you've heard or read. Care to post the links to the evidence you are using?
 
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From this Link: Climate Change: Evidence

Global temperature rise

"All three major global surface temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880. Most of this warming has occurred since the 1970s, with the 20 warmest years having occurred since 1981 and with all 10 of the warmest years occurring in the past 12 years. Even though the 2000s witnessed a solar output decline resulting in an unusually deep solar minimum in 2007-2009, surface temperatures continue to increase."

Warming oceans
"The oceans have absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 700 meters (about 2,300 feet) of ocean showing warming of 0.302 degrees Fahrenheit since 1969."

And so on.......


 
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I know you think you have a 'Gotcha!' with this - but the fact is, your floating this is a dead give-away that your grasp of the science is very limited. You have to be able to use abstract reasoning. Critical thinking is always a handy devise, but scientific thinking moves in regions a bit more rarefied than the lower cognitive mind.

Exactly, and we are seeing this manifest in the simplistic demand for a "magic number"

When in reality the question how many is too many cannot be expressed as a simple headcount.

It depends on the resources those heads consume, the figure is always a variable based on other factors.

The answer to the question isnt a headcount number its

"The limit of population at any given time is determined by the planet‟s ability to support that population‟s impact indefinitely."

And according to the data

The Global Network Footprint statistics show that, globally, we left sustainability behind during the late 1980s. Since then, increasing world affluence and populations have driven us deeper into unsustainable territory. The carbon dioxide emissions of each country pollute the atmosphere for every other nation and the human urge to improve its affluence, or impact through Technology – no matter how well off it already is – is a driver that seems set to continue. It follows that if affluence and technology are not able to decrease, then the only parameter left to reduce is population.

Ergo we have been globally overpopulated since the late 80's.

His insistance overpopulation has to be expressed as a magic number, a headcount, Demonstrates his simplistic ignorance of how overpopulation is calculated.

Due to the variables involved it could never be expressed as a headcount, its much more complex than that
 
And again the debate about whether carbon emissions are causing warming aside, as this report points out, increased population means increased carbon emissions


CONCLUSION
The Australian Labor Government is in a diabolically difficult policy situation. It wants to be seen as an enlightened contributor to solutions to the global warming crisis. To this end it has given an 'unconditional commitment' to CPRS-5 by 2020 and flagged that it may be willing to introduce even greater cuts. It has the example of the EU which has committed to a 20 per cent cut in aggregate greenhouse emissions by 2020 relative to year 1990 levels. Even the United States Government has announced a commitment to reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 17 per cent by 2020 relative to 2005 levels.

The Australian Government will have to state its 'guaranteed emission targets' for 2020 by 31 January 2010 if it is to meet the terms of the Copenhagen Accord agreed to on 18 December 2009. (18) If the government is unwilling to go beyond the CPRS-5 goal to 2020 it will be exposed as a pretender in climate abatement circles. Those involved know that much more severe cuts are required if atmospheric greenhouse gases levels are even to be stabilised.

Yet as this paper has shown, there is little prospect of Australia achieving even the CPRS-5 objective. The Treasury-led modelling shows that, under the reference case, Australia's emissions will increase from 553 million tonnes in 2000 to 774 million tonnes by 2020. This expansion will be driven by a booming minerals-led economy, as well as rapid population growth. The Australian Government is riding this boom and thus is unlikely to enforce a cap on emissions which would achieve the CPRS-5 objective, even if it gets the CPRS legislation through the Parliament.

There is a relatively painless option available, which is a commitment to stabilising Australia's population. We have shown that population growth contributes 83 per cent to the total growth in greenhouse gases projected in the Treasury's reference case to 2020. Thus population stabilisation could massively ease the pain of achieving the CPRS-5 or even the CPRS-15 objective.

The simple arithmetic is as follows. If Australia's population had remained at 19.2 million to 2020 the achievement of the CPRS-5 goal would only have required a per capita reduction in greenhouse emissions from 28.8 tonnes per head in 2000 to 27.3 tonnes per head in 2020. But if Australia's population reaches 25.2 million by 2020 the achievement of CPRS-5 will require per capita emissions to fall to 20.8 tonnes. A fall of this magnitude over the next decade is not plausible.

The population option has been ignored by most participants in the greenhouse abatement debate, perhaps because few of them appreciate the crucial role of population growth in Australia's emission burden.

We hope that this article will at least remove the excuse of ignorance

Population growth and Australia's 2020 greenhouse gas emission commitments. - Free Online Library
 
Mike,

We live on a planet. In some places there is abundances of resources, food, water, and other resources. In some places there is a lack of these things. The problem is not overpopulation. Getting rid of people will not put food on the tables of people living in the areas with a lack of resources. The problem is not people. The solution, however, is people. Because the solution is to be able to distribute resources from places that have an abundance to places that don't. It's just that simple.
I'm not worried about overpopulation at all.

Just look at the rise of infertility, obesity starting in childhood, the end of vaccine utility, air pollution, etc...

I think that problem will correct itself.
 
I'm not worried about overpopulation at all.

Just look at the rise of infertility, obesity starting in childhood, the end of vaccine utility, air pollution, etc...

I think that problem will correct itself.

This emeritus professor seems to agree

Eminent biologist Professor Frank Fenner, who helped to eradicate smallpox, recently made the dire prediction that humans will probably be extinct within the next 100 years due to overpopulation, environmental destruction and climate change.

Fenner, who is emeritus professor of microbiology at the Australian National University (ANU) in Canberra, said homo sapiens will not be able to survive the population explosion and “unbridled consumption,” and will become extinct, perhaps within a century, along with many other species. United Nations official figures from last year estimate the human population is 6.8 billion, and is predicted to pass seven billion next year.
Fenner told The Australian he tries not to express his pessimism because people are trying to do something, but keep putting it off. He said he believes the situation is irreversible, and it is too late because the effects we have had on Earth since industrialization (a period now known to scientists unofficially as the Anthropocene) rivals any effects of ice ages or comet impacts.

Fenner said that climate change is only at its beginning, but is likely to be the cause of our extinction. “We’ll undergo the same fate as the people on Easter Island,” he said. More people means fewer resources, and Fenner predicts “there will be a lot more wars over food.”
Easter Island is famous for its massive stone statues. Polynesian people settled there, in what was then a pristine tropical island, around the middle of the first millennium AD. The population grew slowly at first and then exploded. As the population grew the forests were wiped out and all the tree animals became extinct, both with devastating consequences. After about 1600 the civilization began to collapse, and had virtually disappeared by the mid-19th century. Evolutionary biologist Jared Diamond said the parallels between what happened on Easter Island and what is occurring today on the planet as a whole are “chillingly obvious.”



Originally Posted: http://thetechjournal.com/science/eminent-scientist-claims-humans-will-be-extinct-in-100-years.xhtml#ixzz32V7P1pdA

''Human-driven climate change poses a great threat, unprecedented in type and scale, to wellbeing, health and perhaps even to human survival,'' they write.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/climate-change-could-make-humans-extinct-warns-health-expert-20140330-35rus.html#ixzz32V8pule1

Stephen Emmott is a professor of computing at Oxford University and head of Microsoft's Computational Science Laboratory in Cambridge. His lab is devoted to finding new techniques and ideas for solving key scientific problems. One of his research groups works on small-scale issues including the make-up of living cells and includes immunologists and neuroscientists. Another group is focused on global problems including the carbon cycle and is made up of plant biologists and marine ecologists.

We are in a desperate situation and I don't think people realise that. Many think we will find a clever solution sometime in the future, like building solar shields in space to keep our planet cool. I am going to tell the audience that these ideas are very suspect. Radical behaviour change is what is really needed. Our problems are not just those concerned with carbon emissions. There are so many other things – overfishing, destroying habitats and eradicating species – that we need to change. It is either that or sit and do nothing which, in effect, is the position we have adopted so far. Science has spent far too long hiding behind caveats. We have to come off the shelf although I suspect it may too late now. Indeed, the show will end with my admitting to the audience that I think we are fucked.

Stephen Emmott: overpopulation is at the root of all the planet's troubles | Science | The Observer
 
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Does anyone posting about a "hoax/conspiracy" have a degree in the field being discussed? If not you have zero credibility. If so, please point to the research you've published in reputable scientific journals.
 
Mike, how much research have you done?
Perhaps you're new around here but you have no idea just how ridiculous that statement actually is.

Btw I find most of your statements around life on planet earth and the ecosystems that sustain those lives to be entirely anti-planet. Much of it, whether you realize it or not, is the conservative corporate voice that says, "Everything's fine, nothing to worry about around here. Don't worry about those species dying over there. You know, that kind of talk is just fear and paranoia. And those tree huggers like Cousteau, Suzuki and Goodall - a bunch of schmucks!" That's the voice that is the prelude to green lighting the continued industrial exploitation of any consumable resource no matter the ecological cost, the one cost capitalism is apparently blind to. Your voice on this topic promotes sightlessness.

That talk, along with talk about how AGW is all poppycock, is actually a conspiracist, pro-oncelor and mostly rhetorical voice as you continue to demonstrate. Maybe you didn't watch The Lorax in grade 5?

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Mike doesn't research!? Sheesh! He's probably the heaviest lifter out here, and been lifting for a very long time if you hadn't noticed. If you keep up this challenge he'll hit 6,000 posts before May's finished.

*my goodness how this topic brings out the ire and disbelief pudding*
 
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