Man Made Clouds

[flipper]

Geoengineering: The real climate threat

 

[flipper]

WEATHER MODIFICATION CAUSES CLIMATE MODIFICATION.
Climatologists vastly underestimate the amount of deliberate weather modification programs, erroneously believing them to be occasional "experiments," and unaware that THOUSANDS of planned weather modification events occur every year in the U.S. and worldwide.

 

[pixelsmith]

WEATHER MODIFICATION CAUSES CLIMATE MODIFICATION.
Climatologists vastly underestimate the amount of deliberate weather modification programs, erroneously believing them to be occasional "experiments," and unaware that THOUSANDS of planned weather modification events occur every year in the U.S. and worldwide.

excellent video flipper! thanks for posting this!

 

[flipper]

CHEMTRAILS - USAF Whistleblower talks about CHEMTRAILS:

 

[pixelsmith]

CHEMTRAILS - USAF Whistleblower talks about CHEMTRAILS:

Thanks again flipper! I am starting to feel a little bit vindicated for all my chemtrail comments over the years I have been on this forum.
I see the so called "skeptics" on this forum are starting to back down. It makes sense because how do you argue against chemtrail activity when it is admitted by the people involved in it?

 

[flipper]

Thanks again flipper! I am starting to feel a little bit vindicated for all my chemtrail comments over the years I have been on this forum.
I see the so called "skeptics" on this forum are starting to back down. It makes sense because how do you argue against chemtrail activity when it is admitted by the people involved in it?

Your welcome. I am glad that I was able to support you in having people look at the evidence of what is plainly (planely) above their heads. It makes my day too!!

 

[pixelsmith]

Angelo and Muadib have their hands over their ears going "lalalalalalalalala".

 

[Han]

I still have a huge problem with the idea of "chemtrails" as I understand them.
I still have no idea as to what type of plane or mechanism is used in "chemtrailing".
the way I feel about "chemtrails" is exactly the same as when I first heard about them = malicious dis-information.

Contrails on the other hand (because of this thread) I have learned, are a "real" issue.

Although it relates to "shipping" rather than "aircraft" I wish I had been directed* to the following evidence sooner, because to me it explained how an engines exhaust, can and does affect the weather. the following quote is from the NASA website:

"Amidst the natural marine clouds southwest of Vancouver Island were long, thin, manmade clouds, many of them arising from small source points. The thin clouds were ship tracks—clouds seeded by particles in ship exhaust. Tiny airborne particles (aerosols) act as nuclei or seeds for cloud formation, as water vapor condenses onto them.


The aerosol particles may be natural—such as desert dust or sea salt—or artificial, including the particles emitted by ships. The particles in ship exhaust are more abundant than natural airborne particles such as sea salt, so they generate more and smaller cloud droplets. Because of this, ship tracks tend to be brighter than other clouds. Water droplets are essentially tiny spheres, and a smaller sphere has a greater surface-to-volume ratio than a bigger sphere. In other words, a littler droplet has a greater surface area, relative to its volume, than a bigger droplet. The greater surface area means more sunlight reflected back into space.

So ships can have opposing effects. While the carbon dioxide from the combustion of fossil fuel that powers many ships warms Earth’s climate, the enhanced reflection of sunlight in ship tracks helps cool Earth’s climate"
If a ships engine has this effect, then why not an Aeroplanes?!

I suspect that certain parties do not "trust" NASA but I do.
links to the articles I quoted from are below. I would recommend reading them, looking at the photos and the animation.


Ship Tracks South of Alaska : Image of the Day
NASA Visible Earth: Ship Tracks off North America
*I actually came across this when looking for a bigfoot map, so I might not be in the sceptic category!

 

[pixelsmith]

Han watch the videos above. they explain the planes and mechanisms for the delivery of chemicals.

 

[Han]

I am going to call a time out, because I feel there is a danger that I will jump to conclusions, if I watch the videos now: because I was disappointed that I had allowed myself to dismiss legitimate "evidence" because of who and how it was being "sold". What I am trying to say is that I am angry because I like to think that I am clever , and this can result in me being reactionary and blaming other people: my current feeling is that "chemtrailists*" have done a lot of damage and have muddied the waters to such an extent that I don't really feel like drinking. In short it really pisses me off when a "valid" issue or concern is buried under a pile of BS and that to me is clearly what is going on with contrails/chemtrails.


I will watch the videos in the near future when I will be a bit fairer and less dismissive, and let you know what I think.


*the "chemtrail conspiracy peddlers (no one on this site).

 

[pixelsmith]

I am going to call a time out, because I feel there is a danger that I will jump to conclusions, if I watch the videos now: because I was disappointed that I had allowed myself to dismiss legitimate "evidence" because of who and how it was being "sold". What I am trying to say is that I am angry because I like to think that I am clever , and this can result in me being reactionary and blaming other people: my current feeling is that "chemtrailists*" have done a lot of damage and have muddied the waters to such an extent that I don't really feel like drinking. In short it really pisses me off when a "valid" issue or concern is buried under a pile of BS and that to me is clearly what is going on with contrails/chemtrails.


I will watch the videos in the near future when I will be a bit fairer and less dismissive, and let you know what I think.


*the "chemtrail conspiracy peddlers (no one on this site).

that doesn't sound like the Han I thought I knew. I have started to back off on calling them chemtrails, they are indeed chemical infused man made clouds but them term has a tendency to make people react just like you are. it is NO secret anymore they are doing this. It is NOT a pile of BS.

 

[Han]

I have slept on it, this is what I think today:
"contrails" are a problem. A much larger problem than I had previously thought.
seeing the "shiptracks" on the NASA website really suprised me, especially when I read the explanation as to why they were collecting data on them.
I would like to blame this on throwing the baby out with the bath water, but I still pulled the plug. I guess what I am trying to say is that because the chemtrail/contrail problem has been polarised I erred on the side caution, as a result I did not consider that contrails/chemstrails had "side effects" like precipitation or reflection of sunlight.
I would have argued that the blame lay with those who try to tie in, all of the malicious and ill thought out "agenda" conspiracies, for intentionally over complicating and distorting the issue, to such a degree, that I dismissed it as nonsense.
But ultimately I should have done my "homework" properly before casting judgement.

I find it easier to accept that chemtrails and contrails are one and the same, and that they have unintended negative ramifications, rather than: a global malicious "spraying" agenda.
However that said, I have to admit that this discovery has added to my revulsion at how we treat the planet.

Whilst I try and hide it as best I can, I am much more fluent when I speak, as opposed to when I write, so I am sure that a lot of the time, I do not convey my true sentiments.
What I want to say is sorry and thank you at the same time, even though I do not feel encouraged by what I have learned, the "truth" is always paramount.

 

[Randall]

I guess what I am trying to say is that because the chemtrail/contrail problem has been polarised I erred on the side caution, as a result I did not consider that contrails/chemstrails had "side effects" like precipitation or reflection of sunlight ... What I want to say is sorry and thank you at the same time, even though I do not feel encouraged by what I have learned, the "truth" is always paramount.

I don't see any reason for you to apologize. You've expressed your opinions, considered the counterpoint with an open mind, and adjusted your views accordingly because you value the truth. That's how it's supposed to work. You're also wise to remain reserved. The polarizing effect you mention is definitely out there. The most balanced view is that we have sufficient evidence to draw some accurate conclusions, and I've mentioned them already, but the rest is speculation. Even Kristen Meghan's ( Kristen Edwards ) video ( above ), although interesting and provocative, doesn't reveal enough information. She has seen and done tests that reveal hazardous compounds on the ground. She has seen Air Force requisition orders for similar compounds. However she doesn't say she has actually seen the physical materials and what happens with them. Those compounds might have been for something else altogether.

Kristen doesn't say she followed those chemicals to some facility where she saw them being loaded into tanks on aircraft and that she went up in and watched as those chemicals were being sprayed into the air, and even if she had, we still wouldn't don't know exactly why or how often it's happening. And lastly, although Kristen seems entirely sincere, and the facts as she's relayed them to us seem believable, it's still only talk containing bits and pieces that we're being led to believe form a certain picture. It's not enough to form a grand conspiracy theory. It is however enough to take seriously and start demanding answers from the government and military. Is there no civilian oversight committee that can investigate this? If not then there should be, and that is what concerned citizens should be pushing for, not getting on the Alex Jones bandwagon.

 

[flipper]

I am going to call a time out, because I feel there is a danger that I will jump to conclusions, if I watch the videos now: because I was disappointed that I had allowed myself to dismiss legitimate "evidence" because of who and how it was being "sold". What I am trying to say is that I am angry because I like to think that I am clever , and this can result in me being reactionary and blaming other people: my current feeling is that "chemtrailists*" have done a lot of damage and have muddied the waters to such an extent that I don't really feel like drinking. In short it really pisses me off when a "valid" issue or concern is buried under a pile of BS and that to me is clearly what is going on with contrails/chemtrails.


I will watch the videos in the near future when I will be a bit fairer and less dismissive, and let you know what I think.


*the "chemtrail conspiracy peddlers (no one on this site).

I am going to risk aggravating you further since you have been sincere in trying to find the truth in the matter then I hope to leave it alone. However I may not since it is something that is of great interest to me. What to you is distraction from real issues for me is a almost daily sadness. I do not live near an airport. What pixelsmith took pictures of, I almost see on a daily basis. At the most I would see a clear blue sky 6 days of the month. The planes, somewhere from 3 to 6 of them work some section of the sky This includes the north, south, east, west, overhead, and all of it, on different days. Because they come at different times, I have noticed that when they are not there, there are few aircraft. The loss or the dimming of the sun is a great sadness.

 

[Han]

Dear UFOLOGY thank you for your kind words, I do feel that I should apologise because I started a thread back in 2010 in which I ridiculed "chemtrails", if I had realised then I would have taken a very different approach. In short I took an active role in damning people with legitimate concerns, which is something I do not respect: I often post on this forum talking about the harm that can be caused by misguided "belief" e.g. morgellons disease. And whether
my intentions were good or not, I was guilty of speaking when I did not understand the "basics".

I now understand the situation very differently, especially regarding the possibility of "geoengineering" chemicals being mixed with the actual fuel burnt in the engines of airlners.

I think this series of images speaks volumes:
BBC News - How aircraft contrails form cloud

 

[flipper]

Two offerings:
The transition to more efficient jet fuel and cold-flow additives supports this explanation, but none of that can explain the following image, taken earlier this year in Raglan, New Zealand:
Planetary Weapons and Military Weather Modification: Chemtrails, Atmospheric Geoengineering and Environmental Warfare | Global Research
“Block the sun but continue to spew billions of tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere,” is how Eli Kintisch characterizes SRM in his 2010 book, Hack the Planet. [3] In a world run by sanity, we would forego fossil fuels for free and abundant solar energy, coupled with Tesla’s development of free electricity, to meet the world’s energy needs, without destroying our nest by extracting and burning fossil fuels.

Solar Radiation Management, Geoengineering and Chemtrails | Global Research

 

[Randall]

Dear UFOLOGY thank you for your kind words, I do feel that I should apologise because I started a thread back in 2010 in which I ridiculed "chemtrails", if I had realised then I would have taken a very different approach. In short I took an active role in damning people with legitimate concerns, which is something I do not respect: I often post on this forum talking about the harm that can be caused by misguided "belief" e.g. morgellons disease. And whether
my intentions were good or not, I was guilty of speaking when I did not understand the "basics".

I now understand the situation very differently, especially regarding the possibility of "geoengineering" chemicals being mixed with the actual fuel burnt in the engines of airlners.

I think this series of images speaks volumes:
BBC News - How aircraft contrails form cloud

Hey there Han, sorry about my late reply here. I tend to rely a lot on the little alerts in the menu bar to alert me to responses, but they only work when someone is quoted or an @ symbol is placed in from of their username. So I didn't notice you post until just now. Anyway, no need to apologize because so far as I'm concerned you were simply expressing your views at the time as you understood them and then when presented with a more complete picture, changed your views according to the evidence. In my view that is really refreshing and it demonstrates what a fine and balanced individual you are. It's a pleasure to have you participating in the forum .

 

[flipper]

Hey there Han, sorry about my late reply here. I tend to rely a lot on the little alerts in the menu bar to alert me to responses, but they only work when someone is quoted or an @ symbol is placed in from of their username. So I didn't notice you post until just now. Anyway, no need to apologize because so far as I'm concerned you were simply expressing your views at the time as you understood them and then when presented with a more complete picture, changed your views according to the evidence. In my view that is really refreshing and it demonstrates what a fine and balanced individual you are. It's a pleasure to have you participating in the forum .

I second this.

 

[flipper]

Cats at 13:00 and chemtrails at 30:52