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Whoever you are? Paranoid bunch round here. Anyway, no you don't have to explain yourself anymore or any less than the believers do. But, you did put it out there on a public forum so I asked. You don't seem to really know what it is you beleive. You seem to be a relutant skeptic that would love to put in with the woo crowd but you are afraid to relent and be deemed unintelligent. It's OK dude. You don't seem to know anymore or any less than anybody else around here. Neither do I although I do come off a little strong sometime.
 
dannytorrance said:
Whoever you are? Paranoid bunch round here. Anyway, no you don't have to explain yourself anymore or any less than the believers do. But, you did put it out there on a public forum so I asked. You don't seem to really know what it is you beleive. You seem to be a relutant skeptic that would love to put in with the woo crowd but you are afraid to relent and be deemed unintelligent. It's OK dude. You don't seem to know anymore or any less than anybody else around here. Neither do I although I do come off a little strong sometime.
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Well "Danny" I am not looking for your approval or understanding nor do I feel compelled to repeat or explain myself ad nauseam to everyone who wanders through and wants to throw some crap my way. It is obvious this isn't about the significance of the Gulf Breeze sightings. I think I have your range.
 
I may be out of date but I thought Bruce Maccabee still thought there was no trickery with the Gulf Breeze photos. Perhaps new info has come to light which shows it's a hoax - even though I'd heard about some model ship that still does not explain other phots of things over the water and things many people saw.

One of those cases I think that actually has a core truth but has been exploited by adding trickery to increase the life of the local flap?

I may think about getting one of Ed's books then.
 
goggsmackay said:
I may be out of date but I thought Bruce Maccabee still thought there was no trickery with the Gulf Breeze photos. Perhaps new info has come to light which shows it's a hoax - even though I'd heard about some model ship that still does not explain other phots of things over the water and things many people saw.

One of those cases I think that actually has a core truth but has been exploited by adding trickery to increase the life of the local flap?

I may think about getting one of Ed's books then.
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The model in the attic doesn't explain much of anything in that case other than a model constructed of material dated after the release of the original photos was found in the attic of Ed's house years after he had moved out.

There is a lot more to the Gulf Breeze case than the photos that Ed took and that is why I think the case can't be just dismissed as a hoax perpetrated by Ed Walters. I wasn't even aware of the abduction claims until I looked into the case again in more depth a couple of years ago in the process of which I read two of Ed's books. I think there may be a third one that I haven't read. I still find this case interesting where Roswell, Aztec and some of the others suffer from over saturation and just aren't that interesting to me personally anymore.
 
I find it hard to believe that anyone who would hoax something like this would also be dumb enough to save, let alone lose track of and leave in a house he had moved out of, the specific model UFO that he used to hoax pictures. Even Billy Meier isn't that fucking stupid.
 
Muadib said:
I find it hard to believe that anyone who would hoax something like this would also be dumb enough to save, let alone lose track of and leave in a house he had moved out of, the specific model UFO that he used to hoax pictures. Even Billy Meier isn't that fucking stupid.
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but a model of billys ships was found to
 
vesvehighfolk said:
but a model of billys ships was found to
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I know people have reproduced his bullshit beamships, I meant that he wouldn't be stupid enough to leave one lying around his house after he moved out of it. Or did someone actually find a model of one of his ships lying around his house or something?
 
Reminds me of when that douche Michael Horn was on the Paracast and he kept spouting off about how "nobody can reproduce Billy's photos!!!!1!eleventyone" someone should have shown his dumbass this video
 
I think the model is a red herring. What makes it interesting to me is Bruce M. extensive involvement and his analysis of the photographs and video. Also, you have the parents of the paper's editor (or owner, I would have to check) who saw the photographs before they were published and said that they too had seen the same object. There were other witnesses as well. Macabee even filmed something he couldn't identify while he was there.

The notion that Walters was unchanged by the experience seems to automatically discount everything he relates in UFO Abductions in Gulf Breeze. Walters was divorced after the whole business and his ex-wife has never called bullshit on him like Meier's did for example, for whatever that is worth.
 
trainedobserver said:
Well "Danny" I am not looking for your approval or understanding nor do I feel compelled to repeat or explain myself ad nauseam to everyone who wanders through and wants to throw some crap my way. It is obvious this isn't about the significance of the Gulf Breeze sightings. I think I have your range.
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Riiggght. It's all about you dude. That's why we are all here. You are rather dramatic aren't you? But, on the other hand I did kind of bait you somewhat. I just don't see how a person who calls themselves a skeptic can be so open to some woo and dismissive of other woo. Transhumanism is woo. But, I let my hate of a cult cause me to get personal.

This is a good place to start if you or anybody else decides to get seriously skeptical of this subject.

The transhumanist fallacy - JREF Forum
 
dannytorrance said:
Riiggght. It's all about you dude. That's why we are all here. You are rather dramatic aren't you? But, on the other hand I did kind of bait you somewhat. I just don't see how a person who calls themselves a skeptic can be so open to some woo and dismissive of other woo. Transhumanism is woo. But, I let my hate of a cult cause me to get personal.

This is a good place to start if you or anybody else decides to get seriously skeptical of this subject.

The transhumanist fallacy - JREF Forum
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Danny,

Please stop bringing up the same topic in different threads. You say you're not a troll. Stop acting like one.

Thanks
 
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