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Michael Horn & The Billy Meier Contacts

Do you believe the Billy Meier Contacts and Evidence Are Real?

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I am extremely curious about the fact that none of the Meier supporters who have visited this forum have made any effort at all to disprove David's analysis. They change the subject, they use personal attacks. But the core facts that David and others have brought out -- about faked photos -- remains a thorn in their side, one they cannot remove.
 
UFOMAN,
DB wrote...

"I do agree that it might not be the cutout I guessed it might be..."

You placed your almighty skills at investigative photographic sleuthing by proclaiming a UFO is a cutout...That is monumental in a legal case if you were up on the witness stand, the lawyers would of torn you apart. That is an obvious sign of your inability to always be absolutely correct. Your now seeing it differently....my my, how far we've come in so short a post...



DB wrote...

"Shawn,

In a murder case, when you have a gun with fingerprints, a credit card receipt for the gun purchase, a dead body and a confession, you don't need much of anything else. Even a jury is kinda redundant."

You have only one single item that is iffy at best. You can't use other people's results from the web when your not allowing MH to refer to his publish research he has at his side. So this 'murder case' example doesn't relate equally.

Where's your integrity?

Shawn King
 
Kingman said:
UFOMAN,
DB wrote...

"I do agree that it might not be the cutout I guessed it might be..."

You placed your almighty skills at investigative photographic sleuthing by proclaiming a UFO is a cutout...That is monumental in a legal case if you were up on the witness stand, the lawyers would of torn you apart. That is an obvious sign of your inability to always be absolutely correct. Your now seeing it differently....my my, how far we've come in so short a post...



DB wrote...

"Shawn,

In a murder case, when you have a gun with fingerprints, a credit card receipt for the gun purchase, a dead body and a confession, you don't need much of anything else. Even a jury is kinda redundant."

You have only one single item that is iffy at best. You can't use other people's results from the web when your not allowing MH to refer to his publish research he has at his side. So this 'murder case' example doesn't relate equally.

Where's your integrity?

Shawn King
Here we go again: If you have information to disprove David's results, kindly provide the details. No more excuses!
 
Gene wrote,
" I am extremely curious about the fact that none of the Meier supporters who have visited this forum have made any effort at all to disprove David's analysis. They change the subject, they use personal attacks. But the core facts that David and others have brought out -- about faked photos -- remains a thorn in their side, one they cannot remove."

HaHaHaHa....excuse me for laughing Gene. I've made a point to say the DB had found a sliver of proof for his claim. I've never doubted his findings, or used any personel attacks, just discussed his conclusion based on that micro iffy piece of evidence no lawyer would concede to say ' we got him now!'. It's not enough and that's all he 's got. Heck he even choked on his 'cardboard cut" declaration.

I've got to attend business, please continue as you will.

Have a nice day!

Shawn King
 
Gene,

one last time....DB found a clue....one not so solid clue that tells nothing of the theory he concludes with.
Don't make yourself think, just repeat the same ol' thing. That way you won't make your tummy hurt tonight when you tuck yourself in to beddy-bye. How warm and fuzzy we like to feel in our controlled response world we live in.

Shawn King
 
Kingman said:
Gene wrote,
" I am extremely curious about the fact that none of the Meier supporters who have visited this forum have made any effort at all to disprove David's analysis. They change the subject, they use personal attacks. But the core facts that David and others have brought out -- about faked photos -- remains a thorn in their side, one they cannot remove."

HaHaHaHa....excuse me for laughing Gene. I've made a point to say the DB had found a sliver of proof for his claim. I've never doubted his findings, or used any personel attacks, just discussed his conclusion based on that micro iffy piece of evidence no lawyer would concede to say ' we got him now!'. It's not enough and that's all he 's got. Heck he even choked on his 'cardboard cut" declaration.

I've got to attend business, please continue as you will.

Have a nice day!

Shawn King
Actually it's not "micro iffy," as you claim, but a slam-dunk! If you have specifics to show that David's detailed analysis and the many images he provided here do not reflect facts, kindly post them. Labels do not constitute proof.

In addition, some of our other visitors have posted links to other sites where some of Meier's photos have been dissected. I think you can stop hiding and try to face the facts.
 
Just a quick one, since I have a life outside of this forum and we've all had a lot of input. I'll point out a few indisputables just for the record, and let DB spin it any way he wants.

1. DB wrong on cut-out (some expert, he stated is as FACT!)
2. DB refused to look at film he asked for (some integrity!)
3. DB wrong on sound recordings
4. DB wrong on Meier being "cunning liar", cult leader (when did he interview Meier?)
5. DB wrong on people there being "unscrupulous" (when did he meet them?)
6. DB wrong on double exposure - it's a triple (how'd I get that right and not DB?)
7. DB won't post other photo that's not (apparent) double exposure (what's he afraid of?)
8. DB wrong about Ritzmann duplicating Meier photos -didn't submit to same (any!) tests
9. DB wrong that I'm the experts I referred to, thanks anyway for the credit
10. DB wrong about there being a Meier cult, religion
11. DB INCOMPETENT to DUPLICATE claimed hoax
12. Meier's 35 mm camera had, according to expert at ICON, a button to release sprocket
13. Meier didn't BUY many cameras, he handled them in shop to determine most useful ONE for him to handle with one hand
14. NO ONE to date has duplicated even ONE Of Meier's photos, films, viideo, sounds
15. The parameters that Meier's photos (and sounds) were submitted to, and which authenticated them, are freely available
16. Attempts to discredit witnesses in the case are nothing more than ad hominum attacks against people not known to DB/GS but who were known to, and in some cases tested by, the investigators
17. Ad hominum attacks against the investigators do not constitute anything but jealous irrelevancies
18. By the standards it establishes itself, there is NO other true (and still ongoing) UFO contact case (when we leave this forum, that will again become apparent)
19. DB/GS comments about evidence and proof, trials, etc. are simply inaccurate, as Kingman says, DB has already blown his status as an expert (see above, cut-out, etc.)
20. And there has been no refutation of my specific comments regarding the repitition of the house image in the photo in question - and the fact that the object appears to have been photographed against it, not against a black background

I should add that we have enough TV shows, like CSI, and various lawyer shows, to remind us that theories alone do NOT suffice. Guns are tested - physically - juries are often taken to the scene of the cime, reconstructions help to PROVE or DISPROVE theories.

How's about when OJ's gloves wouldn't fit?

Just like that actual, physical demonstration to support a theory FAILED, it is virtually assured that the reason DB won't do this simple little "hoax" perperated by a one-armed man who already had hundreds of irreproducible photos and films to his credit, is because he KNOWS that he CAN'T do it...and that the "jury" here would have to acquit. Our own version of the Johnny Cochran chant might go something like:

If he can't duplicate the photo, it shows that he's a bozo.

SInce DB refuses to post the other photo, an email to me will get it sent to you, whatever side you're on, as you deserve to see it and think about the whole matter...if you wish.

Lastly, as Kingman and others pointed out, DB has shown himself to be a one-trick pony who, when he claimed he could perform other tricks, failed (see above) which, ACCORDING TO HIS OWN LOGIC, MEANS THAT HIS WHOLE CASE IS FALSE. To be clear, if one of his claims is wrong, they're all wrong, according to the standards he has set here. I personally am a bit more charitable and reasonable, even with my opponents, since I know that honest people make mistakes...and so do people like DB. But hey, what's good enough for one is good enough for the other, okay.

While the barrage of attacks will probably continue, I think that I'll add one more personal note, as I didn't list everything in my bio (glad so many peole have checked it out and my music too). In addition to what is listed, I was also granted a California State Teaching credential, based on life experience, taught at the Beverly Hills Adult School, and also had Workeman's Compensation (CA) send me to work with clients, in-home, to help rehabilitate them...and I have no medical degree. I not only can teach, I can do, thank you.

It's only fitting that I also post a lyric from one of my favorite songwriter's as a parting contribution:

I'll Be My Own Hero

I was looking for somebody to believe in
someone who'd save the day when things went wrong
someone who'd live and die for
all the things I only cry for
someone who'd change my life
change it with a song

I was looking for someone with all the answers
someone who'd show me how to play the game
and be stronger than the sadness
all the anger and the madness
how long can I hide
the one I'm trying to find

I'll be my own hero I'll make my own magic
I'll change the endings that used to be tragic
I'll be all that I am without armor or mask
I'll be my own hero my own hero at last

Now I don't need someone to come and save me
to show me how my life's supposed to be
cause I keep on taking chances
finding my own answers
love's the only savior
I will ever need

I'll be my own hero I'll make my own magic
I'll change the endings that used to be tragic
And all through my life I'll let love lead me on
I'll be my own hero I'll sing my own song

All the best,

MH
 
Kingman said:
Gene,

one last time....DB found a clue....one not so solid clue that tells nothing of the theory he concludes with.
Don't make yourself think, just repeat the same ol' thing. That way you won't make your tummy hurt tonight when you tuck yourself in to beddy-bye. How warm and fuzzy we like to feel in our controlled response world we live in.

Shawn King

Beddy-bye?

I don't know about a "controlled-response world", I personally live in a entropic, dynamic, holographic projection of a galactic creature named Bob. He is the Creation, the source of all corn syrup and melted cheese. He is the founder of the Church of the SubGenius?. Did I mention that his name is...

Bob?

This, dear friends, is what happens when I choke on cardboard UFOs.

I gotta find the ones made of sweet queso, the ones that look real.

On preview - Oh No, it lives. Hide the children, Shawn. Sadly, I'm familiar with the music behind those lyrics, and..

It burns! My ears, my eyes, it burns!

dB
 
Gene,

I seem to see the words "parting contributions" in my field of vision.

I will pray to Bob that this is The Truth™.

My old friend Paul Mavrides, he has this saying that I cherish:

Without Lies There Can Be No Truth.

More sublime words were never uttered by human nor alien.

dB
 
P.S. Silly me, I did forget to point out to whoever said it, that some of Meier's prophetically accurate info is not only in those UNALTERABLE documents but also in copyrighted published books (LEGAL PROOF) before the events occurred, and such things as the Islamic riots in Paris, first published by Meier in 1981 and 1987, were also pre-announced in my own DVD (Dave, please keep those negative promos going, it's helping sales). The riots occurred in October-November 2005...they were already pre-announced on that spectacular little DVD of mine, which was released in, ta-da, March of 2004, 1 1/2 years BEFORE they occurred. (BTW, my DVD is sooooo bad that's it's gonna be in all the Blockbusters and available through NetFlix.)

And Dave, really, no sooner do I attempt to leave the room but you're back with your already DISCREDITED cardboard cut-out claims again! You're a very naughty little fella and if you keep that up you're gonna end up looking like a middle-aged version of the Pillsbury Dough Boy, that's what telllin' tall tales will do to ya, honest.

Be good now...
 
Michael Horn's Double Exposure

I've decided not to quote any of Horn's extensive postings, because they fail to address the real issues.

Let me repeat this for Horn's attention one more time, however: You don't know what a multiple exposure is or how it is done.

As mrufo stated, the camera used by Meier for the particular photo being debated was designed not to allow accidental double exposure. Can we make this any clearer?

David's analysis pointed out why it isn't a multiple exposure. Maybe if you bothered to read his analysis, or listen to the one he gave on the July 11th show, you might learn something about this.

But clearly you have a different agenda.
 
I Love Definitions

CULT

1. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.

2. The followers of such a religion or sect.
2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease or harboring a particular aspect of truth of the human condition.

- Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
- The object of such devotion.
- An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually fanatical interest.
 
I Absolutely Adore Wikipedia

Psychological projection

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defence mechanism in which one attributes ("projects") to others, one’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions. Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted subconscious impulses/desires without letting the ego recognize them. The theory was developed by Sigmund Freud and further refined by his daughter Anna Freud.

According to the theories of Sigmund Freud, it is a psychological defense mechanism whereby one "projects" one's own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, feelings—basically parts of oneself—onto someone else (usually another person, but psychological projection onto animals, inanimate objects - even religious constructs - also occurs). The principle of projection is well-established in psychology.

To understand the process, imagine an individual (Alice, for example) who feels dislike for another person (let's say Bob), but whose unconscious mind will not allow her to become aware of this negative emotion. Instead of admitting to herself that she feels dislike for Bob, she projects her dislike onto Bob, so that her conscious thought is not "I don't like Bob," but "Bob doesn't like me." In this way one can see that projection is related to denial, the only defense mechanism that some argue is more primitive than projection. Alice has denied a part of herself that is desperate to come to the surface. She can't flatly admit that she doesn't like Bob, so instead she will project the dislike, thinking Bob doesn't like her. Another, and an ironic, example is if Alice were to say, "Bob seems to project his feelings onto me."

Peter Gay describes it as "the operation of expelling feelings or wishes the individual finds wholly unacceptable—too shameful, too obscene, too dangerous—by attributing them to another." (Freud: A Life for Our Time, page 281)

The concept was anticipated by Friedrich Nietzsche:

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
— Beyond Good and Evil

The philosopher Ludwig Feuerbach based his theory of religion in large part upon the idea of projection, i.e., the idea that an anthropomorphic deity is the outward projection of man's anxieties and desires.

Psychological projection is the subject of Robert Bly's book A Little Book on the Human Shadow. The "Shadow"—a term used in Jungian psychology to describe a variety of psychological projection—refers to the projected material.

<b>Contents</b>

* 1 Counter-projection
* 2 Common definitions
* 3 In psychopathology
* 4 See also

Counter-projection

When addressing psychological trauma the defense mechanism is sometimes counter projection, including an obsession to continue and remain in a recurring trauma-causing situation and the compulsive obsession with the perceived perpetrator of the trauma or its projection.

Jung writes that "All projections provoke counter-projection when the object is unconscious of the quality projected upon it by the subject."


Common definitions


* "Projection is the opposite defence mechanism to identification. We project our own unpleasant feelings onto someone else and blame them for having thoughts that we really have."

* "A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his own impulses and traits."

* "Attributing one's own undesirable traits to other people or agencies, e.g. a man who has promiscuous impulses attributes those impulses to others."

* "The individual perceives in others the motive he denies having himself. Thus the cheat is sure that everyone else is dishonest."

* "A man harboring attractions for a woman would perceive other men has having the same attractions for her."

* "People attribute their own undesirable traits onto others. An individual who unconsciously harbours his or her aggressive/sexual tendencies may then imagine other people acting in an excessively aggressive or sexual way."

* "An individual who possesses malicious characteristics, but who is unwilling to perceive himself as an antagonist, convinces himself that his opponent feels and would act the same way."

In psychopathology

Projection is an especially commonly used defense mechanism in people with certain personality disorders:

* Paranoid personality disorder
* Narcissistic personality disorder
* Antisocial personality disorder
* Psychopathy



See also

* defense mechanism
* introjection
* transference
* scapegoat
* projective identification
* Psychoanalytic theory

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection"

Category: Freudian psychology
 
Wow, I'm rather inspired by Horn... ;)


I Found My Own Hero

I was looking for a prophet to believe in
Someone who'd save the day when things went wrong
Someone I'd live and die for
All the things I only cry for
At the cost of all reson and logic and more
Someone who'd change my life
Change it with a dance and a song

I found someone with all the answers
And I learned how to play the game
Change the subject, don't answer direct questions
And feed them more of the same while calling them names
Be evasive about outside analysis
And focus all my anger and madness
Sell how Billy is here for our protection
I'll use all my power of projection
To take the faithful for a ride
Photo replication I pretend not to find

Billy Meier is my hero, ufo model magic
I'll spin the findings of fraud that could be tragic
You'll see what I'm really about when I take off my mask
And if you ask the prophet I found my own hero at last

Now I found someone to come and save me
I'll dance and wave my hands pursuading you
And telling you what proof is supposed to be
My hero Billy and that alien Semjase
Only forty-five dollars for my DVD
Cause I keep on taking chances
Regurgitating others' answers
Hoping no one sees through me
Billy Meier's the only savior
I will ever need
Cha-ching

Billy Meier is my hero, and he ought to be yours too
Paypal donations, Visa, mastercard, or money orders will do
And I'll continue to lead you on
Maybe you'll also buy a CD of my songs
I don't care what those other experts wrote
It isn't in the Contact Notes

Billy Meier is my hero, ufo model magic
I'll denounce all fraud analysis that could be tragic
Pleiadian garbage can lid
Carpet tacks not very well hid
And all through my life I'll lead you on
Billy Meier is my hero and I'll throw reason out the window
And make an ass out of myself to try and prove you wrong
Please buy a CD of my songs
And if Billy Meier to you I cannot sell
You'll burn with the rest of the ignorant, loser, wanna' be infidels
 
this is taken from
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Henoch Prophecies.html

regarding the Henoch Prophecies told to Billy by alien Quetzal

Billy: Semjase and Ptaah already explained this to me. But tell us now what the new millennium will bring to human beings of Earth and the planet Earth according to the prophecies of Henoch.

Quetzal: I will do that in a moment, but I would like to explain before beginning that I am not authorised to give exact indication of years in an official manner.
After the turn of the millennium, the papacy will exist only a short period. Pope John Paul II is the third from last in this position. After him, only one additional pontificate will follow. Then a Pontifex Maximus follows who will be known as Petrus Romanus. Under his religious rule, the end of the Catholic Church will come, a total collapse becoming inevitable. That will be the beginning of the worst catastrophe that will ever have befallen the human beings and the Earth. Many Catholic clerics, priests, bishops, cardinals and many others will be killed and their blood will flow in streams. But also the reformed version of Christianity will become just as infinitely small, as does Catholicism.
 
Also from Wikipedia...just so you know...before Benedict XVI meets with an untimely demise and the Plejarians/Michael take credit...

"The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, is a list of 112 short phrases in Latin. They purport to describe each of the Roman Catholic popes (along with a few anti-popes), beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and concluding with a later added pope described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", whose pontificate will end in the destruction of the city of Rome and the Last Judgement."
 
Horn, you keep on banging on about David not posting this other picture. Well why don't you bloody well post it yourself if it's such a great piece of evidence. Such a so-called intelligent man should be able to do this tiny task. Or are you incapable of doing so because you also only have one arm?
 
OMG

MRUFO: That made me laugh so hard I snarfed. Brilliant!

ALEA: You are a Fountain of Cool?. So it looks like the Christians are toast, good thing I'm technically Jewish. Or Blueish. Or something like that.
 
The truth will set you FREE

(Dave, please keep those negative promos going, it's helping sales)

Horn reveals his true agenda, <b>cold cash</b>.


you're gonna end up looking like a middle-aged version of the Pillsbury Dough Boy

Horn reveals his true character, <b>petulant asshole</b>.

Yeah, childish, but so true. I'll try to be good. Really. A cute alien told me to do it.

dB
 
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