May 10, 2015 — Red Pill Junkie with Richard Dolan

[red_pill_junkie]

No. I said he was "too trusting." You are the one calling him stupid.

Why wasn't he dissuaded by the fact that slide obviously looked as if it was taken inside a museum, instead of a hangar base, is something I can't answer. Perhaps --and again, this is my opinion-- he was too influenced by Carey and Schmitt's "will to believe" that the slides could fit into the Roswell narrative --even though he was the only one who was more skeptical about the slides being connected to Roswell.

IMO Carey and Schmitt were so obsessed about trying to make the case about the dating of the slides, and the possible connection between the Rays and the Eisenhowers, that they completely missed what was right in front of their faces all along: A cheap glass showcase and a body shown with a cardboard placard; hardly how the most valuable biological specimen in the whole world --if the body happened to have been of extraterrestrial origin-- would have been treated and preserved.

It's possible that in the future some psychology graduate could make an interesting thesis about this whole case, and how people can delude themselves so blatantly. Or maybe there was some element of deception involved, who knows. Already Bragalia is pointing the finger at Adam Dew, and I suspect the rest of the promoters will follow.

 

[Burnt State]

No. I said he was "too trusting." You are the one calling him stupid.

Why wasn't he dissuaded by the fact that slide obviously looked as if it was taken inside a museum, instead of a hangar base, is something I can't answer. Perhaps --and again, this is my opinion-- he was too influenced by Carey and Schmitt's "will to believe" that the slides could fit into the Roswell narrative --even though he was the only one who was more skeptical about the slides being connected to Roswell.

IMO Carey and Schmitt were so obsessed about trying to make the case about the dating of the slides, and the possible connection between the Rays and the Eisenhowers, that they completely missed what was right in front of their faces all along: A cheap glass showcase and a body shown with a cardboard placard; hardly how the most valuable biological specimen in the whole world --if the body happened to have been of extraterrestrial origin-- would have been treated and preserved.

It's possible that in the future some psychology graduate could make an interesting thesis about this whole case, and how people can delude themselves so blatantly. Or maybe there was some element of deception involved, who knows. Already Bragalia is pointing the finger at Adam Dew, and I suspect the rest of the promoters will follow.

To further your opinion do you think that there were significantly restricted versions of the images sent to Carey and Schmitt for them to base their conviction on as opposed to insisting on seeing the physical slides? There's a deep naiveté associated with this notion on their parts that doesn't make sense up against the multilateral conviction expressed by all involved including Dolan. I don't fully comprehend where all their confidence came from. Were they looking at something different aside from their own mirrors? I'm really not understanding the delusion and keep feeling like there's a missing piece, be it guilt, or otherwise.

All thus stuff now with Whitley and Linda is all just perverted. Lots of people still embarrassing themselves by forcing the buzz and a mystery where there is none outside of why these folk all bought into what was obviously shot in a museum of a mummy. It's rather weird. no?

 

[red_pill_junkie]

To further your opinion do you think that there were significantly restricted versions of the images sent to Carey and Schmitt for them to base their conviction on as opposed to insisting on seeing the physical slides? There's a deep naiveté associated with this notion on their parts that doesn't make sense up against the multilateral conviction expressed by all involved including Dolan. I don't fully comprehend where all their confidence came from. Were they looking at something different aside from their own mirrors? I'm really not understanding the delusion and keep feeling like there's a missing piece, be it guilt, or otherwise.

All thus stuff now with Whitley and Linda is all just perverted. Lots of people still embarrassing themselves by forcing the buzz and a mystery where there is none outside of why these folk all bought into what was obviously shot in a museum of a mummy. It's rather weird. no?

Bragalia is now blaming Dew of 'retouching' (or rather, 'detouching'?) the copies of the slides he sent to him, so who knows? That said, I've also listened to Schmitt explaining on C2C how taking the slides to the 'experts' who analyzed them employed a lot of time and resources because "you couldn't just FedEx them" --the implication being that he was somehow involved in acting as the carrier of the slides? <--- question mark

Yeah, I guess there's something still missing in this whole thing. Because let's be honest: Even with poor quality versions of the slides, someone at some point should have said "What's with the gorilla ahead behind the 'alien body'?"

And I agree that interview on Dreamland was a head-scratcher. On the one hand even Moulton Howe herself chastised Maussan for not sharing the slides with their peers in order to save themselves of the major embarrassment they're now suffering, while at the same time musing whether the secret government might actually go so far as placing an actual alien body inside a museum, just to mess with us?? I mean I don't even...

Hell, I could come up with a better conspiracy theory: Adam Dew is the next version of Richard Doty! It all makes sense, see?? He was the one who was to blame for the early 'leaking' of the slide with the Kodachrome trailer; he was also to blame for revealing Eleazar Benavides's identity in that same trailer; he was the one who has established how the slides were found; he was the one who may or may not have given good-enough versions of the placard for analysis; and finally, he was the one who allowed the RSRG to claim proper provenance by releasing the placard image in an attempt to 'prove' the skeptics were hoaxing the message.

I wouldn't be surprised if sooner or later we start to see the slide promoters backing up that kind of narrative

 

[red_pill_junkie]

PS: In case someone is wondering, my 'theory' was meant to be sarcastic [emoji14]

 

[SRL+]

It's rather weird. no?

It’s really not that weird, it’s called spin, as we are supposed to turn our attention away from the facts, and start focusing in on broad and sweeping conspiracy theories.

And so, on it goes…….

 

[Burnt State]

Good pick with The Carnival Souls, but like in that movie where our protagonist is walking around lost in the land of the dead because she doesn't quite understand what's going on until it's all suddenly made clear, are we to really believe that none of these folks got the picture the first time they saw these images? I mean were drugs involved? There's no spin to explain that kind of lack of diligence and forcing of the round hole into a square peg.

As documented they've been building up these images and teasing ideas for years; this has been the biggest anticlimactic UFO failed coitus ever seen and maybe I need to see a head on a platter to let it all go or something, but I think I would much rather hear someone explain why they stupidly would dare promote such images so confidently as the solution to the Roswell mystery along with the kodak experts, the "not a mummy" experts and the entire presidential fairy tale papier mache narrative that was constructed.

All i'm saying is that when you step back and look at it all it feels like a set of tin cans and some string used to create an advanced communication system - it's kid stuff. How did it get to this. More than an apology, an admission of stupidity I suppose is what i feel needs to be expressed or something little more reasonable that what we've heard so far.

 

[Wade]

And I agree that interview on Drspoked was a head-scratcher. On the one hand even Moulton Howe herself chastised Maussan for not sharing the slides with their peers in order to save themselves of the major embarrassment they're now suffering, while at the same time musing whether the secret government might actually go so far as placing an actual alien body inside a museum, just to mess with us?? I mean I don't even...

And this wasn't sarcastic? linda actually threw this out there?

Did linda also suggest that E.T. invented the Internet?

 

[DaveM]

This whole slide mess reminds me of the Cottingley fairies and Arthur Conan Doyle. In the 1920s, two young female cousins produced five photos showing fairies.

Conan Doyle, the creator of Sherlock Holmes, surprisingly was a true believer of spiritualism. He was all in on the photos being the real deal. Of course later they were found out to be merely cut-outs.

The man who created the detective guided by pure logic and reasoning was taken in by two young girls.

 

[DaveM]

And this wasn't sarcastic? linda actually threw this out there?

Did linda also suggest that E.T. invented the Internet?

I think E.T. and Al Gore will have to fight over who invented the Internet.

 

[Batmmannn]

@ Han.... DID I SAY EVERYONE SAW THE HI RES IMAGES BEFORE THE EVENT??????
I said Dolan saw them and went forward. Of course none of the rest of us saw them because they were intentionally blurred to suck in the witless and I actually believe they were altered to more resemble a little grey before blurring. Dolan was not blinded he was offered something that is OBVIOUS and his statement on Coast to Coast before the Mummy was identified but after the event, stated without doubt that he was SURE it would be a very long time before anyone would be able to identify what was in the slides. He was wrong but obviously gambled on that.

The Organizers cancelled the original date because they couldn't sell enough tickets, once Dolan was on board they sold over 7 thousand. I have already stated why I am pissed and concentrating on Dolan primarily, because I knew him was a friend that had supported him for years and trusted him to be honest and now he is also in my opinion no better than Rick Dyer and the rest of the Money chasing hoaxers out there defrauding the public for fame and money.

Obviously if you think the beWitness Scandal was not a preplanned scheme to make money at other people's expense then you are blind as well as stupid, in fact it would be very easy to convince a jury. I posted on a common friend's page in Facebook stating my objections which Dolan read and quickly unfriended me and blocked me after I spent years supporting him and knowing him personally before the event. Why would he do that if he was not in on a pre-planned scam? I questioned the money, the size of the event, stated that it is obviously a Mummy, and stated that Dolan should not attend for his best interests. After years of friendship I was immediately unfriended and blocked by Dolan. I was suddenly unable to state my opinion anywhere on his page.

I was also unfriended by Chase Kloetzke and blocked after doing FREE graphics for her radio show. You can believe what you want but actions speak louder than his weak words to date since the event. I am of the opinion that Dolan held out till he was offered something large that he was willing to risk his reputation on and he knew well it was a Mummy before he ever took the stage.

I've not seen nor heard of anything that could even scratch that opinion. Dolan now equals Hoax and no credibility to me and most others now nor would I want such a person that would do this to 7,000 or more people as a friend. Rick Dyer doesn't apologize nor offer refunds either. And I did not call Dolan stupid he is incredibly intelligent. Read the post again you are misquoting, but I will say his act of blocking me and unfriending me and not listening to my recommendation could have been stupid depending on what amount of money he took from those 7,000 plus people.

If Dolan came away with a large percentage of that money then he might have risked too much for it. If he came away with what he is publicly stating then he was indeed negligent in judgment to have attended the event and not heeded my warning.

Richard Dolan knows who I am how to reach me. I'm not some unknown person to him on these threads, but I am a very upset person that thought much more of him than what he has demonstrated. I had actually thought he was a good person. I was wrong in thinking that for so long. If he has apologized or called for refunds let me know but so far I have not heard he has and to me if he has not that in itself is deplorable as much as proof itself that he was in on the deception knowingly. I have seen to date from him no sign of remorse whatsoever for the people victimized.

 

[SRL+]

Good pick with The Carnival Souls, but like in that movie where our protagonist is walking around lost in the land of the dead because she doesn't quite understand what's going on until it's all suddenly made clear, are we to really believe that none of these folks got the picture the first time they saw these images? I mean were drugs involved? There's no spin to explain that kind of lack of diligence and forcing of the round hole into a square peg.

As documented they've been building up these images and teasing ideas for years; this has been the biggest anticlimactic UFO failed coitus ever seen and maybe I need to see a head on a platter to let it all go or something, but I think I would much rather hear someone explain why they stupidly would dare promote such images so confidently as the solution to the Roswell mystery along with the kodak experts, the "not a mummy" experts and the entire presidential fairy tale papier mache narrative that was constructed.

All i'm saying is that when you step back and look at it all it feels like a set of tin cans and some string used to create an advanced communication system - it's kid stuff. How did it get to this. More than an apology, an admission of stupidity I suppose is what i feel needs to be expressed or something little more reasonable that what we've heard so far.

As for my pet theory, some of the involved knew the origin of the corpse would never be discovered, in allowing for the creation of future Roswellian style publications. So, for them what difference would it make even if the corpse did resemble a mummy, as long as the Roswell meme was to continue?

Apology = liability, and for the rest that is unlikely to occur, as foreseeing claims of having been victims of any number of conspiracy theories. Linda and Whitley are cobbling together the platform for their vindication at this very moment, as demonstrated by the “Unknown Country” podcast.

Through Roswell Inc. there have been quite a number of writers/authors/film makers, who’ve been able to produce some type of income. As for me, Roswell has become something similar to Halloween, as we’re often being tricked and seldom treated well.

 

[Batmmannn]

I am also amazed at those of you that just accept that Dolan was only paid a plane ticket, accommodations and a usual stipend because he says so on Coast to Coast. He also said it couldn't have been a Mummy in those slides. Has he made even the slightest effort to prove those statements?

 

[Han]

@Batmmannn
I now understand more about why you are so annoyed, that is no way to treat your friends.

I am not sure who said this but it goes something like this: the man who stands up to his enemies is strong, but the man that stands up to his friends is stronger. What I am trying to say is that his lack of an answer to your warning, and the de-friending of you is highly suspect, why did he not just tell you to mind your own business? That is what I would do if a friend was trying to convince me not to, or to do something we disagreed on, because they are my friend they can either take it or leave it end of.

Having said all that, I personally have a hard time believing that he deliberately committed "career suicide" for a one time payment, I know very little about him, but I know that he is an established Roswell researcher, maybe he felt that he could not miss the opportunity of being part of the biggest story of the millennium, ego can be our worst enemy at times, but like I said I have never even spoken to the man. If you are anything to go by he has lost an awful amount of "future" sales of his work (books etc). There will also be doubt cast on his past work because of his misjudgement of the slides.

 

[Batmmannn]

Long as they have your support and donating time they are all good, but the minute you balk at the possibility that it's a movement for Money and not at all one for Disclosure it's block and unfriend. I think that makes all things very clear to me. Especially since I was trying to warn him in another friends thread which he clearly read and reacted to in all the wrong ways. The very clear act to silence me by Richard Dolan days before the Event speaks volumes. It tells me he was offered something valuable and didn't care about me or those 7,000 paying people in the least. As you said YES he is forever tied to the largest money sucking Hoax in UFO History.

 

[Batmmannn]

Here is a comment by another Paranormal Radio Host and I can't say I disagree with him at all. His show pretty much covers things.
Chip Plescher 4 days ago
+batmmannn interesting input, I have seen how people are treated by that crew once you stop drinking the kool-aid. Ego and arrogance are powerful drugs that could otherwise rational judgment. Thanks for listening and hit me up on FB Mind Cemetery

The Curious case of Richard Dolan and the Roswell Slides

 

[red_pill_junkie]

Adam Gorightly had an interesting suggestion on his blog Untamed Dimensions:

Of course it’s easy in retrospect to take pot shots at the Dream Team after it all went down in flames, but granted they made themselves easy targets by claiming that they’d done their “due diligence” in determining that—at the very least—there was something truly significant about these slides which, in the final analysis, proved to be a whole lot of nothing.

Apologies are all well and good, but in this instance they seem a rather hollow attempt to say: “Hey, we admit our mistake, but it’s now over and done and time to move on.” Apologies—in the minds of some—help bring closure and resolution and that “Yeah, well, we sorta screwed up, although we don’t really want to talk about that too much, except to say that we’re sorry and we’ll make sure it never happens again.”

Such apologies don’t cut it with some of the more vociferous members in the UFO research scene who—if they had their druthers—would prefer to see the Dream Teamers cut off at the legs and never allowed to attend any future UFO conferences or profit from anything related to UFOs and be forever blackballed from the hallowed halls of Ufology.

However, I have an alternative that would put a positive spin on this whole debacle and at the same time move Ufology a few steps forward—after the backward missteps it took that led to the beWITNESS train wreck.

As Don Schmitt is slated to speak at Contact in the Desert on the weekend of May 29-31—and both Carey and Schmitt at the Roswell Festival in July—these events would provide the perfect forum to discuss the “Lessons Learned” from the beWITNESS and Roswell Slides affair and allow the principals involved to explain how they arrived at the erroneous conclusion (or at least the working theory) that they actually had photographic evidence of a dead alien so that future UFO researchers can avoid the same pitfalls to which the Dream Team fell victim.

This would include an explanation of the Dream Team’s investigatory process—or lack thereof—and exactly what materials they provided to the experts who conducted the photo analysis and, in turn, what documentation these experts returned to the Dream Team that apparently confirmed, in their minds at least, that the little guy in the photo was an alien.
This type of transparency would instruct the UFO community on how these mistakes were made and greatly assist future Ufologists in adopting a more sound methodology to avoid future fiascos of this nature.​

 

[Batmmannn]

Nonsense, to allow these guys to run with the money is the equivalent of letting Bank Robbers go off saying we are sorry and buying homes in the Hamptons with stolen money. The only persons posting such nonsense as that above are those that wish to continue to suck hoaxed income out of the public with the UFO money movement. "Yes come pay to see these Hoaxers explain how they could have done things better" Seriously???? It's time to disarm these Hoaxers and no longer support them in any way.

 

[red_pill_junkie]

Yes, seriously. Because forcing them to explain their methodology of work in public during some kind of round table or Q&A, would probably prove to be far more embarrassing to them, than just continue with the attacks on internet forums and blogs.

See it as UFOlogy's internal affairs hearings

 

[Mulvaney]

Yes, seriously. Because forcing them to explain their methodology of work in public during some kind of round table or Q&A, would probably prove to be far more embarrassing to them, than just continue with the attacks on internet forums and blogs.

See it as UFOlogy's internal affairs hearings

At this point I have little interest in the methodology that they used - the mistakes are apparent and the need to conduct research in a different way has been discussed at length. An empty hall would be appropriate, but that is something I do not expect.

John Ventre of PA MUFON (and Hanger One "fame") is reported as saying that the audience for Schmitt at a post-slide event was not that concerned with the slides, although Don wanted to explain what happened. "His talk was good."

Dolan does not seem like he will be trying to clear the air at the Desert conference. I do not expect anything more from Carey or Schmitt at the next Roswell event. Until people want more than stories or conjecture based on speculation, I doubt if the slides debacle will have much of an impact.

 

[DaveM]

Contact in the Desert and the Roswell Festival will be attended by mostly true believers. I doubt very many pointed questions will be directed at the Slide group.