ISIS and Israel

[mike]

Imo the worst thing we can do is walk away and hope it sorts itself out.

ISIL in the ME is a cancer, and its metastasizing in all the corners of the globe where Islam has a foothold.

Let the Caliphate stand in the ME and you will see the calls for it in countrys like Australia and britain and the US grow louder and louder.

These calls are already being heard, but the establishment of the Caliphate will stand as an example and inspiration to carry out the Koranic prophecy, which is to establish it globally.

In his 2007 book, Islamic Imperialism: A History Efraim Karsh explains the concept's origin:[8]
“ As a universal religion, Islam envisages a global political order in which all humankind will live under Muslim rule as either believers or subject communities. In order to achieve this goal it is incumbent on all free, male, adult Muslims to carry out an uncompromising struggle 'in the path of Allah,' or jihad. This in turn makes those parts of the world that have not yet been conquered by the House of Islam an abode of permanent conflict (Dar al-Harb, the house of War) which will only end with Islam's eventual triumph.


Destroying the Caliphate is paramount for a number of reasons, first and foremost to put an end to the barbaric stuff thats happening, but also it breaks the superstitious belief as expressed clearly in their recent manifesto that allah is with them, that he is going to make this happen.
Destroying the Caliphate undermines this superstitious confidence that their magic sky man is all powerful and that he wills this to happen.

Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT), an international organization that seeks to establish a worldwide Islamic theocracy, is increasing its efforts to spread its message and recruit members in the U.S.
The American branch of HT convened its 2012 Khilafah Conference, titled, "Revolution: Liberation by Revelation," on June 17, 2012, in the Chicago suburb of Hickory Hills, IL.
Messages at the conference primarily centered on promoting the organization's vision of establishing a worldwide Caliphate and how the revolutions in the Middle East can be utilized to reach the movement's goals.


The Koran prophesises a worldwide islamic theocracy, walking away from the caliphate in the ME and letting it expand is sheer folly.
It will expand financially, territorially and most importantly ideologically. Its popular support must not be allowed to grow, if it does it will eventually encompass pakistan and then it will have nukes............

Now mix these two and we have a big problem, because MAD wont matter to them, its not a deterant.

Establishing the global caliphate is more important than life itself, indeed to die for that very cause is seen as the highest honour.

The longer it stands the bigger it will get


So rush O Muslims and gather around your khalīfah, so that you may return as you once were for ages, kings of the earth and knights of war. Come so that you may be honored and esteemed, living as masters with dignity. Know that we fight over a religion that Allah promised to support. We fight for an ummah to which Allah has given honor, esteem, and leadership, promising it with empowerment and strength on the earth. Come O Muslims to your honor, to your victory. By Allah, if you disbelieve in democracy, secularism, nationalism, as well as all the other garbage and ideas from the west, and rush to your religion and creed, then by Allah, you will own the earth, and the east and west will submit to you. This is the promise of Allah to you. This is the promise of Allah to you.
{So do not weaken and do not grieve, and you will be superior if you are believers} [Āl ‘Imrān: 139].
This is the promise of Allah to you.
{If Allah should aid you, no one can overcome you} [Āl ‘Imrān: 160].
This is the promise of Allah to you.
{So do not weaken and call for peace while you are superior; and Allah is with you and will never deprive you of [the reward of] your deeds} [Muhammad: 35].
This is the promise of Allah to you.
{Allah has promised those who have believed among you and done righteous deeds that He will surely grant them succession [to authority] upon the earth just as He granted it to those before them and that He will surely establish for them [therein] their religion which He has preferred for them} [An-Nūr: 55].
So come to the promise of your Lord.

ISIS Spokesman Declares Caliphate, Rebrands Group as “Islamic State” | Jihadist News

a promise from Allah reserved for the Muslims, but with a condition. {They worship me [Allah] and do not associate anything with me} [An-Nūr: 55]. Having faith in Allah, keeping far from the gateways to shirk (polytheism) and its various shades, along with submitting to Allah’s command in everything big and small, and giving Him the level of obedience that makes your lusts, inclinations, and desires to be in compliance with what the Prophet (peace be upon him) came with – only after this condition is met will the promise be fulfilled. For by fulfilling this condition comes the ability to build,


reform, remove oppression, spread justice, and bring about safety and tranquility. Only by meeting this condition, will there be the succession, which Allah informed the angels about.
Without this condition being met, authority becomes nothing more than kingship, dominance and rule, accompanied with destruction, corruption, oppression, subjugation, fear, and the decadence of the human being and his descent to the level of animals. That is the reality of succession, which Allah created us for. It is not simply kingship, subjugation, dominance, and rule. Rather, succession is to utilize all that for the purpose of compelling the people to do what the Sharia (Allah’s law) requires of them concerning their interests in the hereafter and worldly life, which can only be achieved by carrying out the command of Allah, establishing His religion, and referring to His law for judgment.
This succession, along with the aforementioned reality, is the purpose for which Allah sent His messengers and revealed His scriptures, and for which the swords of jihad were unsheathed.
Indeed, Allah (the Exalted) honored the ummah (nation) of Muhammad and blessed them. He made them the best ummah of all peoples.
{You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah} [Āl ‘Imrān: 110].
And He promised to grant the ummah succession to authority.


Destroy the Caliphate and you undermine their sense of divine authority, which is whats driving them. fail to do so, and you will do the opposite they will take it as a "sign" what they are doing (establishing a global caliphate) has allahs blessing and power behind it.
Let it stand and it will be a sign and inspiration to the muslim enclaves the world over, the time is now to impose sharia on the world as the koran says must happen.
With the establishment of a nuke armed caliphate in the ME and europe, the rest of the world will have no choice but to follow suit, and not resist the local push for kalifah, and they will have the resources and the numbers, the money ,the territory the equipment the popularity and the hearts of its members to crush that resistance.

Imo the worst thing we can do is walk away and hope it sorts itself out.

ISIL in the ME is a cancer, and its metastasizing in all the corners of the globe where Islam has a foothold.

Let the Caliphate stand in the ME and you will see the calls for it in countrys like Australia and britain and the US grow louder and louder.

These calls are already being heard, but the establishment of the Caliphate will stand as an example and inspiration to carry out the Koranic prophecy, which is to establish it globally.

In his 2007 book, Islamic Imperialism: A History Efraim Karsh explains the concept's origin:[8]
“ As a universal religion, Islam envisages a global political order in which all humankind will live under Muslim rule as either believers or subject communities. In order to achieve this goal it is incumbent on all free, male, adult Muslims to carry out an uncompromising struggle 'in the path of Allah,' or jihad. This in turn makes those parts of the world that have not yet been conquered by the House of Islam an abode of permanent conflict (Dar al-Harb, the house of War) which will only end with Islam's eventual triumph.


Destroying the Caliphate is paramount for a number of reasons, first and foremost to put an end to the barbaric stuff thats happening, but also it breaks the superstitious belief as expressed clearly in their recent manifesto that allah is with them, that he is going to make this happen.
Destroying the Caliphate undermines this superstitious confidence that their magic sky man is all powerful and that he wills this to happen.

Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT), an international organization that seeks to establish a worldwide Islamic theocracy, is increasing its efforts to spread its message and recruit members in the U.S.
The American branch of HT convened its 2012 Khilafah Conference, titled, "Revolution: Liberation by Revelation," on June 17, 2012, in the Chicago suburb of Hickory Hills, IL.
Messages at the conference primarily centered on promoting the organization's vision of establishing a worldwide Caliphate and how the revolutions in the Middle East can be utilized to reach the movement's goals.


The Koran prophesises a worldwide islamic theocracy, walking away from the caliphate in the ME and letting it expand is sheer folly.
It will expand financially, territorially and most importantly ideologically. Its popular support must not be allowed to grow, if it does it will eventually encompass pakistan and then it will have nukes............

Now mix these two and we have a big problem, because MAD wont matter to them, its not a deterant.

Establishing the global caliphate is more important than life itself, indeed to die for that very cause is seen as the highest honour.

The longer it stands the bigger it will get


So rush O Muslims and gather around your khalīfah, so that you may return as you once were for ages, kings of the earth and knights of war. Come so that you may be honored and esteemed, living as masters with dignity. Know that we fight over a religion that Allah promised to support. We fight for an ummah to which Allah has given honor, esteem, and leadership, promising it with empowerment and strength on the earth. Come O Muslims to your honor, to your victory. By Allah, if you disbelieve in democracy, secularism, nationalism, as well as all the other garbage and ideas from the west, and rush to your religion and creed, then by Allah, you will own the earth, and the east and west will submit to you. This is the promise of Allah to you. This is the promise of Allah to you.
{So do not weaken and do not grieve, and you will be superior if you are believers} [Āl ‘Imrān: 139].
This is the promise of Allah to you.
{If Allah should aid you, no one can overcome you} [Āl ‘Imrān: 160].
This is the promise of Allah to you.
{So do not weaken and call for peace while you are superior; and Allah is with you and will never deprive you of [the reward of] your deeds} [Muhammad: 35].
This is the promise of Allah to you.
{Allah has promised those who have believed among you and done righteous deeds that He will surely grant them succession [to authority] upon the earth just as He granted it to those before them and that He will surely establish for them [therein] their religion which He has preferred for them} [An-Nūr: 55].
So come to the promise of your Lord.

ISIS Spokesman Declares Caliphate, Rebrands Group as “Islamic State” | Jihadist News

a promise from Allah reserved for the Muslims, but with a condition. {They worship me [Allah] and do not associate anything with me} [An-Nūr: 55]. Having faith in Allah, keeping far from the gateways to shirk (polytheism) and its various shades, along with submitting to Allah’s command in everything big and small, and giving Him the level of obedience that makes your lusts, inclinations, and desires to be in compliance with what the Prophet (peace be upon him) came with – only after this condition is met will the promise be fulfilled. For by fulfilling this condition comes the ability to build,


reform, remove oppression, spread justice, and bring about safety and tranquility. Only by meeting this condition, will there be the succession, which Allah informed the angels about.
Without this condition being met, authority becomes nothing more than kingship, dominance and rule, accompanied with destruction, corruption, oppression, subjugation, fear, and the decadence of the human being and his descent to the level of animals. That is the reality of succession, which Allah created us for. It is not simply kingship, subjugation, dominance, and rule. Rather, succession is to utilize all that for the purpose of compelling the people to do what the Sharia (Allah’s law) requires of them concerning their interests in the hereafter and worldly life, which can only be achieved by carrying out the command of Allah, establishing His religion, and referring to His law for judgment.
This succession, along with the aforementioned reality, is the purpose for which Allah sent His messengers and revealed His scriptures, and for which the swords of jihad were unsheathed.
Indeed, Allah (the Exalted) honored the ummah (nation) of Muhammad and blessed them. He made them the best ummah of all peoples.
{You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah} [Āl ‘Imrān: 110].
And He promised to grant the ummah succession to authority.



Destroy the Caliphate and you undermine their sense of divine authority, which is whats driving them. fail to do so, and you will do the opposite they will take it as a "sign" what they are doing (establishing a global caliphate) has allahs blessing and power behind it.
Let it stand and it will be a sign and inspiration to the muslim enclaves the world over the time is now to impose sharia on the world as the koran says must happen.
With the establishment of a nuke armed caliphate in the ME and europe, the rest of the world will have no choice but to follow suit, and not resist the local push for kalifah, and they will have the resources and the numbers, the money ,the territory the equipment the popularity and the hearts of its members to crush that resistance.

Its why mosques the world over are raising snd sending money to ISIL, this Caliphate is a test case, if its succeeds then they will have the foothold they need to expand to a global scale.


The Koran tells them they are the best of peoples, that it is their destiny to rule over the world.

We have two choices, let the caliphate grow and prosper confirming this worldview as correct.
Or wipe it out, thus causing them to question allahs "promise"

 

[mike]

No one can say it is no longer necessary to defend the frontiers and the territorial integrity of the Islamic homeland; that taxes such as the jizyah, kharāj, khums, and zakāt6 should no longer be collected; that the penal code of Islam, with its provisions for the payment of blood money and the exacting of requital, should be suspended. Any person who claims that the formation of an Islamic government is not necessary implicitly denies the necessity for the implementation of Islamic law, the universality and comprehensiveness of that law, and the eternal validity of the faith itself.

The Most Noble Messenger (s) headed the executive and administrative institutions of Muslim society. In addition to conveying the revelation and expounding and interpreting the articles of faith and the ordinances and institutions of Islam, he undertook the implementation of law and the establishment of the ordinances of Islam, thereby, bringing into being the Islamic state. He did not content himself with the promulgation of law; rather, he implemented it at the same time, cutting off hands and administering lashings, and stonings. After the Most Noble Messenger (s), his successor had the same duty and function. When the Prophet (s) appointed a successor, it was not only for the purpose of expounding articles of faith and law; it was for the implementation of law and the execution of God’s ordinances. It

The Necessity for Islamic Government | Islamic Government: Governance of the Jurist | Books on Islam and Muslims | Al-Islam.org

Al-Islam is not a radical group, its mainstream islam

The implementation of sharia is an essential element of the validity of the faith itself.
As is bringing sharia to every corner of the earth.
Its in Islams DNA

It is our duty to begin exerting ourselves now in order to establish a truly Islamic government. We must propagate our cause to the people, instruct them in it, and convince them of its validity. We must generate a wave of intellectual awakening, to emerge as a current throughout society, and gradually, to take shape as organized Islamic movement made up of the awakened, committed, and religious masses who will rise up and establish an Islamic government.
Program for the Establishment of an Islamic Government | Islamic Government: Governance of the Jurist | Books on Islam and Muslims | Al-Islam.org

 

[Tyger]

I am understanding your point of view (I think) but I am not persuaded that it is as dire as you posit. It is dire where it exists - yes, but I am not certain it requires pan-global foot-stomping by the US. Others need to step up. Enough has been done by the US - enough damage and mistakes. Way too much. It's time for the Arabs (and Israel) to join forces to bring sanity to that part of the world. Intervention by others (US) is a mistake.

BTW - why isn't the US experiencing Islamic Terrorist actions? One event almost 14 years ago - but then nothing. Not that I am complaining - but is our security that good? I've been wondering. You describe such unusual actions directed at the Australian government - nothing close seems to be happening here in the US. Why is that?

P.S. Mike, in your post#61 you have double-posted the text making the post twice as long. Did you mean to do that? I've seen you do that in other instances - is it intentional or a mistake? Just wondering.

 

[mike]

“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant” and the Quran “should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”

Read more at ‘We are above the law of the land’


Muslims living in America should not be bound by U.S. law, according to a leader of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, who delivered the controversial message to a crowd at a Muslim rally in Austin, Texas.
“If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land,” said Mustafa Carroll, executive director of the Dallas-Fort Worth CAIR branch.

In a book promoted by the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), Islamic scholar Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi writes that "Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation that rules it. Islam requires the earth – not just a portion – but the whole planet.”

One of the most influential Islamic scholars of the modern age, Egyptian Sayyid Qutb, says that Muslims have a duty to overthrow any non-Islamic governments by violent means. He explains:
"Islam is not merely a belief, so that it is enough merely to preach it. Islam, which is a way of life, takes practical steps to organize a movement for freeing man. Other societies do not give it [Islam] any opportunity to organize its followers according to its own method, and hence it is the duty of Islam to annihilate all such systems, as they are obstacles in the way of universal freedom. Only in this manner can the way of life be wholly dedicated to Allah, so that neither any human authority nor the question of servitude remains, as is the case in all other systems which are based on man's servitude to man." [Quoted from Andrew Bostom's The Legacy of Jihad]
Elsewhere, Qutb puts it even more bluntly:
The foremost duty of Islam in this world is to depose Jahiliyyah (unbelievers) from the leadership of man, and to take the leadership into its own hands and enforce the particular way of life which is its permanent feature."

 

[mike]

Did you mean to do that

No the system hung and then it was posted twice, i deleted one of them as soon as i saw it

 

[mike]

One event almost 14 years ago

Actually there have been others like the boston bombing, but it gets downplayed

 

[Tyger]

Actually there have been others like the boston bombing, but it gets downplayed

There was the Boston Marathon bombing. That's right. It's a big country - lots of stuff happens - not sure it's 'downplayed'. Can you mention any others? I'm serious. I'm drawing a blank.

As for what you're mentioning regarding what clerics are saying, it doesn't concern me. Lots of hate groups in the US. Lots of stuff going down in lots of ways, but law prevails with occasional blips on the screen. It's a pretty quiet country, actually. I don't have an answer to my question - it's why I floated it. I don't have a sense of stress or urgency about fringe groups spouting violence, about to take over the country. Highly unlikely Sharia Law would ever come to roost here. What we have problems with is conservative Christian beliefs, but it's really not Christian, it's really political conservatism with a religious flavoring.

This is what Muslims are fighting against -

Egyptian TV Host Riham Said Removes Veil during Interview, Clashes with Guest Cleric Yousuf Badri

TEXT: "Published on May 2, 2013: Egyptian TV Host Riham Said Removes Veil during Interview, Clashes with Guest Cleric Sheik Yousuf Badri. Al-Nahar TV (Egypt) - April 17, 2013"

Lebanese TV Host Rima Karaki Cuts Short London-Based Islamist's Interview following Insolent Remarks

TEXT: "Published on Mar 4, 2015: An Al-Jadeed TV interview rapidly deteriorated when London-based Islamist Hani Al-Seba'i, who went off on a historical tangent, refused to heed TV host Rima Karaki's request to stick to the topic of discussion. When Al-Siba'i told Karaki to "shut up," she told him that the interview was over."

 

[mike]

The Army psychiatrist charged in the 2009 Fort Hood mass shooting said in a statement to Fox News that the U.S. government is at war with Islam.

There are websites that document more of these, but im not going to post links at this time, becuase it plays into the whole bigot/islamaphobe counter argument i often get.

I think ive made my case islamic ideology itself is at war with the west, that its in islams DNA to establish a caliphate and overthrow western democracy.

As far as daesh is concerned we have two choices

Let it stand unopposed, which will give it legitamacy , if it doesnt fall the ummah will see it as a sign allah is indeed keeping his promise to them.
They will continue to grow in terms of territory, finances and popularity. Its momentum will snowball

200 million shia's will be killed just for starters and we are seeing this right now in iraq

Being a Shiite, as most Iraqi Arabs are, meets the standard as well, because the Islamic State regards Shiism as innovation, and to innovate on the Koran is to deny its initial perfection. (The Islamic State claims that common Shiite practices, such as worship at the graves of imams and public self-flagellation, have no basis in the Koran or in the example of the Prophet.) That means roughly 200 million Shia are marked for death. So too are the heads of state of every Muslim country, who have elevated man-made law above Sharia by running for office or enforcing laws not made by God.
In Sydney we had a driveby shooting of a shia place of worship with the occupants shouting "isis is coming" this problem isnt confined to the ME.

Or we can knock it on the head, stop it and the associated murder and destruction of historical sites.

Its going to be far easier to do this sooner rather than later.

200 million shia, marked for death.


For Islamic terrorists it’s all about priorities. Do you shoot the Christians first or the Jews? Do you kill the woman with a 9th grade education or the 12th grade education? Do you burn a library or a museum?

The Islamic State’s Caliph has rendered his verdict of priorities. First kill the Shiites. Then any of the Gulfies who don’t give him money.
And then kill the Jews.


First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Learn from history or repeat it............................

 

[stonehart]

There is a storm coming.

Open your eyes people and take a good long look.

I may get band or told off for this post but Islam is not your friend, there is no real moderate Islam underneath it all and there is only one way to solve the issue.. eradicate it with extreme prejudice.
There I said it and political correctness be damned because being politically correct is going to get the west into a much worse state than it is now. IS or what ever name they are going by this week see our understanding, political correctness etc as a weakness to exploit.
Basically pick a side before one is chosen for you.

Blunt?

Yep and I make no apologies.

 

[mike]

EACH day, the news is more and more sickening. We wake up and hear that the Islamic State has committed yet another atrocity. We come to work shaking our heads, nauseated to the core, carrying on with our normal lives as though all is normal in the world. Which it most certainly is not.
We ask: How can they do those things? How? How could anyone with a human soul even contemplate such acts?

9/11 and the Bali bombings and subsequent acts of terrorism were deeply shocking, and hard enough to understand. After those events we asked: why do they want to kill us?
But the insidious, strike-when-you-least-expect-it violence of Al-Qaeda has been replaced by the daily show-and-tell sadism of the Islamic State. And we’re now asking something much darker: why have they resorted to such brutality?
The age of terrorism has become the age of horrorism. But why? What possible ends could IS aim to achieve?
Turns out there’s a method behind the madness. Dr Clarke Jones is a terrorism and radicalisation expert at the Australian National University (ANU) and a former national security operative. He’s seen first hand the aftermath of terrorist acts on occasions too numerous to count.
His view? It’s all part of a larger strategy to force foreign governments to intervene.

“When we think of the Egyptian Coptic Christians killed in Libya or the Jordanian pilot, the immediate reaction from those governments, apart from distaste, was the deployment of bombers. IS was trying to draw a military response,” Dr Jones explains.
It sounds callous to say it, but a suicide bombing no longer had this kind of effect on people’s hearts and minds. But according to Dr Jones, the general populace will support — or even demand — military involvement when they are sickened to the core.
“You can imagine what would happen in Australia if one of our soldiers was captured,” he says.
Why exactly does IS want to draw in foreign military intervention? This question was well-addressed in a comprehensive, if controversial, piece in The Atlantic recently, which explained that the long-term goal of the radicals running IS is nothing less than bringing about the apocalypse.
That’s right. The Islamic State seeks the war to end all wars. Literally. Its stated aim is to draw the infidel army to the plains near the Syrian town of Dabiq and enact the final showdown foretold in an ancient scripture. Meanwhile, the more foreign governments respond to its calculated campaign of horrorism, the more recruits are drawn in, the more the whole situation escalates and the closer IS comes to achieving its ends.
In broad strokes, al-Qaeda acts like an underground political movement, with worldly goals in sight at all times — the expulsion of non-Muslims from the Arabian peninsula, the abolishment of the state of Israel, the end of support for dictatorships in Muslim lands. The Islamic State has its share of worldly concerns (including, in the places it controls, collecting garbage and keeping the water running), but the End of Days is a leitmotiv [running theme] of its propaganda.”
But maybe you’re wondering: who on earth would sign up for the apocalypse? We can all understand people signing up to fight for a cause they believe in, even if we personally believe that cause to be evil. But who signs up for a movement whose stated aim is to destroy the world?
“For certain true believers — the kind who long for epic good-versus-evil battles — visions of apocalyptic bloodbaths fulfil a deep psychological need,” Graeme Wood wrote.

Islamic state: terrorism has become horrorism

They dont need another 911, they can get to us just as easily via the 5 oclock news.

 

[mike]

There is a storm coming.

Open your eyes people and take a good long look.

I may get band or told off for this post but Islam is not your friend, there is no real moderate Islam underneath it all and there is only one way to solve the issue.. eradicate it with extreme prejudice.
There I said it and political correctness be damned because being politically correct is going to get the west into a much worse state than it is now. IS or what ever name they are going by this week see our understanding, political correctness etc as a weakness to exploit.
Basically pick a side before one is chosen for you.

Blunt?

Yep and I make no apologies.

That you make the case in just a few short words illustrates your smarts

I can post TL/DR after TL/DR piling datum after datum on the table, but you sum it up so succinctly.

There were Nazi apoligists prior to ww2, and we have them again today.

If you do the research you will find islamic ideology has the very same mindset, a master race with global domination as the goal.
And if you want to know what the world will look like if they get what they want....... well youve seen it in the news.

I can post link after link, but you are all internet savy, youve seen it beheadings, burning alive, mass executions, destruction of statues. the denegration and enslavement of women, of anyone not pure islam

All Muslims acknowledge that Muhammad's earliest conquests were not tidy affairs, and that the laws of war passed down in the Koran and in the narrations of the Prophet's rule were calibrated to fit a turbulent and violent time. In Haykel's estimation, the fighters of the Islamic State are authentic throwbacks to early Islam and are faithfully reproducing its norms of war. This behavior includes a number of practices that modern Muslims tend to prefer not to acknowledge as integral to their sacred texts. "Slavery, crucifixion, and beheadings are not something that freakish [jihadists] are cherry-picking from the medieval tradition," Haykel said. Islamic State fighters "are smack in the middle of the medieval tradition and are bringing it wholesale into the present day."

Leaders of the Islamic State have taken emulation of Muhammad as strict duty, and have revived traditions that have been dormant for hundreds of years. "What's striking about them is not just the literalism, but also the seriousness with which they read these texts


Some will try and kid themselves we are in control of this, that they are our puppets, that without our funding they will dry up and blow away........ but thats just wishful thinking. its just not true

 

[stonehart]

That you make the case in just a few short words illustrates your smarts

I can post TL/DR after TL/DR piling datum after datum on the table, but you sum it up so succinctly.

There were Nazi apoligists prior to ww2, and we have them again today.

If you do the research you will find islamic ideology has the very same mindset, a master race with global domination as the goal.
And if you want to know what the world will look like if they get what they want....... well youve seen it in the news.

I can post link after link, but you are all internet savy, youve seen it beheadings, burning alive, mass executions, destruction of statues. the denegration and enslavement of women, of anyone not pure islam

All Muslims acknowledge that Muhammad's earliest conquests were not tidy affairs, and that the laws of war passed down in the Koran and in the narrations of the Prophet's rule were calibrated to fit a turbulent and violent time. In Haykel's estimation, the fighters of the Islamic State are authentic throwbacks to early Islam and are faithfully reproducing its norms of war. This behavior includes a number of practices that modern Muslims tend to prefer not to acknowledge as integral to their sacred texts. "Slavery, crucifixion, and beheadings are not something that freakish [jihadists] are cherry-picking from the medieval tradition," Haykel said. Islamic State fighters "are smack in the middle of the medieval tradition and are bringing it wholesale into the present day."

Leaders of the Islamic State have taken emulation of Muhammad as strict duty, and have revived traditions that have been dormant for hundreds of years. "What's striking about them is not just the literalism, but also the seriousness with which they read these texts


Some will try and kid themselves we are in control of this, that they are our puppets, that without our funding they will dry up and blow away........ but thats just wishful thinking. its just not true

Thanks Mike I have had many long hours thinking and reading about this and yes the conclusion I came to was simple.. Us or them.. what is it going to be?

 

[Tyger]

Why exactly does IS want to draw in foreign military intervention? This question was well-addressed in a comprehensive, if controversial, piece in The Atlantic recently, which explained that the long-term goal of the radicals running IS is nothing less than bringing about the apocalypse. That’s right. The Islamic State seeks the war to end all wars. Literally. Its stated aim is to draw the infidel army to the plains near the Syrian town of Dabiq and enact the final showdown foretold in an ancient scripture.

Very much what fundamentalist Christians (in the US) of a certain cast are also stating and aiming for. It definitely has all the markings of a 'perfect storm'. Where are those aliens?

But maybe you’re wondering: who on earth would sign up for the apocalypse? We can all understand people signing up to fight for a cause they believe in, even if we personally believe that cause to be evil. But who signs up for a movement whose stated aim is to destroy the world? “For certain true believers — the kind who long for epic good-versus-evil battles — visions of apocalyptic bloodbaths fulfill a deep psychological need,” Graeme Wood wrote.

The same is taking place in the US with certain survivalist mentalities - the belief is strong that there is coming a time of civil strife and such folk are stocking up and hunkering down. We have private arsenals in the US. Deep psychological need or sniffing the wind? I don't know.

An Occult teacher at the turn of the last century (1900) had dire things to say about Mohammad and Islam. In the 'enlightened' 20th century such comments were an embarrassment for the esotericists studying the teacher's work. Interesting how things come back around.

The Occult teacher also said: "Read the signs of your time."

 

[mike]

Its worth noting also the difference between Al qaeda and Daesh.

Both have as a core value the establishment of the global caliphate, but the MO is different.

Al Qaeda kept to the shadows and brought the fight directly to us as we saw in 911, but in doing so became victims of their own sucess.
They ended up getting smashed for it

Daesh has a different plan, they have learned from what happened to Al qaeda, first they need to establish a safe haven a country of their own, their plan is to bring us to the fight on ground of their choosing.

And while its true fundy christians can be just as fervent, im not seeing it expressed with the same violence as fundy islam is.

Stoneheart is right there is a storm coming, Fundy islam has a plan for world domination and they are working very very hard to make it happen. But like frogs in a saucepan most westerns cant see it happening.

Africa has been lost

Africa: The Rise of Islam | Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs

Europe is in trouble with some countrys lost already

Inside France’s Sharia No-Go Zones - Breitbart

Jihadists in Libya 'direct threat' to Europe: French PM - Yahoo News

Australia is having problems too

20% of Australian Muslims say Islamic State has legitimate grievances -

People are surprised, are they? Why? These numbers reflect polls in many Western countries. The enemedia is blaming the Aussie government — as if defense against savagery, beheading, genocide, gender and creed apartheid is the fault of a government that would oppose it. Notice that nothing in this article faults Muslims or their outrageous sanction of bloody jihad. Moderates unmasked.“Survey reveals Aussie Muslims who think ISIS has legitimate grievances,” By Neil Doorley,The Sunday Mail, March 08, 2015 - See more at: 20% of Australian Muslims say Islamic State has legitimate grievances | Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs


By those that practice it, it is called a "religion of peace". There are those, however, who
would disagree with that statement. Some people see the Muslims as an angry, violent people who use the two-fold method of Jihad and Fatah to further their geo-politcals plans, and sadly, the vast majority of people both here in America and abroad, remain blissfully ignorant of the ever-swelling
tide of Muslim cultural expansion. In this lesson we will show you, mostly in their own words and pictures, just exactly what the goal of Islam really is. We will not defame, demean or otherwise say anything that is not true about the position they hold. We will show you their words, photos of
them in "action", and let you make up your mind about what Islam is really all about.
A picture is worth a 1,000 wordsA quick Google images search of the words Islam will dominate gives you quite the eyeful. It
shows very quickly photos from around the world of Muslims carrying signs and banners that proclaim things like "freedom can go to hell", "Islam will dominate the world", and "Shariah law - the true solution", as well as many other cute little tag lines. My first take on that is that it doesn't seem
overly friendly.

Is this the work of scattered "radical fringe groups", or is it the views of the majority of Muslims
around the world? Well, look at it like this: someone has said that only 1% of Muslims worldwide
are Jihadists. Ok, thats fine, 1% is a small number...until...you realize that at last count there was
1,300,000,000 Muslims worldwide. For those of you who are math challenged that's about 1.3
billion Muslims. What is 1% of 1.3 billion? It is 10.3 million Muslims that engage in passive or active Jihad. Since 9/11 there have been an estimated 14,586 deadly terror attacks carried out worldwide, and all by Muslim terrorists. In the week of December 12 - 18th of this year, there were 42 attacks that resulted in 182 dead and 362 wounded. In one week.

NTEB: The Plan For Muslim World Dominance

Author sees Islam’s 20-year plan for U.S.#!


According to Clifford D. May, president of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a policy institute focusing on terrorism, "The Islamists stress that Islam 'was once a winner's religion.'" It began small and became a world power in less than 400 years. But for the last several hundred years, Muslim nations have been dominated by Western powers.
"What went wrong? To Islamists, it is an article of faith ... that Muslims lost ground because they strayed from the road of righteousness, the path trod by the Prophet Muhammad and his companions," May said. "They allowed themselves to be seduced and corrupted by the West and its vices - materialism, individualism, and lasciviousness among them."
The only way to return Islam to world dominance is, well, for Islam to dominate the world again. According to Samir Khalil Samir, a Jesuit professor of Oriental studies at the University of Saint Joseph in Beirut, Lebanon, the Islamist plan involves three phases, which are all intended to work concurrently.

Radical Islam's plan for world domination :: Understanding Islam :: Hyscience


The first stage is to reform Muslim countries which have compromised with the West, to "turn Muslim countries into Islamic states governed by sharia [Islamic] law."
Next, Samir said, is the intention to "Islamize Christians living in Muslim countries. This is happening wherever there are radical Muslims, in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, Iraq. ... We saw this happen in Iraq in the past year, where some neighborhoods in Baghdad have become micro-caliphates in which Christians are told to convert to Islam or pay the Jizya (protection money), and accept second-class status."
Finally comes "the conversion of Europe. ... This is carried out first and foremost by working with young, European-born Muslims through imams teaching radical ideologies in mosques, prisons, bookstores." Such teachings go hand-in-hand with strident critiques of decadent Western culture.

The Islamist 'strong narrative'
This explanation of Islam's troubles and the plan for its return to past glory is, according to May, the "strong narrative" that attracts new recruits to the cause. It is similar, he believes, to the "narrative" used by Adolph Hitler to gain support from the German people for his own goals. Just as Hitler blamed the Jews and others for the problems of the nation, so Islamists blame Jews and corrupt Western ideals for the problems of the Ummah, the worldwide Muslim community.

Part of the appeal of this movement for Muslims is that Islamofascists declare themselves to be the true heirs of the message of the Prophet Muhammad.
"Today jihadists are making recruits among peaceful Muslims worldwide by appealing to the teachings of the Quran and Muhammad, and on that basis portraying themselves as the exponents of 'pure Islam,'" said Robert Spencer, director of Jihad Watch and author of Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't. "They claim they have rediscovered, as a popular jihadist pamphlet termed it, 'the forgotten obligation' of jihad."

 

[mike]

And to be fair its not the first religion to try this, its an all too common apologists tactic to throw up christianitys history and say see they did it too.

But heres the rub

Sharia is imutable, its law was formulated in the 6th century and CANNOT be changed to reflect societys changes.

Beheadings, stonings, cutting off hands and feet, crucifiction and death for what by our standards are petty crimes.

If Islam establishes a global caliphate the laws you currently live by, both the penaltys and the protections will be gone. Replaced with sharia and all that it entails.


So, either we open our eyes and see Islam for what it really is - a rabid enemy to our Western Culture values and way of life sworn to conquer and destroy us; and Muslims as the threat they are by the very nature of their hateful ideology and what they practice - inhuman Sharia-based brutality and oppression, needless barbarity and bloodshed, suicide bombings and beheadings of innocents; or they will wind up subverting us like a cancer, and we will eventually succumb and submit to the Islamic yoke....even as is the very translation and meaning of the word Islam: "Submission"!


As the Hamas leader said

We have succeeded, with Allah's grace, to raise an ideological generation that loves death like our enemies love life," he said.

They think we are cowards for loving life more than death

Hamas leader Muhammad Deif: "Today you are fighting divine soldiers, who love death for Allah like you love life, and who compete among themselves for Martyrdom like you flee from death."
Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh: "We love death like our enemies love life! We love Martyrdom

Can you imagine what such a mindset would do with nukes ?

They would not care if they kicked off global thermonuclear war and killed everyone on the planet, because in death they would be the winners.

Killing everyone works for them, they kill all the sinners and unbelievers and they go to paradise as a reward for doing so

 

[mike]

not sure it's 'downplayed'. Can you mention any others? I'm serious. I'm drawing a blank.

Jihad in America: Enemy in our Midst | Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs

 

[mike]

the 200 million shia marked for death aside, heres another reason why we need to destroy Daesh sooner rather than later

ISIS militants destroy ancient remains of 2,000yo city of Hatra – Iraq govt — RT News

Heartbreaking images

 

[stonehart]

the 200 million shia marked for death aside, heres another reason why we need to destroy Daesh sooner rather than later

ISIS militants destroy ancient remains of 2,000yo city of Hatra – Iraq govt — RT News

Heartbreaking images

when I found out about this it had me in tears ..

 

[mike]

Isis: Muslim preacher calls for demolition of pyramids and the Sphinx of Giza

 

[Open-Minded-Earthling]

the 200 million shia marked for death aside, heres another reason why we need to destroy Daesh sooner rather than later.

America should not have destabilized Iraq to invade a 2nd time. Was Saddam Hussein so evil vs what is unleashed within Iraq since we invaded under false pretext? We were proven wrong. We're proven wrong more than a decade later. Why is this a never ending war?

Iraq under Saddam was NOT a radicalized religious nation. It was more modern and secular, though it took a hard core brutal dictator to rule Iraq. Saddam was an excellent counterpoint and counterbalance to Iran's radical religious jihads, so these two nations stalemated each others powers in opposition to each other.

Leave it to our MIC and "special interests" to screw-up what was a good stalemate to maintain the "status quo" in the Middle East. Don't forget that Syria was a secular nation too before all the recent religious radicalization and civil warfare. Should we be involved in that too? Taking sides? Why?

Revolutions in the Middle East are not likely to have outcomes that are secular promoting religious freedom and individual rights. How stupid can we be? We only play into the hands of any and all radicals, especially the religious, when the Americans are getting involved. We have no business having CIA and military advisers on the ground stirring up trouble in Syria. Iraq already proves we totally screw-up "the occupation", because Iraq does not stand on its own protecting the rights of its citizens. We failed. Why?

We could have used drones to take-out the criminals destroying the historical sites. These could have been guarded under international agreements.