How Silly is Climate Change Denial?

[Tyger]

Well that is clear enough. Thank you for this thread pixelsmith. I have enjoyed posting to it. I would also like to thank ufology for helping to make clear what your position is. I think everybody else is clear about what they believe.

WTF? This is beyond belief!

I'm sorry, flipper, but this little bit of cadging to the ultimate internet bully has me speechless.

Please look at this thread: Global Warming Happy Fun-Time | The Paracast Community Forums
The foregoing thread was started by Angel of Loren in July 2012 and ended in October 2013. Pixel was dominant on that thread. His was the second post on the thread as well as the last post. His last post there references the 97% consensus btw. That thread ended at 37 pages.

Fast forward a handful of months: Angel of Loren starts this thread in May 2014 - not Pixelsmith, please note. The conversation proceeds for 23 pages when Pixelsmith makes his appearance with post#457. Pixelsmith dive-bombs the thread with one-liner posts (I personally think Pixelsmith is trying to catch up to Gene Steinberg's post count). He begins posting one-liner posts 4 and 5 in a row - and becomes abusive to any poster who diverges from his pov. This is what you are thanking Pixel for? By page 28 the thread undergoes a complete breakdown. Posters leave the abusive atmosphere. Manxman jumped in and he and Pixel engaged in pretty nasty stuff overall. Posters became a focus for hectoring. My "offense' seemed to be that I dared stay on the thread and post my thoughts and links. Pixel simply seems unable to abide opposing views, and does all he can to silence them.

What's very telling is that the previous thread ended with Pixel's last post - he had the last word. It ended at page 37. This thread broke down by page 28, very shortly after Pixel began posting on the thread, 4 months into it's life. Pixel was doing everything he could to smash it into silence - and this is what you are thanking Pixel for?

In fact, Pixel presents no novel or new ideas - he just relentlessly repeats the same, exact same, sentences over-and-over again. He may be copy-and-pasting his own text for all I know.

As best as I can make out the Paracast chat site world boils down to those who believe the world is riddled with conspiracies, and is probably a matrix-type computer simulation, on the one hand, and some very erudite, level-headed, sensible sorts on the other. It is the latter that makes posting here worthwhile. It's the former folks who give lip-service to science but actually are anti-science. Unless one subscribes to the conspiracist view, one is fair game it seems. I would not be one to thank Pixel for anything, and he has been very far from making posting on this thread 'enjoyable'. To each his own.

 

[flipper]

WTF? This is beyond belief!

I'm sorry, flipper, but this little bit of cadging to the ultimate internet bully has me speechless.

Please look at this thread: Global Warming Happy Fun-Time | The Paracast Community Forums
The foregoing thread was started by Angel of Loren in July 2012 and ended in October 2013. Pixel was dominant on that thread. His was the second post on the thread as well as the last post. His last post there references the 97% consensus btw. That thread ended at 37 pages.

Fast forward a handful of months: Angel of Loren starts this thread in May 2014 - not Pixelsmith, please note. The conversation proceeds for 23 pages when Pixelsmith makes his appearance with post#457. Pixelsmith dive-bombs the thread with one-liner posts (I personally think Pixelsmith is trying to catch up to Gene Steinberg's post count). He begins posting one-liner posts 4 and 5 in a row - and becomes abusive to any poster who diverges from his pov. This is what you are thanking Pixel for? By page 28 the thread undergoes a complete breakdown. Posters leave the abusive atmosphere. Manxman jumped in and he and Pixel engaged in pretty nasty stuff overall. Posters became a focus for hectoring. My "offense' seemed to be that I dared stay on the thread and post my thoughts and links. Pixel simply seems unable to abide opposing views, and does all he can to silence them.

What's very telling is that the previous thread ended with Pixel's last post. It ended at page 37. This thread broke down by page 28, very shortly after Pixel began posting on the thread, 4 months into it's life. Pixel was doing everything he could to smash it into silence - and this is what you are thanking Pixel for?

In fact, Pixel presents no novel or new ideas - he just relentlessly repeats the same, exact same, sentences over-and-over again. He may be copy-and-pasting his own text for all I know.

As best as I can make out the Paracast chat site world boils down to those who believe the world is riddled with conspiracies, and is probably a matrix-type computer simulation. These folks give lip-service to science but actually are anti-science. Unless one subscribes to the conspiracist view, one is fair game it seems. I would not be one to thank Pixel for anything, and he has been very far from making posting on this thread 'enjoyable'. To each his own.

Well if pixelsmith did not post then no one would have any reason to post, because all would agree. You are right of course, insults, hurtful comments and one liners that contribute nothing to the discussion are not useful and are mean spirited. I would ask why you and Mike keep posting when when pixelsmith is only acting like an ass (I am not taking about donkeys) and will not change his view, at least if he does you will never know about it. Your last comment is unfair to all on the chat form. It dismisses everyone into two ways of thinking and I think that are as many ways of thinking as there are forum members. I have strayed from the subject of the thread to discuss persons on the thread, I have tried not to do that.

 

[pixelsmith]

What happened to that whole bit about conspiracists being the nicer and kinder people compared to conservative thinkers?

Regardless, I'm amazed that this thread continues. The only thing that generates as much ill will on this forum is talk about the underclass and poverty. It's a perplexing bit of insight into the human psyche to be certain.

Do you have any idea how many animal and plant life forms have gone extinct before humans ever existed? The earth will be fine with or without humans. The earth will continue to "pollute" itself as will humans and the earth as well as humans will adapt. That is what life forms have done on this planet for millions of years. That is how life evolves.
Yes we can be mindful and try not to shit in our beds but you alarmists need to redirect your energies to real issues and not think you will ever SAVE the planet.


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[pixelsmith]

WTF? This is beyond belief!

I'm sorry, flipper, but this little bit of cadging to the ultimate internet bully has me speechless.

Please look at this thread: Global Warming Happy Fun-Time | The Paracast Community Forums
The foregoing thread was started by Angel of Loren in July 2012 and ended in October 2013. Pixel was dominant on that thread. His was the second post on the thread as well as the last post. His last post there references the 97% consensus btw. That thread ended at 37 pages.

Fast forward a handful of months: Angel of Loren starts this thread in May 2014 - not Pixelsmith, please note. The conversation proceeds for 23 pages when Pixelsmith makes his appearance with post#457. Pixelsmith dive-bombs the thread with one-liner posts (I personally think Pixelsmith is trying to catch up to Gene Steinberg's post count). He begins posting one-liner posts 4 and 5 in a row - and becomes abusive to any poster who diverges from his pov. This is what you are thanking Pixel for? By page 28 the thread undergoes a complete breakdown. Posters leave the abusive atmosphere. Manxman jumped in and he and Pixel engaged in pretty nasty stuff overall. Posters became a focus for hectoring. My "offense' seemed to be that I dared stay on the thread and post my thoughts and links. Pixel simply seems unable to abide opposing views, and does all he can to silence them.

What's very telling is that the previous thread ended with Pixel's last post. It ended at page 37. This thread broke down by page 28, very shortly after Pixel began posting on the thread, 4 months into it's life. Pixel was doing everything he could to smash it into silence - and this is what you are thanking Pixel for?

In fact, Pixel presents no novel or new ideas - he just relentlessly repeats the same, exact same, sentences over-and-over again. He may be copy-and-pasting his own text for all I know.

As best as I can make out the Paracast chat site world boils down to those who believe the world is riddled with conspiracies, and is probably a matrix-type computer simulation. These folks give lip-service to science but actually are anti-science. Unless one subscribes to the conspiracist view, one is fair game it seems. I would not be one to thank Pixel for anything, and he has been very far from making posting on this thread 'enjoyable'. To each his own.

I offered to debate you point by point after you learned something from that video I posted. You were intellectually unable.




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[Randall]

Do you have any idea how many animal and plant life forms have gone extinct before humans ever existed? The earth will be fine with or without humans. The earth will continue to "pollute" itself as will humans and the earth as well as humans will adapt. That is what life forms have done on this planet for millions of years. That is how life evolves.
Yes we can be mindful and try not to shit in our beds but you alarmists need to redirect your energies to real issues and not think you will ever SAVE the planet.

Great post. But here's another thought: We're the only species we know of that has ever existed on the planet that might have a chance of "saving the planet" if we put our minds to it. That in itself is pretty amazing. So maybe it doesn't hurt to take a closer look at what we might be able to do if things really are headed in a bad direction for us, no matter what that cause might be.

 

[pixelsmith]

Great post. But here's another thought: We're the only species we know of that has ever existed on the planet that might have a chance of "saving the planet" if we put our minds to it. That in itself is pretty amazing. So maybe it doesn't hurt to take a closer look at what we might be able to do if things really are headed in a bad direction for us, no matter what that cause might be.

We are and I am all for reducing pollution exploring alternative non subsidized energies but we will never save the planet from anything. It doesn't care if humans are here or not. Ask the people of Pompeii about that.

Mike, Tyger, Burnt even Maudib are all well meaning people. They just don't know enough about the subject yet. If they keep exploring BOTH sides of the science like they should, they will understand very soon they don't know as much as they thought.

 

[Tyger]

I offered to debate you point by point after you learned something from that video I posted. You were intellectually unable.

Doesn't work that way. You have to show your own intellectual grasp of the situation - and you never have. You've never even given evidence as to having read the links to scientific papers. One-liner posts, with jibs and jabs and denigrating ad hominems, are pointless wastes of posting count. If you present as a credible thinker one might be inclined to answer one of your posts, but no one is obliged to in any event to answer anyone. Just the way it is.

BTW the history of video links posted by you does not speak well. Mostly they have proved a waste of time. The ones I did watch earlier on were shallow, guffawing, pointless exercises in non-debate. Therefore, I am not willing to watch anything more from you. That's the way it is. No time for it.

 

[Randall]

We are and I am all for reducing pollution exploring alternative non subsidized energies but we will never save the planet from anything. It doesn't care if humans are here or not. Ask the people of Pompeii about that.

Mike, Tyger, Burnt even Maudib are all well meaning people. They just don't know enough about the subject yet. If they keep exploring BOTH sides of the science like they should, they will understand very soon they don't know as much as they thought.

To be fair, I did say "... might have a chance ...", so between the "might" and the "chance" I tend to share your sentiment. But if we suppose that climate change is mainly due to something like solar radiation and greenhouse gasses, and that if nothing is done, the trend is to eventually end-up like Venus or Mars, there are things that humans can do that could mitigate the effects, including reducing our own greenhouse gasses, atmospheric modification, the engineering of giant space based solar shields and other terraforming technologies. No other species ( that we know of ), has ever been in a position to have a conscious directed environmental effect on a planetary scale. So although the planet may not care if we're here or not; we do care, and maybe there's something we can do after all.

 

[pixelsmith]

Doesn't work that way. You have to show your own intellectual grasp of the situation - and you never have. You've never even given evidence as to having read the links to scientific papers. One-liner posts, with jibs and jabs and denigrating ad hominems, are pointless wastes of posting count. If you present as a credible thinker one might be inclined to answer one of your posts, but no one is obliged to in any event to answer anyone. Just the way it is.

BTW the history of video links posted by you does not speak well. Mostly they have proved a waste of time. The ones I did watch earlier on were shallow, guffawing, pointless exercises in non-debate. Therefore, I am not willing to watch anything more from you. That's the way it is. No time for it.

Tyger I am sorry this thread has caused you so much anxiety. If you would please view the video(s) they will provide you with the information you desire from me. One liners is all I can offer you until you do.
I do find it interesting that you have some sort of fetish for post counts. I have never paid attention to them. Are post counts something you think about often?

 

[Tyger]

Well if pixelsmith did not post then no one would have any reason to post, because all would agree.

Not quite the way it was going, flipper. Read the first 23 pages of this thread - the first 4 months of its life. Plenty of debate. Since Pixel's arrival the diversity of posters has dramatically dwindled. I, however, have refused to be shouted down. I continue posting despite Pixel, not because of him. The others have come on in a spirit of 'let's give the kid some help'. Mike is always up for a rumble. (I know that too well. )

This thread would have merrily continued Pixel-free. It continues despite him. There is nothing to thank the dude for.

You are right of course, insults, hurtful comments and one liners that contribute nothing to the discussion are not useful and are mean spirited.

Good to know you do see that.

I would ask why you and Mike keep posting when when pixelsmith is only acting like an ass (I am not taking about donkeys) and will not change his view, at least if he does you will never know about it.

Are you honestly suggesting that due to Pixel's jerk behavior free expression should go silent? The previous thread effectively got shut down by him - he had the last word. No one was willing to continue banging their head against the wall that is Pixel. Should Pixel have the last word here? I have considered starting a new thread, but he would likely follow us over there like he did here.

I will keep posting as long as I have something to say, something to share, and not one second before. My posting is not a function of Pixel's presence on this thread. I don't even converse with him about the topic - never have, never will. It's pointless.

Your last comment is unfair to all on the chat form. It dismisses everyone into two ways of thinking and I think that are as many ways of thinking as there are forum members. I have strayed from the subject of the thread to discuss persons on the thread, I have tried not to do that.

The sentence was suppose to have another side but got lost. I will correct later. Must dash now. Toodles.

 

[pixelsmith]

To be fair, I did say "... might have a chance ...", so between the "might" and the "chance" I tend to share your sentiment, but if we suppose that climate change is mainly due to something like solar radiation and greenhouse gasses, and that if nothing is done, the trend is to eventually end-up like Venus or Mars, there are things that humans can do that could mitigate the effects, including reducing our own greenhouse gasses, atmospheric modification, the engineering of giant space based solar shields and other terraforming technologies. No other species ( that we know of ), has ever been in a position to have an effect on a planetary scale. So although the planet may not care if we're here or not; we do care, and maybe there's something we can do after all.

I am all for trying to survive. Thats is what all species do in the face of climate change, they adapt and evolve. The Polar Bear is a great example and quite ironically is used to represent the side of those who wish to somehow stop climate change, it shows how ignorant these alarmists are.

 

[Tyger]

Tyger I am sorry this thread has caused you so much anxiety.

What? It's nonsense like this that makes me question your ability to understand what you read.

If you would please view the video(s) they will provide you with the information you desire from me. One liners is all I can offer you until you do.

Again, read my response. I'll repeat it here for you -

Doesn't work that way. You have to show your own intellectual grasp of the situation - and you never have. You've never even given evidence as to having read the links to scientific papers. One-liner posts, with jibs and jabs and denigrating ad hominems, are pointless wastes of posting count. If you present as a credible thinker one might be inclined to answer one of your posts, but no one is obliged to in any event to answer anyone. Just the way it is.

BTW the history of video links posted by you does not speak well. Mostly they have proved a waste of time. The ones I did watch earlier on were shallow, guffawing, pointless exercises in non-debate. Therefore, I am not willing to watch anything more from you. That's the way it is. No time for it.

I do find it interesting that you have some sort of fetish for post counts. I have never paid attention to them. Are post counts something you think about often?

It's obvious you do, Pixel, because you are flooding this thread with your spam. I can only assume you want to crank up your post count.

 

[pixelsmith]

Not quite the way it was going, flipper. Read the first 23 pages of this thread - the first 4 months of its life. Plenty of debate. Since Pixel's arrival the diversity of posters has dramatically dwindled. I, however, have refused to be shouted down. I continue posting despite Pixel, not because of him. The others have come on in a spirit of 'let's give the kid some help'. Mike is always up for a rumble. (I know that too well. )

This thread would have merrily continued Pixel-free. It continues despite him. There is nothing to thank the dude for.



Good to know you do see that.



Are you honestly suggesting that due to Pixel's jerk behavior free expression should go silent? The previous thread effectively got shut down by him - he had the last word. No one was willing to continue banging their head against the wall that is Pixel. Should Pixel have the last word here? I have considered starting a new thread, but he would likely follow us over there like he did here.

I will keep posting as long as I have something to say, something to share, and not one second before. My posting is not a function of Pixel's presence on this thread. I don't even converse with him about the topic - never have, never will. It's pointless.



The sentence was suppose to have another side but got lost. I will correct later. Must dash now. Toodles.

Tyger maybe you should step away from this thread for awhile. It seems to have you all flustered and anxious. That is not healthy. Maybe take some time for yourself to relax and explore the other side of climate science like all good researchers do. Maybe watch the extremely interesting videos I posted. You might find them very interesting and helpful to this thread and your own research.

 

[pixelsmith]

It's obvious you do, Pixel, because you are flooding this thread with your spam. I can only assume you want to crank up your post count.

If Gene can do it I will give you ALL of my post counts. I don't care about them and it is obvious they are a big deal to you. Gene? can you do that for Tyger? It would mean a lot to him.

 

[pixelsmith]

The hypocrites get together again...


Lima Climate Talks Set for Record Carbon Footprint
Hardly green, Lima U.N. climate talks on track for record carbon footprint.
Lima Climate Talks Set for Record Carbon Footprint - US News

The Lima conference is expected to have the biggest carbon footprint of any U.N. climate meeting measured to date.

At more than 50,000 metric tons of carfb/phbon dioxide, the negotiations' burden on global warming will be about 1 1/2 times the norm, said Jorge Alvarez, project coordinator for the U.N. Development Program.

The venue is one big reason. It had to be built.

Eleven football fields of temporary structures arose for the 13-day negotiations from what three months ago was an empty field behind Peru's army's headquarters. Concrete was laid, plumbing installed, components flown in from as far as France and Brazil.

Standing in the midday sun here can get downright uncomfortable, but the Lima sun is not reliable. That's one reason solar panels were not used.

For electricity, the talks are relying exclusively on diesel generators.

 

[pixelsmith]

Greenpeace Azzholes..

Greenpeace activists stand next to massive letters delivering the message "Time for Change: The Future is Renewable" next to the hummingbird geoglyph in Nazca in Peru on Dec. 8. Greenpeace activists from Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Spain, Germany, Italy and Austria displayed the message, leading to castigation of the group on social media and outrage from the Peruvian government, which said the activists' stunt caused "irreversible" damage to the delicate site.

When the stunt-planners at Greenpeace sent teams of activists to trespass this week at Peru's Nazca archeological site, they must have thought their bumper-sticker messaging would look good on a Facebook page next to the 2,000-year-old geodesic drawings.

After all, the group is known for stringing banners from bridges and skyscrapers to draw attention to its environmental campaigns, and with U.N. climate talks taking place in Lima this week, the activists clearly wanted to make an impact.

And so they have. The impact of their footprints on the fragile desert site, in fact, will last "hundreds or thousands of years," according to outraged Peruvian officials.

So furious is the Peruvian government that it has barred the Greenpeace activists from leaving the country and is preparing criminal charges for "attacking archeological monuments," punishable by up to eight years in prison.

continued.....
How a Greenpeace stunt in Peru drives home the global climate divide - The Washington Post

 

[Tyger]

Tyger maybe you should step away from this thread for awhile.

Well, that's your aim, correct? To shut down discussion. Maybe I will leave this thread - leave you to this one. Let you have the final post like you got on the other one. I'll start another thread more along the theme that interests me. Have fun, Pixel.

It seems to have you all flustered and anxious. That is not healthy.

Here is proof positive that you are talking through your hat most of the time. You have a significant inability to interpret text - and this is the proof.

Maybe take some time for yourself to relax and explore the other side of climate science like all good researchers do. Maybe watch the extremely interesting videos I posted. You might find them very interesting and helpful to this thread and your own research.

They would be interesting only in the sense of revealing more of the tangled, knotted and scrambled thinking you engage in imo. Trying to unravel it for you is not my interest. Carry on!

 

[Tyger]

Well if pixelsmith did not post then no one would have any reason to post, because all would agree. You are right of course, insults, hurtful comments and one liners that contribute nothing to the discussion are not useful and are mean spirited. I would ask why you and Mike keep posting when when pixelsmith is only acting like an ass (I am not taking about donkeys) and will not change his view, at least if he does you will never know about it. Your last comment is unfair to all on the chat form. It dismisses everyone into two ways of thinking and I think that are as many ways of thinking as there are forum members. I have strayed from the subject of the thread to discuss persons on the thread, I have tried not to do that.

@flipper I have amended the comment as it seems I did not fully write out what I intended. Here is the edit -

As best as I can make out the Paracast chat site world boils down to those who believe the world is riddled with conspiracies, and is probably a matrix-type computer simulation, on the one hand, and some very erudite, level-headed, sensible sorts on the other. It is the latter that makes posting here worthwhile. It's the former folks who give lip-service to science but actually are anti-science. Unless one subscribes to the conspiracist view, one is fair game it seems.

 

[pixelsmith]

Well, that's your aim, correct? To shut down discussion. Maybe I will leave this thread - leave you to this one. Let you have the final post like you got on the other one. I'll start another thread more along the theme that interests me. Have fun, Pixel.

Here is proof positive that you are talking through your hat most of the time. You have a significant inability to interpret text - and this is the proof.

They would be interesting only in the sense of revealing more of the tangled, knotted and scrambled thinking you engage in imo. Trying to unravel it for you is not my interest. Carry on!

The video will unravel it for you but I guess you are unable to comprehend information that is way over your head.


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[Tyger]

Lecture begins at 3:15. This entire lecture is essential listening for those fuzzy on exactly how science works. At 11:00 some pertinent comments viv-a-vis what has been trolled on this thread as 'legitimate' counters to the science.

The way this works, however - if you've been reading - is that the lecturer will become the target of ad hominem attacks, no matter how distinguished or respected a scientist they are. (And in the US we can expect more of this as indicated in a previous post since the ALEC meeting). In sum - the ideas will not be discussed, the person will be.

I present this here simply to bring people 'up-to-speed' on 'how science works'.

Stephen H. Schneider ~ Is the Science of Global Warming Settled Enough for Policy?

TEXT: "Uploaded on Mar 29, 2011: Dr. Schneider is the Inaugural Visitor in the Zurich Financial Services Distinguished Visitors Program on Climate Change. He is the Melvin and Joan Lane Professor for Interdisciplinary Environmental Studies, Professor of Biological Sciences, and a Senior Fellow in the Woods Institute for the Environment at Stanford University. From 1973-1996 he served as a scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, where he co-founded the Climate Project. His research focuses on climate-change science, integrated assessment of ecological and economic impacts of human-induced climate change, and identifying viable climate policies and technological solutions. He has consulted for federal agencies and White House staff in six administrations."