Kathleen Marden and Denise Stoner

[Burnt State]

I also find the entire UFO occupant observation things seemingly designed for display. Of course that's strictly a projection and is what happens when we apply human reason to the mystery of UFOs and precisely why "they" never approach humanity in an open and clear manner. It's the pivotal birth of the trickster mentality which I have always had a serious problem with.

When I force myself to the side of my own programming with respect to projected reason and personification, I see UFOs as being singularity based technology used by members of the same environment we share with those that occupy them. There is no seeming natural specific community that humans share with these beings because of some unknown or confirmed natural specific base difference that make open compatibility a non issue. I believe however that these creatures are perhaps singularity technology themselves and more or less serve to forward the volition of beings we might actually consider to be Gods/Creators. The classic watcher school of thought.

It's also interesting to note that Betty Andreasson via Raymond Fowler's documentation described precisely the same thing as the clergyman in New Guinea. This being with respect to the little guys being out on the craft's ledge walking around while hovering over the ocean, collecting water from below, waving, and performing other tasks as well.

Going back to a repeated refrain regarding the source of the UFO enigma, 'there appears to me more than one point of origin.' I think that's really important to remember to help distinguish between cases that are pure image vs. those that involve physical contact, direct interaction, specific and overt trace evidence etc. The cases where figures are witnessed only, especially so ridiculously, does suggest the magician at work, a show being put on for our benefit - perhaps this is the trickster, whatever that means. But the great number of interesting reports that involve not only waving aliens, but scenes of other cities being witnessed in the sky, the geography yielding new or missing elements i.e. the house that suddenly is not where it's supposed to be, or the meeting of the leprechaun - all of which are witnessed by a series of connected and non-connected witnesses. These strike me as being cerebral experiences of minds interacting in places where the veil is thin (take that for whatever you think this could be i.e. magnetic fields, ley lines, continental fault zones, underground water whatever).

But cases like the Andreasson one that you cite, (one i'm entirely unfamiliar with, or at lease have forgotten reading about it when i was much younger) are the ones that allow me to lean towards the idea that the ETH carries some weight. These inexplicable physical events seem to be much more rare and I sever these from solo stories of AP where there is probably a much more human source at play causing delusions and convincing sensations. Those stories seem to have very common, repeated features, whereas the really fascinating stories are just so bizarrely different from each other that there seems to be something real at play.

 

[Jeff Davis]

Fowler has some new books out that I have not read. Maybe I should make a point to pick those up and then refresh myself with the older material as well. The thing with Andreasson is that she never, to the best of my memories recollection anyway, claimed the beings were "aliens from outer space"but rather that they reside, or at least they took her to, a "different world". Whether this world was underground or under sea, across some dimensional chasm (the veil you refer to which I also suspect but am honestly just as clueless about), or whether the entirety of the events took place in her noggin as intentional impressions or outright delusions is unknown to me. I don't think she ever acknowledges the identity of a location, but rather she describes the places she is shown and taken and what the beings have conveyed to her directly. She makes the claim that they are the "Watchers" spoke of in the book of Enoch and various other places in the Christian and Jewish traditions. Are you familiar with what and who the watchers are supposed to be via folklore?

My hypothetical (pet guess) claim or position is that these beings are integrally connected to humanity, and most importantly the Earth itself, not by alien explorations from outer space. I see the waving and interaction via UFO witness reporting as a true sentient exchange, or acknowledgement if you will, between two separate sentient parties sharing the same environment across a yet unknown divide. For whatever natural reason, as of yet we can't "go there" willfully, but they go and come via whatever, if any, volition that guides them. I do honestly believe, or better yet have began to suspect over the last 10 years, that we do indeed have a doppelganger or "astral double" (sounds so corny I know) due to recent developments in quantum mechanical reasoning. Our lack of a willful control of this double may be the evolutionary sentient bridge that our brain's physical evolution is pointing us toward (hypothetically guessing). In this sense the UFOs might demonstrate a natural purpose via the appendage waving, or light in the sky interactions with us as we observe them, as sentient beings within the same environment. Their very appearance before us, our sentient uptake or recognition of them, and then most importantly our species temporal locality (our position on a progressive timeline) may serve to trigger or reinforce the environmental stress model that's needed to forward our specie's sentient specialization and development acting as a decoding catalyst within our DNA's evolutionary pathway.

 

[Burnt State]

ok, Jeff, that easily could have been one of the main plot threads considered by the writers of "The Fringe." like the tv series, you are identifying a unified theory that tries to pull all the paranormal puzzle pieces together. i'm always interested in such grapplings and just as suspicious. the decoding catalyst that will spark our DNA's evolutionary pathway is a really nice touch - the image becomes flesh. that's very appropriate for our increasing obsession with the image over the word. unfortunately the image, like music, is a higher form of communication than the limitations of words. i wonder why more experiencers, abductees and contactees aren't more telepathic or displaying skillsets like those from "The 4400"?

maybe our DNA's going a little more slowly, or we need more of a collective conscious embrace of the phenomenon to be able to change images into the thought patters needed to get those messenger RNA moving along to create those new proteins from their translation of the UFO revelation. you know, a really good biologist obsessed with optics could probably help out with this a lot.

 

[Jeff Davis]

ok, Jeff, that easily could have been one of the main plot threads considered by the writers of "The Fringe." like the tv series, you are identifying a unified theory that tries to pull all the paranormal puzzle pieces together. i'm always interested in such grapplings and just as suspicious. the decoding catalyst that will spark our DNA's evolutionary pathway is a really nice touch - the image becomes flesh. that's very appropriate for our increasing obsession with the image over the word. unfortunately the image, like music, is a higher form of communication than the limitations of words. i wonder why more experiencers, abductees and contactees aren't more telepathic or displaying skillsets like those from "The 4400"?


maybe our DNA's going a little more slowly, or we need more of a collective conscious embrace of the phenomenon to be able to change images into the thought patters needed to get those messenger RNA moving along to create those new proteins from their translation of the UFO revelation. you know, a really good biologist obsessed with optics could probably help out with this a lot.

You gotta LOVE Walter! (Fringe)

I am not certain what"The 4400" is.

Russian scientists have been working with interactions between tortion fields, lasers, and DNA for numerous years now. DNA is assuredly light sensitive and is reponsive via a repeatably testable hard pattern. There is a great deal of supplemental information available at the bottom of this link's page. This article was a real eye opener for me when I first read it a while back.

Check this out: Brendan D. Murphy - 'Junk' DNA: An interdimensional doorway to transformation? - Unexplained Mysteries

 

[bbridges]

I thought I had accidentally skipped back on the show! Glad to hear it wasn't my normal psychosis interfereing with listening.

The show was different, but I learned quite a bit.
The one thing that stood out was people of "Cherokee and Irish" descent being more likely to have some sort of abduction experience, if I understood that correctly. That's kind of spooky. Both of my paternal grandparents were second generation Irish, and my maternal grandmother was full blooded Cherokee from Asheville, North Carolina. (She passed away at 91 years old, and her hair was still black as midnight. It's also where I get my high cheek bones).
So does that mean I have a higher chance of being abducted, at some point? I think, no- I'm pretty sure, I have never been abducted. The only missing time I've ever had involved alcohol. Should I install a camera in my bedroom? ( My wife would object, strenuously).

I have heard of this "Irish/Cherokee" connection to heightened intuitive abilities before. Once was in the case of an abductee in Grass Valley, California. I researched her case back in the early nineties. She was the daughter of a WWII military intel operative, and a German woman whom he brought back to the states after the fall of Berlin. Before she passed on, her daughter and Georgianne Ceferelli (spelling questionable here) recorded about twelve hours of her recounting their lives together moving about the country under different covers working for what was either OSS?CIA and/or ONI. The hunt for uranium mines was part of his first assignment stateside after the war. His pay stubs list him as a member of the Army band. A bit of his story can be found in Len Stringfield's last Status Report-VII. M.Younger also mentioned this "Irish/Cherokee" profiling by spooks back in '93.

 

[Randall]

The one thing that stood out was people of "Cherokee and Irish" descent being more likely to have some sort of abduction experience, if I understood that correctly. That's kind of spooky. Both of my paternal grandparents were second generation Irish, and my maternal grandmother was full blooded Cherokee from Asheville, North Carolina. (She passed away at 91 years old, and her hair was still black as midnight. It's also where I get my high cheek bones) ...

All very interesting. My last name is Murphy. No confusing what heritage that stems from aye? I've had missing time experiences more than once. Have I been abducted? I make to claim to being an abductee. I was just a kid and it seemed like I was playing spaceship. The burn circle in the grass and the 4 foot high talking rabbit were pretty weird though ... but you know how kids have such vivid imaginations.

 

[bbridges]

All very interesting. My last name is Murphy. No confusing what heritage that stems from aye? I've had missing time experiences more than once. Have I been abducted? I make to claim to being an abductee. I was just a kid and it seemed like I was playing spaceship. The burn circle in the grass and the 4 foot high talking rabbit were pretty weird though ... but you know how kids have such vivid imaginations.

Funny you mention 'vivid imagination.' If images are a higher form of communication than words, a vivid imagination may be the medium of communication. Four foot tall rabbits could be a combination of images and feelings lifted from your mind and used to represent a 'safe' presence, or to mask a less 'acceptable' appearance. Creative people are more likely to report in one way or another, 'unique' experiences, and are always using imagery to convey feelings and ideas. Kenneth Ring proposed that experiences such as reported abductions might be taking place in 'the imaginal realm,' a 'virtual' and yet actual state, a kind of meeting place between the person and something...else.

 

[Randall]

Funny you mention 'vivid imagination.' If images are a higher form of communication than words, a vivid imagination may be the medium of communication. Four foot tall rabbits could be a combination of images and feelings lifted from your mind and used to represent a 'safe' presence, or to mask a less 'acceptable' appearance. Creative people are more likely to report in one way or another, 'unique' experiences, and are always using imagery to convey feelings and ideas. Kenneth Ring proposed that experiences such as reported abductions might be taking place in 'the imaginal realm,' a 'virtual' and yet actual state, a kind of meeting place between the person and something...else.

I dunno. Maybe it was all just in my imagination. But it seemed real to me at the time. And the next day when I went back to the spot to play spaceship again, the burn circle was still there. And in another experience there was this one little detail that is a little harder to explain. But maybe that was just coincidence or something. The thing is. Even though a lot of people claim to have weird experiences, and even though I'm used to the idea of alien abductions, and even though I possess a couple of classic traits, I'm still really hesitant to say that it actually happened to me. I've even seen a UFO and I don't hesitate to base my belief in alien visitation partly on that event. But for whatever reason, my mind simply won't permit these other strange experiences register as real in the same way. I just hand wave them off as ... well ... I dunno ... I really don't ... .