Is this evidence that we can see the future?

[Angel of Ioren]

Wow, the degree of your admiration for these guys trips me out. Lighten up, it was just a meaningless barb.

Really? Accusing someone of being a pedophile is a meaningless barb? Let's see what Chris would say if I said something similar about Ray Standford. Someone got banned for questioning his credibility - sorry, but I think the comments were out of line.
It has nothing to do with admiration, although I do admire his work. It has more to do with common decency.

 

[Sean Elifritz]

Really? Accusing someone of being a pedophile is a meaningless barb? Let's see what Chris would say if I said something similar about Ray Standford. Someone got banned for questioning his credibility - sorry, but I think the comments were out of line.
It has nothing to do with admiration, although I do admire his work. It has more to do with common decency.

Lol...yeah, I guess so. But it ain't worth leaving the forum over. It isn't like you know Randi personally. Chris does know Ray personally.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Lol...yeah, I guess so. But it ain't worth leaving the forum over. It isn't like you know Randi personally. Chris does know Ray personally.

It doesn't change the fact that it's uncalled for.

 

[Sean Elifritz]

It doesn't change the fact that it's uncalled for.

Yeah, I guess it isn't. It's just impossible for me to get ralled up about it because I don't know the guy at all (Hell, I didn't even know he was gay). When someone says something about someone you know then emotions are going to get more heated.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Yeah, I guess it isn't. It's just impossible for me to get ralled up about it because I don't know the guy at all (Hell, I didn't even know he was gay). When someone says something about someone you know then emotions are going to get more heated.

He's still a human being that's in the public eye, and there's no need for slander regardless of weather you agree with his point of view or not.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

Let's see what Chris would say if I said something similar about Ray Standford. Someone got banned for questioning his credibility - sorry, but I think the comments were out of line.

Wrong Angelo... he was banned for venomously saying Ray was a "fraud" and full of shit, or something like that. I was cracking a joke. OK, maybe it wasn't the best joke I've ever cracked, but it was an attempt at humor.

 

[CapnG]

Way off topic here but for some reason that reminded me of an experience I had in college. I was in a debate with my professor and everyone else in my English class (Seriously, it was everyone vs me) about NAMBLA's right to speak on campus. I didn't think they should be invited (They were scheduled to do so in a week or so and did) and everyone else thought they should be. My professor was spouting off some nonsense about NAMBLA being a Greek thing (Hey, I still don't get it), another guy told me that if child molestation wasn't called child molestation then it wouldn't be child molestation (?), and another guy accused me of being anti-gay. The whole thing was pretty surreal and I'll never forget it.

Freedom of speech being what it is, NAMBLA can say whatever they want. Whether it's them, Neo-Nazis, Black Panthers, Fred Phelps or whoever, their right to speak must be granted no matter how wretched and vile the words. They have the right to speak, we have the right not to listen.

That said I'm kind of amazed at the notion of anyone inviting these freaks to give a presentation. If they requested time and/or paid for it it'd be one thing but an open invitation? It's just bizarre.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

Freedom of speech being what it is, NAMBLA can say whatever they want...That said I'm kind of amazed at the notion of anyone inviting these freaks to give a presentation.

What is the NAMBLA? Enlighten us straight people who don't keep up with the ins and outs of those w/ the other persuasion?

DANG! There I go: I did it AGAIN!

 

[Sean Elifritz]

What is the NAMBLA? Enlighten us straight people who don't keep up with the ins and outs of the other persuasions? DANG! I did it AGAIN!

North American Man Boy Love Association. They want it to be legal to have sex with kids.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

North American Man Boy Love Association. They want it to be legal to have sex with kids.

Holy moly! They actually have an organization that is public?! I'm sorry I asked... I seriously doubt that anyone as well-considered and public as Randi would belong to a group like that! At least I sincerely hope not... Just to be clear here. I admire Randi's convictions and his ability to be an effective spokesperson for the skeptical side. I think he throws the paranormal baby out with the bathwater, but he's entitled to his opinions and has put his money where his mouth is. (please don't take that wrong Angelo)

 

[tyder001]

Point is when Paul was a CO-HOST he put the AUDIO on here. IT wasn't hear say and it wasn't slander and it you look I'm sure it's still here somewhere. So, No I wasn't slandering the man. I was commenting on a previous post that was already HERE. Sheesh!

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Re-read my post. I was VERY careful not to mention/say/accuse him of anything slanderous. He came out of the closet, which prompted my original joke.

I didn't say that you're the one that said that. Tyder brought it up, and then you said you were careful not to mention it. I still maintain that's is unfounded. The only information I could find on it was on forums that really don't like him - you know, homeopathy, Silvia Browne fans, and various other things that he's debunked.

As for Ray Stanford, he has yet to prove anything that he says, so I won't say he's full of shit, but he has not come up with the evidence he said he has and it's been months. Considering he's sat on it for 30 years, i guess a few months isn't that bad though.

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Holy moly! They actually have an organization that is public?! I'm sorry I asked... I seriously doubt that anyone as well-considered and public as Randi would belong to a group like that! At least I sincerely hope not... Just to be clear here. I admire Randi's convictions and his ability to be n effective spokesperson for the skeptical side. I think he throws the paranormal baby out with the bathwater, but he's entitled to his opinions and has put his money where his mouth is. (please don't take that wrong Angelo)

No - Randi does not belong to that group.
And I would not have taken that wrong, but you had to add your stupid comment.

 

[tyder001]

James Randi, Pedophile? - The Rogan Board

I found this after a quick google. Also, Paul Kimbal is hardly a Slvia Browne fan.

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Miami

 

[Sean Elifritz]

Freedom of speech being what it is, NAMBLA can say whatever they want. Whether it's them, Neo-Nazis, Black Panthers, Fred Phelps or whoever, their right to speak must be granted no matter how wretched and vile the words. They have the right to speak, we have the right not to listen.

That said I'm kind of amazed at the notion of anyone inviting these freaks to give a presentation. If they requested time and/or paid for it it'd be one thing but an open invitation? It's just bizarre.

This was 15-20 years ago at Kent State University in Ohio. They had all sorts of characters coming to speak. Shortly before NAMBLA some guy representing some black group (I can't remember which one) gave a kill-whitie speech, lol. Seriously, it was nothing but a rant of how white people are evil and wouldn't the world be better if every white person was dead kind of thing. I referenced it during my argument with the class. I was fine with the guy being there but believed that if you're going to invite him then why not the KKK or Skinheads as well? Both are vile but hey, if you're gonna' have one then why discriminate against the other? Or just don't have any of them, including the black group. But they didn't see it that way, ha ha. Kill whitie was OK, kill blackie was not. It was a liberal-arts college and what seemed to me like some very strange, contradictory thinking was promoted there. But hey, I also saw Robert Hastings speak at Kent and that's when I got interested in UFOs.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

James Randi, Pedophile? - The Rogan Board

I found this after a quick google. Also, Paul Kimbal is hardly a Slvia Browne fan.

Yeah - Joe Rogan - a Truther. He's not a fan of Randi. Rogan's comedy is fine, but he's a moron when it comes to his conspiracy theories. He doesn't think we landed on the moon. To me, that equals moron.

 

[Sean Elifritz]

Holy moly! They actually have an organization that is public?! I'm sorry I asked... I seriously doubt that anyone as well-considered and public as Randi would belong to a group like that! At least I sincerely hope not... Just to be clear here. I admire Randi's convictions and his ability to be an effective spokesperson for the skeptical side. I think he throws the paranormal baby out with the bathwater, but he's entitled to his opinions and has put his money where his mouth is. (please don't take that wrong Angelo)

No, no. I never said Randi was affiliated with them. I just went off on some tangent about a college memory when homosexuality and pedophilia got mentioned. It wasn't Randi-related.

 

[tyder001]

Let's put this way. I work and have worked with kids who were abused. It's a horrible, horrible cycle. Sooooo, I wouldn't care if it was Saint Paul or Barny Rubble or Mr. Randi or the Pope. (Who skeptics have no problem linking with some rouge priest.) I despise ANYBODY who would hurt a child or cause that kind of pain. A silly believer-skeptic rah,rah debate pales in comparision.

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Yeah - Joe Rogan - a Truther. He's not a fan of Randi. Rogan's comedy is fine, but he's a moron when it comes to his conspiracy theories. He doesn't think we landed on the moon. To me, that equals moron.

Typical! Smoke, mirrors and dodge ball.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Let's put this way. I work and have worked with kids who were abused. It's a horrible, horrible cycle. Sooooo, I wouldn't care if it was Saint Paul or Barny Rubble or Mr. Randi or the Pope. (Who skeptics have no problem linking with some rouge priest.) I despise ANYBODY who would hurt a child or cause that kind of pain. A silly believer-skeptic rah,rah debate pales in comparision.

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Yeah - Joe Rogan - a Truther. He's not a fan of Randi. Rogan's comedy is fine, but he's a moron when it comes to his conspiracy theories. He doesn't think we landed on the moon. To me, that equals moron.

Typical! Smoke, mirrors and dodge ball.

The difference between Randi and the Pope is that the Pope actively protected actual pedophiles. Randi was accused by people that don't like him. Huge difference. So you're saying the fact that the information you found came from a conspiracy/truther site is irrelevant? I'd say it's truly relevant. Now, if the info came from a reputable source and not an internet forum, it would be a lot more relevant. No smoke and mirrors. Child abuse is terrible and accusing someone of it without proof is pretty bad too.

 

[tyder001]

Here ya go. An upcoming Guest. You can ask him yourself.

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td align="left" valign="top" width="95%">Re: James Randi: Is he a pedophile?</td><td align="right" valign="top" width="70">Quote</td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" valign="top">
I just discovered this site today as I was looking up info. on The Less-Than-Amazing's apparent secret sex life.
Jim Mosely who publishes "Saucer Smear", talks about the infamous "blackmail tape" apparently revealing Randi soliciting teen boys for sex. I heard Mosely interviewed on a podcast available free at theparacast site. Mosely was there reporting on the Randi story at the time back in the '90s and seems to know of what he speaks.

I confess I much dislike Randi's over-zealous, persecutory pseudo-skeptical,fundamentalist materialism. Now I have something else to dislike about Randi! He's apparently a dirty old man who likes teenage boys for sex. Of course, depending on the ages of his targets, he could have been flirting with a criminal charge.

"Pedophilia" may not be the right term to use though, as the term, correctly used, refers to attraction to prepubescent children, not sexually mature teens. Randi's apparent actions are ugly enough as they are, but would be even worse if he was targeting pre-teens.

Mosely, in a '99 Saucer Smear edition points out a certain hypocrisy about Randi regarding unsavoury sexuality, and quotes Randi, the dirty old man-?, as having once denounced psychic investigator Eldon Byrd as "a convicted child molester". This wasn't quite true even, as Byrd was convicted on child porn charges, not molestation.

Mosely also points out how Randi lied in various ways about the tape. An earlier poster mentioned he kept changing his story. Mosely mentions Randi later claimed he and his lawyer had wanted the entire tape played for a jury to hear, believing the tape, once heard, would exonerate Randi in the eyes of jurors. In fact, Mosely states that the reverse is true: Randi and his lawyer fought to have the tape excluded from court evidence!

Randi's apparently a serial liar among other rotten personality traits.

I was chagrined to learn something else new today: that Randi is originally from Canada. Worse, from my own old hometown of Toronto! Ugh.
He's not Toronto's proudest son by a long shot, imo!
He's a US citizen now. At least he's out of Canada, though I wouldn't exactly wish him on the US or the rest of the world. Perhaps he best belongs in a jail cell some place!</td></tr></tbody></table>

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So, question for Mr. Mosely. Or is he gonna be called a hack also Angel?

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Here ya go. An upcoming Guest. You can ask him yourself.

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td align="left" valign="top" width="95%">Re: James Randi: Is he a pedophile?</td><td align="right" valign="top" width="70">Quote</td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" valign="top">
I just discovered this site today as I was looking up info. on The Less-Than-Amazing's apparent secret sex life.
Jim Mosely who publishes "Saucer Smear", talks about the infamous "blackmail tape" apparently revealing Randi soliciting teen boys for sex. I heard Mosely interviewed on a podcast available free at theparacast site. Mosely was there reporting on the Randi story at the time back in the '90s and seems to know of what he speaks.

I confess I much dislike Randi's over-zealous, persecutory pseudo-skeptical,fundamentalist materialism. Now I have something else to dislike about Randi! He's apparently a dirty old man who likes teenage boys for sex. Of course, depending on the ages of his targets, he could have been flirting with a criminal charge.

"Pedophilia" may not be the right term to use though, as the term, correctly used, refers to attraction to prepubescent children, not sexually mature teens. Randi's apparent actions are ugly enough as they are, but would be even worse if he was targeting pre-teens.

Mosely, in a '99 Saucer Smear edition points out a certain hypocrisy about Randi regarding unsavoury sexuality, and quotes Randi, the dirty old man-?, as having once denounced psychic investigator Eldon Byrd as "a convicted child molester". This wasn't quite true even, as Byrd was convicted on child porn charges, not molestation.

Mosely also points out how Randi lied in various ways about the tape. An earlier poster mentioned he kept changing his story. Mosely mentions Randi later claimed he and his lawyer had wanted the entire tape played for a jury to hear, believing the tape, once heard, would exonerate Randi in the eyes of jurors. In fact, Mosely states that the reverse is true: Randi and his lawyer fought to have the tape excluded from court evidence!

Randi's apparently a serial liar among other rotten personality traits.

I was chagrined to learn something else new today: that Randi is originally from Canada. Worse, from my own old hometown of Toronto! Ugh.
He's not Toronto's proudest son by a long shot, imo!
He's a US citizen now. At least he's out of Canada, though I wouldn't exactly wish him on the US or the rest of the world. Perhaps he best belongs in a jail cell some place!</td></tr></tbody></table>

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So, question for Mr. Mosely. Or is he gonna be called a hack also Angel?

I like Mosely. It doesn't change the fact that nothing was ever proven to be true. If it is, my opinion of Randi will change significantly.