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Liars, Frauds and Hoaxers

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Let's put aside what may be real for a second, and take a look at what is definitely not. There is a percentage of UFO and paranormal reports that are fabricated. I want to look at those known fakes for cues in weeding out other suspect cases both old and new.

My premise is that when something genuine happens, a witness rarely has a full understanding of the event. They often have only a puzzling fragment of a story, and are not able to fully explain what they have seen.

A liar will typically tell a complete story with a beginning, middle and end.
Liars may have many motives. Attention seeking or just the thrill of telling a whopper are the most likely in this scenario.

A fraud will often put himself in a key role in the story as participant or witness.
The fraud is definitely seeking attention, and possibly also financial rewards.

A hoaxer often presents phony evidence, minimizing his participation in the story.
The hoaxer is like a kid ringing a doorbell and running away, and the goal is often just to watch the stir they causes. The hoax can most closely resemble a genuine event, in that only a piece of the story is told or shown. The imagination of the audience does the rest and their speculation carries the story.

These simple profiles don't begin to cover the complexity of the types, and we don't have to look far to find some examples that transcend them. "Professor" George Adamski may be the champion faker of all time. He put himself at the center of the events, involved other "supporting witnesses", faked physical evidence and photographs, in telling an elaborate ongoing story of extraterrestrial contact and interstellar travels.

Another complex type is the promoter. He can be a liar, fraud and hoaxer rolled into one, but the story is not his own. Ray Palmer and Gray Barker are key examples of this profile. The promoter needs someone with a story to exploit, and the truthfulness of it is not important. The promoter shares characteristics with the fraud, but in this instance, he is pushing a product, not himself. Like the hoaxer he wants the attention focused on the story, not himself, and like the liar, he probably enjoys putting one over. (Not all promoters are fraudulent-some legitimate promoter types who are duped by frauds. Possibly Frank Scully was one of these.)

I just remembered about crop circle makers practicing "ostension", believers creating something as ritual, sort of like tribal types summoning a god by putting on a mask of the deity. The intent is not deception, but an act that blends belief with experience. It's real because you believe, and you believe because it's real.

There are some other types I'm overlooking, as well as some of the key offenders. Let's name some names! The fakes are as fascinating a topic to me as the genuine mysteries.
 
Didn't Andrew Balasgo go to Mars via a "jumproom" with his Farther and met rock people, who lived in stone huts and was chased by one of them?
 
The fakes are as fascinating a topic to me as the genuine mysteries.
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I think its all part of the territory, ultimately it all adds up to a greater understanding of how we understand things. I think Nick points out in one of the Paracast episodes that some of the crop circle hoaxers genuinely feel that they arent hoaxing stuff to trick people but are part of a reciprocal relationship with the phenomena. There is also the postulation that alot of contactees did have initial real contacts and everything else seems to be trying to get back to the first kiss. Also there seems to be a need to validate their own message with a "road to Damacus moment."
 
The contactees are a very interesting element in the development of UFO history. While their contributions are often overlooked, they actually did a lot to develop the UFO story, and were very successful in getting their message to the public.

I talked to Jim Moseley about all the various folks he encountered. He stressed how the experiences usually seemed to be a life-changing event for them. A notable exception he mentioned was Ed Walters of Gulf Breeze fame. Once the fame and dollars faded, Walters was through with it all. To me that's a good clue as to the sincerity of the individual- just how was their life changed by the experience? If you can walk away like nothing happened, then it's easy to believe that nothing happened.
 
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I talked to Jim Moseley about all the various folks he encountered. He stressed how the experiences usually seemed to be a life-changing event for them. A notable exception he mentioned was Ed Walters of Gulf Breeze fame. Once the fame and dollars faded, Walters was through with it all. To me that's a good clue as to the sincerity of the individual- just how was their life changed by the experience? If you can walk away like nothing happened, then it's easy to believe that nothing happened.

How much is really known of Walters post Gulf Breeze activities? Have you read his two books? Regardless of what you believe about the case, I think both should be considered must-read UFO classics. It is just really hard for me to dismiss the Gulf Breeze sightings given the number of witnesses, photographs, and strange goings on.
 
It is just really hard for me to dismiss the Gulf Breeze sightings given the number of witnesses, photographs, and strange goings on.

OK, I have been called antagonistic so I will try to tone it down. but, just what is hard to dismiss for you? When does number of witness and discredited photos become hard evidence? What strange goings on are you talking about? Honestly, you seem to want to go both ways. You are tolerant of some really strange stuff and yet you proclaim no belief at all other than a body and a brain. You can't have it both ways. Any connection that is outside the brain generated person to person has to be wrong. Don't you see that? Once you open up any other possibilty then you are letting all manner of phenomena in. My problem with you isn't that you are a bad guy or a woo pitcher. But, you seem to have some favorites here that you will not confront and others that you will call out. Which is it? Or am I a troll for wondering? What mechanism is causing Mr. Walters to converse in his own head with the space craft? Do you remember the book and the bizarre pictures in it? The beams going into objects? It's crap sir. Pure crap.
 
You know Danny or whoever you are, I do not feel compelled to live up to your or anyone else's expectations or to conform to whatever standards you or anyone else imagines should be upheld in my conversations here. I also do not feel it necessary to publish a policy statement or explain my point of view to the Nth degree on paranormal and UFOs every time I comment on something. I don't think that could be made any clearer can it?

Do you really want to discuss the Walter's case?
Were there witnesses other than Ed Walters? Yes there were.
Does Bruce Maccabee still maintain that he believes that Ed did not fake the photographs? The last I heard he still does.
Are the Gulf Breeze sightings an important event in UFO lore and history? Yes.
Does this mean I believe that Ed Walters was in telepathic communication with non-human entities that were using him to somehow train their young on board a pissy smelling spacecraft? No.
 
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